Further Discussion About Covid-19 and the Covid-19 Crisis 2020

I'll be glad when this mess with Covid-19 is over. Never in my lifetime have I seen anything so ridiculous. Life during the post-Covid-19 era sucks.

The U.S. and the rest of the world didn't carry on this bad when H1N1 broke out.

Yes there was a swine flu pandemic between 2009 and 2010.

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@JGoldman10,

1. We aren't at a post Covid19 "life" yet. We aren't "post" Covid19.
2. We actually had effective leadership during H1N1. We had leaders who actually listened to Dr Fauci.

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@bobsal u1553115,

Okay - life in the Covid-19 era sucks.

How come things weren't as bad during the swine flu pandemic as they are now? I don't recall anyone being required to wear masks. There was no "social distancing". Businesses and other public facilities were not on lockdown, or closed to the public, or had restricted hours of operation. There were no public curfews. Life went on as usual.

What does Dr. Fauci have to say about the Covid-19 crisis?

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@bobsal u1553115,

bobsal u1553115 wrote:

For Pete's sakes, stop it. A pandemic is an epidemic though not every epidemic is a pandemic. Show me anywhere I said anything at all that contradicts that.

I'm done with this: Covid10 is epidemic to the US as part of a Pandemic of Covid19 at loose in the world today. We are in Pandemic.

Parse that anyway you'd like.

Calling it 'pandemic' is more a way of sensationalizing it, like the way hurricanes are hyped up in the media to exploit hysteria.

Whether it's a pandemic or not, it's definitely an epidemic, so that is the safest term.

Pandemic sort of implies that a much larger percent of the total population would be suffering more severely (of the disease, not economic hardships, I mean).

So I don't think there's a reason to differentiate between 'epidemic' and 'pandemic' in terms of scope, because that would imply that an epidemic ceases to be an epidemic at some level, and it doesn't. Every widespread disease is an epidemic.

Obesity used to be epidemic and Idk if it still is. Smoking used to be epidemic the way alcohol use probably still is. You could call alcohol use a 'pandemic' social problem because it is so widespread, but that just emphasizes the vastness of scope; it's still basically just an epidemic social problem (do you realize the irony of saying, "just an epidemic?" That is what happens to the meaning of word 'epidemic' when you start using the word, 'pandemic' all the time. There's nothing minor about anything epidemic just because the word 'pandemic' sound bigger and/or more severe.

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@JGoldman10,

I agree. This is a sucky way to live relieved by the fact this is what we do now to get to a better life. Think of how empty the highways will be when all those 'open' protesters who took Dr Judy start kicking off.

I'm sad they're going to die stupidly and needlessly but I will not let them take me with them. I'm staying quarantined, and wear a mask and gloves with sanitizer in my pocket until there is no second wave or the second wave finally sweeps over the Covid19 deniers and dies out.

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@livinglava,

Calling it a Pandemic accurately describes what it is. Ignoring the bogey man is one thing, ignoring a pandemic which has taken 250,000 dead around the world in the last three months is stupid. Particularly since there is no definite way of treating past treating symptoms.

If you want to listen to Dr Judy and the worst happens, may I have dibs on your house? Not that I need a house, but if you go and you take your family with you there would be no sense letting the state have it.

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@bobsal u1553115,

It's written in Psalm 24:1, "The Earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof; ..."

My pastor said the Lord is going to take back what is His.

I forgot exactly what else he said regarding the Covid-19 crisis but I recall he said the Lord is using the situation to humble a lot of people.

I'm not worried about the Covid-19 crisis. This mess is coming to an end soon.

We CHRISTIANS need to be praying more.

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I am praying that the Lord will reveal the world's scientists and medical experts exactly how to isolate, contain and destroy the virus and how to concoct a cure and/or vaccine for those have already contracted the virus.

I'm going to pray that the Lord will heal those who have already contracted the virus and Save those people who are not Saved who have contracted it.

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@JGoldman10,

Sounds exactly what you should do. What we all should be doing.

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This is what my American Christian penpal had to say about the Covid-19 researcher who was killed:

"... The people who murdered him are Socialists who want Covid-19 to kill as many people as possible, especially the elderly and the disabled. They think the world is "overpopulated" (it isn't), and they want to cut the population. That's why they killed that guy. He not only had valuable research, but he may have known the truth about how it all started."

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Think of the current health crisis and how it has changed the lives of people as part of what many Christians refer to as "Trials and tribulations" .

Yet, even in the darkest hour, the light will creep in. Focus there.

Find those special moments, the most precious ones and rejoice in them. Give thanks for still having your own health and pray for a patience to endure.

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@JGoldman10,

Your penpal isn't rooted in word or of the spirit. What a crying shame to spread that poop.

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If 80% of Americans Wore Masks, COVID-19 Infections Would Plummet, New Study Says
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/masks-covid-19-infections-would-plummet-new-study-says#intcid=recommendations_default-popular_5e9faa93-0655-422a-b0e7-0d5d77726b74_popular4-1

Japan and other Southeast Asian nations have done relatively well in comparison to the terrible way the Trump administration has done combating COVID19. This is another example of their success versus our failure.

It sounds too good to be true. But a compelling new study and computer model provide fresh evidence for a simple solution to help us emerge from this nightmarish lockdown. The formula? Always social distance in public and, most importantly, wear a mask. If you’re wondering whether to wear or not to wear, consider this. The day before yesterday, 21 people died of COVID-19 in Japan. In the United States, 2,129 died. Comparing overall death rates for the two countries offers an even starker point of comparison with total U.S. deaths now at a staggering 76,032 and Japan’s fatalities at 577. Japan’s population is about 38% of the U.S., but even adjusting for population, the Japanese death rate is a mere 2% of America’s.

It's not a guarantee but the evidence points out, in the whole scheme of things, masks work and could and still can be a great tool in defeating the virus.

This comes despite Japan having no lockdown, still-active subways, and many businesses that have remained open—reportedly including karaoke bars, although Japanese citizens and industries are practicing social distancing where they can. Nor have the Japanese broadly embraced contact tracing, a practice by which health authorities identify someone who has been infected and then attempt to identify everyone that person might have interacted with—and potentially infected. So how does Japan do it?
One reason is that nearly everyone there is wearing a mask,” said De Kai, an American computer scientist with joint appointments at UC Berkeley’s International Computer Science Institute and at the Hong Kong University of Science and Technology. He is also the chief architect of an in-depth study, set to be released in the coming days, that suggests that every one of us should be wearing a mask—whether surgical or homemade, scarf or bandana—like they do in Japan and other countries, mostly in East Asia. This formula applies to President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence (occasional mask refuseniks) as well as every other official who routinely interacts with people in public settings. Among the findings of their research paper, which the team plans to submit to a major journal: If 80% of a closed population were to don a mask, COVID-19 infection rates would statistically drop to approximately one twelfth the number of infections—compared to a live-virus population in which no one wore masks.

On this, Trump isn't 100 percent to blame because the MSM in America didn't at first advocate wearing masks universally until very late. Though now he is, as usual, adapting foolish measures in relation to masks. Now his own administration is littered with COVID 19 positive test results, a dangerous situation that could have been avoided had the stubborn, hard-headed Trump adapted to the new situation.

ALL of the experts including the Trump advisers failed us on this one. Earlier the mainstream medical experts were afraid masks would be so rare the health care workers would be deprived so they ( wrongfully IMO) sent out messages that advocated NOT for us to wear masks.

Now that the COVID has spread so perniciously they realize masks, as they worked so well in Asia, should be adapted here as well. This study seems to back that up.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/masks-covid-19-infections-would-plummet-new-study-says#intcid=recommendations_default-popular_5e9faa93-0655-422a-b0e7-0d5d77726b74_popular4-1

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@bobsal u1553115,

He knows more about the Bible than I do.

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@JGoldman10,

As Christ pointed out: even the beast quotes Scripture. It is also said "Do not bear false witness" or to gossip.

“You shall not spread a false report. You shall not join hands with a wicked man to be a malicious witness.
Proverbs 11:13-14 ESV

Whoever goes about slandering reveals secrets, but he who is trustworthy in spirit keeps a thing covered. Where there is no guidance, a people falls, but in an abundance of counselors there is safety.
James 4:1-2 ESV /

What causes quarrels and what causes fights among you? Is it not this, that your passions are at war within you? You desire and do not have, so you murder. You covet and cannot obtain, so you fight and quarrel. You do not have, because you do not ask.
Proverbs 26:20 ESV

For lack of wood the fire goes out, and where there is no whisperer, quarreling ceases.
2 Timothy 2:23 ESV

Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels.
Proverbs 21:15 ESV

When justice is done, it is a joy to the righteous but terror to evildoers.
James 3:3-8 ESV

If we put bits into the mouths of horses so that they obey us, we guide their whole bodies as well. Look at the ships also: though they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are guided by a very small rudder wherever the will of the pilot directs. So also the tongue is a small member, yet it boasts of great things. How great a forest is set ablaze by such a small fire! And the tongue is a fire, a world of unrighteousness. The tongue is set among our members, staining the whole body, setting on fire the entire course of life, and set on fire by hell. For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and sea creature, can be tamed and has been tamed by mankind, ...
Matthew 7:12 ESV

The simple believes everything, but the prudent gives thought to his steps.
Titus 3:2-9 ESV

To speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people. For we ourselves were once foolish, disobedient, led astray, slaves to various passions and pleasures, passing our days in malice and envy, hated by others and hating one another. But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, ...
Exodus 23:1-33 ESV

“You shall not spread a false report. You shall not join hands with a wicked man to be a malicious witness. You shall not fall in with the many to do evil, nor shall you bear witness in a lawsuit, siding with the many, so as to pervert justice, nor shall you be partial to a poor man in his lawsuit. “If you meet your enemy's ox or his donkey going astray, you shall bring it back to him. If you see the donkey of one who hates you lying down under its burden, you shall refrain from leaving him with it; you shall rescue it with him. ...
James 3:9 ESV

Whoever goes about slandering reveals secrets; therefore do not associate with a simple babbler.
Ezekiel 38:1-23 ESV

The king's heart is a stream of water in the hand of the Lord; he turns it wherever he will. Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, but the Lord weighs the heart. To do righteousness and justice is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice. Haughty eyes and a proud heart, the lamp of the wicked, are sin. The plans of the diligent lead surely to abundance, but everyone who is hasty comes only to poverty. ...
Proverbs 18:17 ESV / 10 helpful votes

The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.
Proverbs 18:13 ESV

If one gives an answer before he hears, it is his folly and shame.
Proverbs 18:8 ESV

The words of a whisperer are like delicious morsels; they go down into the inner parts of the body.
John 7:51-8:44 ESV

“Does our law judge a man without first giving him a hearing and learning what he does?” They replied, “Are you from Galilee too? Search and see that no prophet arises from Galilee.” [[They went each to his own house, but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. Early in the morning he came again to the temple. All the people came to him, and he sat down and taught them. ...
Proverbs 17:14 ESV / 6 helpful votes

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@JGoldman10,

I think that is true. We all need to be humble.

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@Sturgis,

Good stuff. We will pull through this and our attitudes are an important tool in accomplishing this.

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@bobsal u1553115,

Exactly. It's how we handle it and that will also help determine the future.

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@bobsal u1553115,

bobsal u1553115 wrote:

As Christ pointed out: even the beast quotes Scripture. It is also said "Do not bear false witness" or to gossip.

“You shall not spread a false report. You shall not join hands with a wicked man to be a malicious witness.
Proverbs 11:13-14 ESV

Whoever goes about slandering reveals secrets, but he who is trustworthy in spirit keeps a thing covered. Where there is no guidance, a people falls, but in an abundance of counselors there is safety.
James 4:1-2 ESV /

What causes quarrels and what causes fights among you? Is it not this, that your passions are at war within you? You desire and do not have, so you murder. You covet and cannot obtain, so you fight and quarrel. You do not have, because you do not ask.
Proverbs 26:20 ESV

For lack of wood the fire goes out, and where there is no whisperer, quarreling ceases.
2 Timothy 2:23 ESV

Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels.
Proverbs 21:15 ESV

When justice is done, it is a joy to the righteous but terror to evildoers.
James 3:3-8 ESV

If we put bits into the mouths of horses so that they obey us, we guide their whole bodies as well. Look at the ships also: though they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are guided by a very small rudder wherever the will of the pilot directs. So also the tongue is a small member, yet it boasts of great things. How great a forest is set ablaze by such a small fire! And the tongue is a fire, a world of unrighteousness. The tongue is set among our members, staining the whole body, setting on fire the entire course of life, and set on fire by hell. For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and sea creature, can be tamed and has been tamed by mankind, ...
Matthew 7:12 ESV

The simple believes everything, but the prudent gives thought to his steps.
Titus 3:2-9 ESV

To speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people. For we ourselves were once foolish, disobedient, led astray, slaves to various passions and pleasures, passing our days in malice and envy, hated by others and hating one another. But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, ...
Exodus 23:1-33 ESV

“You shall not spread a false report. You shall not join hands with a wicked man to be a malicious witness. You shall not fall in with the many to do evil, nor shall you bear witness in a lawsuit, siding with the many, so as to pervert justice, nor shall you be partial to a poor man in his lawsuit. “If you meet your enemy's ox or his donkey going astray, you shall bring it back to him. If you see the donkey of one who hates you lying down under its burden, you shall refrain from leaving him with it; you shall rescue it with him. ...
James 3:9 ESV

Whoever goes about slandering reveals secrets; therefore do not associate with a simple babbler.
Ezekiel 38:1-23 ESV

The king's heart is a stream of water in the hand of the Lord; he turns it wherever he will. Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, but the Lord weighs the heart. To do righteousness and justice is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice. Haughty eyes and a proud heart, the lamp of the wicked, are sin. The plans of the diligent lead surely to abundance, but everyone who is hasty comes only to poverty. ...
Proverbs 18:17 ESV / 10 helpful votes

The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.
Proverbs 18:13 ESV

If one gives an answer before he hears, it is his folly and shame.
Proverbs 18:8 ESV

The words of a whisperer are like delicious morsels; they go down into the inner parts of the body.
John 7:51-8:44 ESV

“Does our law judge a man without first giving him a hearing and learning what he does?” They replied, “Are you from Galilee too? Search and see that no prophet arises from Galilee.” [[They went each to his own house, but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. Early in the morning he came again to the temple. All the people came to him, and he sat down and taught them. ...
Proverbs 17:14 ESV / 6 helpful votes

Thank you for posting these scriptural verses. They are very interesting.

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'People are scared': White House in disarray as members of Trump's inner circle exposed to COVID-19
Source: raw story

Published 1 min ago on May 10, 2020

Speaking with hosts Victor Blackwell and Christi Paul, Homes stated that the news that CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield, Dr. Anthony Fauci and FDA Director Stephen Hahn have all gone into one form of quarantine or another after two White House staffers tested positive for the coronavirus has rocked staffers who are still coming in everyday during the health crisis.

“This is clearly not the narrative that the White House wants to have right now,” Holmes began. “Remember just last week, President Trump broke his self-isolation and went to Arizona. That trip was meant to really signal that the country was ready to reopen; we’ve seen states slowly working to reopen their different businesses. We know people are going back to work and that’s what the White House wanted to be talking about.”

“Now the narrative is completely different, it is people are scared, and it’s in the place where it’s essentially the safest place in the country arguably,” she continued. “People are still getting sick here. What does that say? And what does it say if three of the top doctors on the front line fighting this virus are now quarantining themselves for 14 days?”

“Why? Because they came into contact with someone who tested positive. Where? Here at the White House,” she explained. “So, it’s clearly a shift in narrative, what we are talking about. Will anything actually change? That’s the big question now. Well, on Friday, after the vice president’s press secretary tested positive, a memo went out to all staffers, essentially said that they were taking stronger measures to protect them, to prevent the spread of coronavirus. That meant heightened cleaning in high touch-point places. It also meant at some points they would be maintaining maximum staff teleworking. One thing that wasn’t mentioned, though, was masks.”

Watch below:

Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/people-are-scared-white-house-in-disarray-as-members-of-trumps-inner-circle-exposed-to-covid-19/#.Xrf4aSBL-kw.twitter

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