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Further Discussion About Covid-19 and the Covid-19 Crisis 2020

 
 
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Sun 17 May, 2020 05:20 pm
@Sturgis,
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ask how would Ezra Pound have handled it.


He'd have handled it in twenty or thirty Cantos.
izzythepush
 
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Sun 17 May, 2020 05:31 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
In for a penny.
maxdancona
 
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Sun 17 May, 2020 08:01 pm
@JGoldman10,
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Did anyone actually prepare for the crisis ahead of time? Did people actually know Covid-19 was going to break out like it did back in February?


1. Yes, Obama prepared for an epidemic. He left a written plan that specifically mentioned the threat of a corona virus.

2. People where talking about the risk back in January. What actually happened was the worst case scenario, but yes... people were absolutely saying that something like this could happen and that we should prepare for it.
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Sun 17 May, 2020 08:24 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
In for a penny.


And peeled of a pound.
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coldjoint
 
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Sun 17 May, 2020 08:26 pm
@maxdancona,
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He left a written plan that specifically mentioned the threat of a corona virus.

That has been used for toilet paper. He did not replenish the supplies he used.
maxdancona
 
  1  
Sun 17 May, 2020 08:39 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Quote:
He left a written plan that specifically mentioned the threat of a corona virus.

That has been used for toilet paper. He did not replenish the supplies he used.


I hope that idiot president of yours took better care of the nuclear codes.
coldjoint
 
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Sun 17 May, 2020 08:50 pm
From across the pond.
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This is not a natural disaster, but a manmade one

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Should our future permit an occupation so frivolous, historians years from now will make a big mistake if they blame the nauseating plummet of global GDP in 2020 directly on a novel coronavirus. After all — forgive the repetition, but certain figures bear revisiting — Covid’s roughly 290,000 deaths wouldn’t raise a blip on a graph of worldwide mortality (reminder: 58 million global deaths in 2019). Covid deaths will barely register in the big picture even if their total multiplies by several times.

For maintaining a precious sense of proportion, check out some other annual global fatalities: influenza, up to 650,000. Typhoid fever, up to 160,000. Cholera, up to 140,000. Malaria, 620,000 in 2017, almost all in Africa (so who cares, right?). In 2018, tuberculosis, developing treacherous antibiotic resistance, killed 1.5 million people. Why haven’t we closed down the whole world for TB?

What is destroying lives and livelihoods is not predominantly the illness. The UK economy is not in a tailspin because it can’t survive without the labour of the 32,000-plus fatalities, however much we may miss them as individuals. This is not a natural disaster but a manmade one.

I’ll not bore you with the data (that’s what Toby Young is for), but evidence abounds that lockdowns have had a negligible effect on the arc of national infections. (In a recent sampling, the majority of Covid patients admitted to New York hospitals were sickened while ‘sheltering in place’. A growing number of New York doctors want restrictions lifted.) Thus Boris’s new motto importuning us to ‘control the virus’ seems especially ludicrous, given that this infection, if we’re to indulge in ever--popular anthropomorphising, clearly has a mind of its own.

Politics, as opposed to science, does not reward the correction of mistakes, given that correcting a mistake also entails admitting to having made one. Worse, the bigger the mistake, the greater the political urgency of defending it at all costs. Boris and co are therefore obliged to keep justifying the lockdown, which means continuing to exaggerate the contagion’s risk to life. (Case in point: in Sunday’s address to the nation, the PM reiterated Professor Pantsdown’s forecast of 500,000 fatalities, although that modelling has been much discredited. In obeisance to this official Blitzy version of events, the British public is now doomed to act out an elaborate theatre of medical paranoia, because to relax social distancing is also to suggest that maybe much social distancing was dumb to begin with.

I am steeped in dread. I foresee months, if not years, of inane gesturing towards ‘safety’ that makes no appreciable difference to the nation’s health, but does manage to 1) ruin everyone’s enjoyment; 2) perpetuate the socially poisonous notion that one’s neighbour is a threat to one’s very life; 3) maintain an atmosphere of the extraordinary, in which the state may violate civil rights at will; 4) lay waste to what little might otherwise have remained of this country’s economy. The lockdown has been bad enough. Post-lockdown could be worse.

Is there any real science behind this two-metre rule? Or is it an arbitrary convention we’re now stuck with? Recent research suggests that Covid is surprisingly nosocomial (what a wonderful word): spread in the healthcare settings of care homes and hospitals. We’ve also learned that most infections result from the close-up, sustained exposure that we never get with strangers in supermarkets. Yet the two-metre rule that’s consigned us to half-mile queues for Tesco will soon make everywhere else unbearable, too.

With narrow profit margins, restaurants can’t survive serving a fraction of their previous clientele. Half of all UK pubs are already kaput, and the other half will soon go under if lone customers self-isolate over their drinks like sullen alcoholics. Plenty of manufacturing won’t function with employees so far apart. The arts are finished. West End theatres with audiences a third their former size will close. The Albert Hall is also looking at social-distancing bankruptcy, as well as considering the banning of intervals because the loos will have to be shut (sounds relaxing). The Royal Opera House’s streaming of Swan Lake without a live audience makes no money.

Oh, and transport! In London, social distancing is expected to reduce Tube passenger numbers by 90 per cent. Five million people daily ride the Tube, or used to, so how are the other 4.5 million meant to get around? By bicycle. Right. Now, I can assure you that pre-Covid it was already a nightmare to cycle in the capital, as chocka with two-wheelers as the old Shanghai. But forget buses, allowed to carry 15 per cent of their previous ridership. We’re told that to get into a sparsely populated lift, we may have to make a reservation on an app. But never fear. I guess we could always throw ourselves off the balcony instead. Why, with the masky, glovey, get-away-from-me future we’re all facing, taking that shortest route to the pavement starts to appeal.

Worst of all, lest some sector somewhere still struggles back to solvency, we’ll now order air passengers from abroad to ‘quarantine’ for a solid fortnight straight off the plane. Because passengers can promise to quarantine themselves in a particular location, this policy comes with obvious enforcement problems. Quarantines will either be roundly ignored (so what’s the point?), or they’ll require extravagant police resources to keep rapping on doors to ensure some visiting Canadian didn’t nip out for a litre of milk. What this policy is guaranteed to achieve is the total devastation of both the British tourist industry and British airlines, especially since the business travel on which aviation depends will evaporate.

I predict that few of the tedious, costly, time-consuming measures about to be levied on the British public in the coming months will be based on science. We’ll be obliged to make loud gestures of showy compliance, most of which will make no difference to who sickens and who dies, but which will nevertheless irretrievably deep-six this country’s economy and make our daily lives an unremitting misery.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/this-is-not-a-natural-disaster-but-a-manmade-one
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livinglava
 
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Mon 18 May, 2020 08:30 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

coldjoint wrote:

Quote:
He left a written plan that specifically mentioned the threat of a corona virus.

That has been used for toilet paper. He did not replenish the supplies he used.


I hope that idiot president of yours took better care of the nuclear codes.

Nothing that is super-critical in government is left to people whose job is temporary.

No one relied on Obama to transfer secret nuclear codes to Trump and now Trump changed them and holds them exclusively. There is a whole elaborate plan for who backs up whom and what to do to trigger a retaliatory launch strike in the case an attack is going on and there is chaos, including widespread assassinations of top officials.

The nuclear 'codes' is something that has to basically go off as a default retaliation in case some enemy forces attempt to cripple the government so badly that it can't pull the trigger. Do you remember when they were assassinating that ISIS boss (can't remember his name now) a couple years ago and he was wearing a suicide vest so he could blow himself up in the event of a surprise attempt to capture him?

That is basically what a nuclear deterrent system is: a massive system for retaliatory destruction that occurs automatically in the event some enemy tries to attack with enough force to disable the nuclear response.
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coldjoint
 
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Mon 18 May, 2020 02:49 pm
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Horowitz: We have been lied to: 6 facts that change everything we know about SARS-CoV-2

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1) The shocking inflation of COVID-19 death numbers:
2) States with longer lockdowns had worse results:
3) Outside nursing homes, the fatality rate never warranted such action, even if it would work:
4) Outside New York, this is barely worse than bad flu seasons:
5) Excess deaths are from the lockdowns, not the virus:
6) Social distancing was invented by a high-school kid and politicians, not scientists:

All explained at link. That last one should make everyone feel stupid. But the fearmongers are willfully ignorant and deceitful.
https://www.conservativereview.com/news/horowitz-lied-6-facts-change-everything-know-sars-cov-2/
RABEL222
 
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Mon 18 May, 2020 03:08 pm
@coldjoint,
Your right cj. Covid was something made up by Biden to make Trump look bad. Now let us discuss that bridge in Brooklyn again. Ill agree to the 50 bucks you offered me.
coldjoint
 
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Mon 18 May, 2020 03:18 pm
@RABEL222,
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Covid was something made up by Biden to make Trump look bad

If you disagree with those facts, I just do not care. Nice to hear from you.
revelette3
 
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Tue 19 May, 2020 09:08 am
@coldjoint,
Why are you here where clearly (thank God) only a few think as you do? Why spend so much time here only to get loads of downvotes? Do you get paid to push Trump propaganda by the hour?
revelette3
 
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Tue 19 May, 2020 09:12 am
On a lighter note, I had a bad night last night, didn't sleep a wink, looked in the mirror and realized I had COVID-19 silver at the top of my head. Anyone else?

I think I'll embrace it and color it all silver when this is over, or perhaps before if I get too impatient and order a box job and save myself a $100 dollars or more.
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livinglava
 
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Tue 19 May, 2020 09:31 am
@revelette3,
revelette3 wrote:

Why are you here where clearly (thank God) only a few think as you do? Why spend so much time here only to get loads of downvotes? Do you get paid to push Trump propaganda by the hour?

Why preach to the choir among people who will agree with you regardless because they are on your team?
bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 19 May, 2020 09:50 am
@livinglava,
Is that why you don't post on Fox comments, Trumps twitter feed, Breitbart, the Cave, Freeper, 4Chan?
livinglava
 
  -2  
Tue 19 May, 2020 10:09 am
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Is that why you don't post on Fox comments, Trumps twitter feed, Breitbart, the Cave, Freeper, 4Chan?

Have you ever heard of Satan being referred to as 'the accuser?' I don't exactly understand the term, but I think it has something to do with using accusation to provoke defensiveness, hostility, and conflict.

If you have a critique, why don't you just explain your POV?

If you have some insight to share generally, why don't you just explain it?
JGoldman10
 
  0  
Tue 19 May, 2020 10:22 am
@maxdancona,
How did Obama know Covid-19 was going to be a potential threat?
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Tue 19 May, 2020 10:25 am
@JGoldman10,
How did his parents know to announce his birth in Hawaii just so he cold run for President?

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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Tue 19 May, 2020 10:32 am
@JGoldman10,
He didn't. Max was throwing shade by implying it:


https://www.webmd.com/lung/coronavirus-strains#1
How Many Coronaviruses Are There?

Coronaviruses didn’t just pop up recently. They’re a large family of viruses that have been around for a long time. Many of them can make people ill with sniffles or coughing. Before the SARS-CoV-2 outbreak, coronaviruses were thought to cause only mild respiratory infections in people.

The new (or “novel”) coronavirus is one of several known to infect humans. It’s probably been around for some time in animals. Sometimes, a virus in animals crosses over into people. That’s what scientists think happened here. So this virus isn’t new to the world, but it is new to humans. When scientists found out that it was making people sick in 2019, they named it as a novel coronavirus.
Human Coronavirus Types

Scientists have divided coronaviruses into four sub-groupings, called alpha, beta, gamma, and delta. Seven of these viruses can infect people. The four common ones are:

229E (alpha)
NL63 (alpha)
OC43 (beta)
HKU1 (beta)

The three less-common ones are:

MERS-CoV, a beta virus that causes Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS)
SARS-CoV, a beta virus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)
SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19

Coronaviruses have all their genetic material in something called RNA (ribonucleic acid). RNA has some similarities to DNA, but they aren’t the same.

When viruses infect you, they attach to your cells, get inside them, and make copies of their RNA, which helps them spread. If there’s a copying mistake, the RNA gets changed. Scientists call those changes mutations.

These changes happen randomly and by accident. It’s a normal part of what happens to viruses as they multiply and spread.

Because the changes are random, they may make little to no difference in a person’s health. Other times, they may cause disease. For example, one reason you need a flu shot every year is because influenza viruses change from year to year. This year’s flu virus probably isn’t exactly the same one that circulated last year.

If a virus has a random change that makes it easier to infect people and it spreads, that strain will become more common.

The bottom line is that all viruses, including coronaviruses, can change over time. Scientists and doctors call slightly different versions of a virus new strains.


Second Coronavirus Strain

You might have heard that there’s more than one strain of the new coronavirus. Is it true? The answer appears to be yes.

The theory about different strains of the new coronavirus comes from a study in China. Researchers were studying changes in coronavirus RNA over time to figure out how various coronaviruses are related to each other. They looked at 103 samples of the new coronavirus collected from people, and they looked at coronaviruses from animals. It turned out that the coronaviruses found in humans weren’t all the same.

There were two types, which the researchers called “L” and “S.” They’re very similar, with slight differences in two places. It looks like the S type came first. But the scientists say the L type was more common early in the outbreak. One may cause more disease than the other. Scientists need more data to really know what these strains mean to human health and COVID-19.

As the coronavirus keeps spreading around the world, it will probably keep changing. Experts may find new strains. It’s impossible to predict how those virus changes might affect what happens. But change is just what viruses do.
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coldjoint
 
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Tue 19 May, 2020 04:03 pm
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Dr. Judy Mikovits interviewed by the Health Ranger on the coronavirus pandemic: Fauci fraud, NIH corruption and more

Here is a link to the new video. Would she be more or less completely silenced if she was wrong?


Brighteon.com/be689f32-5526-4601-a627-48dc4f896cf9 Oh well, the link is at the site.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-05-16-dr-judy-mikovits-interviewed-coronavirus-pandemic-fauci-nih-corruption.html?utm_source=whatfinger
 

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