Let's fire Trump

I use her as a cautionary example for my own occasional behavior.

I sometimes allow my shallow knowledge to fool myself into thinking I am expert in some things I'm much more an enthusiast about than knowing.

She's turned it into a career. I understand it's a short coming and I try to better inform myself or just tell myself to STFU.

Like I said meaningless anecdote. Roe vs Wade is not the law of the land in South Korea. Secondly standing by itself as a context free nugget it doesn't mention Korean culture regarding abortion. Or do you think that abortion in Korea is part of the "the White Man's Burden"?

Look it up if you want to learn something.

Cold joint treats history and current affairs as nothing but piles of trivia.

I think that there is a culture of abortion that has emerged and evolved in the wake of birth control and abortion-law developments of the 20th century.

I think the culture has spread in numerous ways and that it's not something that is indigenous to any single country/ethnicity.

Bingo. A little context turns an anecdote into real commentary. Unfortunately is doesn't add a thing for cj's argument either way.

The fact remains a living human being was drowned. Now go play Bingo.

Why do you think infanticide and abortion are separate cultures?

It all comes down to whether the burden of birth-control involves abstaining from intercourse or doing something with the fetus/baby after conception happens.

That may well be your thought but it flies in the face of history. In fact in Asia as well as the European west abortion might be argued to be more humane than smothering newborns or leaving them exposed in remote areas.

Want to read something that might better inform your thought and this only scratches the surface - this happened in some form all over Europe and also the US and Canada in some form. Remember: children and women until recently were legally property and are still treated as such outside of the law.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdalene_Laundries_in_Ireland

Have you ever heard of "the sexual revolution?" There is a culture of liberal sexuality that rejects abstinence and normalizes sexual indulgence. It all basically followed from the development of the pill and legalized abortion. It has spread globally in many ways, along with other aspects of culture.

And yet, you only accuse Democrats...

Hmmm.

I don't think we really know enough about the Republican party because the media tends to spin coverage in a way that demonizes them.

I know that when I was a Democrat, I really believed what other Democrats were saying about Fox News and racism, etc. but when I started reading Ayn Rand, a Republican hero, on racism, her analysis was spot-on and I realized that the reason Democrats hate her so much is because she frames racism as a problem of collectivism, and the Democrats are fundamentally collectivist-oriented, which is why they don't frame racism as a problem at the individual level but rather as a problem of inequality between groups at the group level.

Then when you go an analyze what the group/collectivist level analysis and social-justice approach amounts to in terms of treating individuals differently according to their group identity/classification, it amounts to disrimination at the individual level in the name of collectivist social justice, but then they ignore that there are criminals and morally decent people associated with every racial category; and when Republicans say anything about people in lower income areas benefiting from crime abatement, the Democrat response is that they are being racist by stereotyping minorities as criminals.

So, maybe one day the Democrats will stop spinning everything the Republicans say and do to make them look as negative as possible in an effort to garner as many votes as possible; and at that point, it will become possible to actually look critically at Republicanism, but it's just not even possible to actually know what to criticize yet, because the media spins everything about the Republicans in terms of the Democrat paradigmatic assumptions, such collectivism/group-justice, government spending as a default economic foundation, etc.

What we should really do is go back and start just having basic discussions about how the different parties view things, etc. where both parties can agree on how their perspectives are described. I was hoping that Bernie Sanders would get the nomination because I think "Democratic Socialism" is a very up-front way of discussing socialist governmental values in the context of a democratic republic, but obviously the Democratic Party wanted him out because they were afraid that talking about 'socialism' explicitly would cost them votes, so they just prefer to use softer terminology like, "leveling the playing field," or "requiring people to pay their fair share," while avoiding talking about the bigger picture of how to have society/economy with different levels of government spending and how things would differ.

Basically the problem with both parties is that they have to paint the most negative vision of what would happen if the other party gets their way in order to scare people out of voting for the other party.

What we should all do is just have good discussions about different possible outcomes that could happen under a broad spectrum of possible governmental approaches and policies.

Seriously. You believe that sexuality is a product of the sixties and birth control.

There were no brothels? No illegitimate births, no Frances Crittenden Homes, no baby farming in the US and Great Britain, no erotic art from classical Greece or Rome? Have you ever seen the erotic graffiti from Pompei or Pharonic Egypt?

I'd argue that birth control lowered the rate of abortion and poverty and infanticide and child abuse.

livinglava wrote to: snood
The Democrats have to reach a point where they accept the need to work with other parties and people they don't see eye to eye with.


Sturgis wrote to: livinglava
Oh, you mean the way Grim Reaper McConnell did during most of the years when Obama was President?
The Democrats have been much more on board with working together than the majority of knuckleheaded Republicans have ever been!

1. The point you made to livinglava is absolutely correct.

2. We all know that livinglava is a total and complete hypocrite.

Then why did Obamacare pass without one Republican vote?

Because Republicans are ignorant and don't care about American lives.

livinglava wrote to: MontereyJack
I've been watching the politics for years and how the Democrats twist and pervert everything to shift blame to the GOP. Believe me I am not a person who shies from constructive discussion but after seeing how the Democrats put together packages of ideas and policies that are designed to defy constructive discussion and compromise before they even are on the table, I have come to understand why what seems to be obstructionist behavior on the part of the GOP is really just them refusing to play into the manipulation games of the Democrats.



Real Music wrote to: livinglava
1. I seem to remember immediately after Obama was elected president, the GOP Senate leader Mitch McConnell stating that his number one priority was making sure president Obama’s a one-term president.

2. I also seem to remember the Tea Party House republicans voting over 50 separate times to repeal Obamacare. It might have been 60 times.

3. Let's not forget about our current despicable president, Donald Trump. Donald Trump is going out of his way to undo or eliminate anything that has Obama's name on it. Purely out of spite.




https://able2know.org/topic/491227-1

At the time a majority of Americans did not want Obamacare. That showed Democrats did not care what the citizen thinks. And it has gone downhill since then. They are now the party of illegal aliens.

As usual, another false claim.

"Many of the ACA’s provisions continue to be quite popular, even across party lines. A majority of the public – regardless of party identification – hold favorable views of almost all of the ACA’s major provisions. Most popular are allowing young people to stay on their parents’ insurance plans until age 26, establishment of the ACA marketplaces, financial help for some Americans who buy their own insurance, closing the Medicare “doughnut hole,” and eliminating out-of-pocket costs for preventive care."

https://www.kff.org/health-reform/poll-finding/6-charts-about-public-opinion-on-the-affordable-care-act/

For the good of the country and the world, let us all hope and pray
that Trump gets voted out of office.

As usual a comprehension problem on your part. I am speaking of approval numbers when passed. The majority of Americans disapproved.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html#!
There are the numbers.