Further Discussion About Covid-19 and the Covid-19 Crisis 2020

@revelette3,

Its an impediment to knowing G*d. Its an attempt to justify faith, to prove the unknowable. It side-tracks us from being in the world of G*d.

The secret code stuff is like looking at the simplicity of Christ's message through a kaleidoscope, all infinitely interesting but adding nothing knowable or concrete. And it adds dissension to the mix as each holder of a piece of the "truth" argues with other holders of the "truth" over how truthy each nugget is. It reminds me of the story of the tower of Babel.

Christ said, "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved." We don't need a biblical enigma machine to figure out what he really meant and has hidden in those simple words of a simple declarative sentence. I understand Jefferson's bible more everyday. All we need is Christ's message.

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@revelette3,

It sure is. Are we in the Brownshirt phase of our own Wiemar Republic?

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@bobsal u1553115,

Aw, well, bobsal, you've lost me here. I would have to google Brownshirt in the context of the Weimar Republic. I am not educated beyond 12th grade and even that was by the hair in the days when you could "graduate" at the Christmas break if you had enough credit. (least we could here cause me and my husband did a little by trickery, lest said the better)

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@bobsal u1553115,

bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Its an impediment to knowing G*d. Its an attempt to justify faith, to prove the unknowable. It side-tracks us from being in the world of G*d.

The secret code stuff is like looking at the simplicity of Christ's message through a kaleidoscope, all infinitely interesting but adding nothing knowable or concrete. And it adds dissension to the mix as each holder of a piece of the "truth" argues with other holders of the "truth" over how truthy each nugget is. It reminds me of the story of the tower of Babel.

Christ said, "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved." We don't need a biblical enigma machine to figure out what he really meant and has hidden in those simple words of a simple declarative sentence. I understand Jefferson's bible more everyday. All we need is Christ's message.

You do realize that everyone has to make sense of the Bible in their own way, and that everyone who teaches about Jesus and other aspects of the Bible is necessarily spinning it in their own way because that's how they understand it?

You may be right with the kaleidoscope metaphor, but ideally Holy Spirit causes things to gel inside people spiritually despite the fact that they've received and grasped many different aspects of truth in many different ways through various sources and conduits.

The Bible says seek and ye shall find; and it doesn't say that if the maze is too complex you won't find because you'll get lost. We do get lost in the details and interpretations, but if we are sincerely seeking, it gels within us because that's the way Holy Spirit works via direct revelation.

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@revelette3,

Its when the German republic destroyed by the Great Depression and humiliated by the terms of the Versailles were wracked by strikes, monumental inflation, political infighting and the guy with the Chaplin's mustache put his brown shirt militia in the streets claiming to represent a majority of Germans and claiming to be able to bring about civil order. That funny guy with the little mustache and bad haircut was never elected but was appointed to his authority.

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@bobsal u1553115,

The Brownshirt militia had a lot of ex servicemen in it and they were heavily armed, enough to rival the army. There are clear parallels with the NRA, but to the Brownshirt's credit, unlike the NRA, they weren't all about shooting up schools.

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@bobsal u1553115,

Except for the little mustache it sounds like Trump.

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@izzythepush,

But had no compunction about beating Jews and communists of any age or gender to death in the streets.

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@RABEL222,

Bingo.

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@bobsal u1553115,

I know, don’t get me wrong, they were a despicable bunch of scumbags, but even they didn’t celebrate school shootings.

My point wasn’t about how nice the Brownshirts were, they weren’t, it was about how appalling the NRA are.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

I know, don’t get me wrong, they were a despicable bunch of scumbags, but even they didn’t celebrate school shootings.

My point wasn’t about how nice the Brownshirts were, they weren’t, it was about how appalling the NRA are.

If you think the NRA supporters are as terrifying as Brownshirts, that means they probably see you about the same way. Remember, Brownshirts were the agents of national socialism and Stalinist socialism killed and enslaved more people than even Hitler's nazi regime; so when people who are for liberty see socialists viewing them as equivalent to Hitler's nazis, it makes them feel like they are going to be targeted as political dissidents in the way Stalinism targeted political enemies.

As such, you can imagine why they would be fortifying their defenses against impending Stalinism, right? Or do you think Stalinism was the good version of Hitler's nazi socialist regime, or something to that effect?

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@izzythepush,

The leadership of the NRA only concerns itself with the gun industry. The rest is spin that gullible people swallow up like kool-aide. So they push ideas such as "a good guy with a gun." So now in most schools and other public places you have armed guards. Even so, there are still shootings. But there will always be violence no matter what. So armed guards are good common sense.

Think about a small place like a church building filled with armed members just waiting for a shooter to start shooting. Ideally, they envision a sharpshooter shooting down the shooter when it could very well be that everybody pulls out their guns and guns get fired all over the place by the good guy and bad guy shooters. I guess that freedom's collateral damage. It should be just trained guards in churches, not everyone armed to the teeth.

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@revelette3,

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"a good guy with a gun."

What are our police and military? Bad guys with guns? Are the police and military also citizens? There are, and hopefully always will be, good guys with guns. That is what our right to own guns insures.

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@izzythepush,

That was no criticism of your point. I will concede that brownshirts recognized property rights past breaking windows and anti Semitic graffiti. After all it was better to nationalize intact buildings than a shot up piles of ashes.

Seriously though, I got your point. The NRA turns their gunmen loose willy-nilly, the brown shirts had central planning and control.

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@revelette3,

revelette3 wrote:

Think about a small place like a church building filled with armed members just waiting for a shooter to start shooting. Ideally, they envision a sharpshooter shooting down the shooter when it could very well be that everybody pulls out their guns and guns get fired all over the place by the good guy and bad guy shooters. I guess that freedom's collateral damage. It should be just trained guards in churches, not everyone armed to the teeth.

If there were multiple bad guys going into churches for gun battles, it would provoke a counter-terrorism movement that would target gunless people based on their political affiliation, like what happened with Anders Breivic shooting up the social-democrat party's summer camp.

Gun rights opponents think that if the collateral damage gets bad enough, it will result in stricter gun laws being passed; but stricter gun laws passing would also result in more anti-governmental terrorism; so there's no real end to it; just ever more escalation.

The best thing to do is to just accept the 2nd amendment and prevent escalation. The extremists who procure terrorist violence on either side have nothing to do with the vast majority of people who support that side of the political divide. I.e. Anders Breivic's actions wouldn't be favored or celebrated by most people who support gun rights and dislike the left, but that wouldn't stop someone like Breivic from taking matters into their own hands and committing an act of terrorism.

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@bobsal u1553115,

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The NRA turns their gunmen loose willy-nilly, the brown shirts had central planning and control.

The Broward County government turned the mass shooter at Parkland loose, many times. One time too many.

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@revelette3,

I’m really glad not to have to deal with stuff like that.

I don’t like seeing armed police, let alone anyone else.

Our police aren’t routinely armed, but there are armed specialist units in places like the Houses of Parliament.

When I was there being shown around by Dennis Skinner, he told me that his bike was stolen from inside the security cordon, so much for armed police.

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@bobsal u1553115,

I know there’s fewer incidences of mass shootings right now, but with the lock down incidences of domestic violence are going up.

Our violent bastards don’t have guns.

Has the amount of spousal shootings increased over there?

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@izzythepush,

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Has the amount of spousal shootings increased over there?

Absolutely has. There's a big rise of threatened violence in public, too.

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@bobsal u1553115,

bobsal u1553115 wrote:

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Has the amount of spousal shootings increased over there?

Absolutely has. There's a big rise of threatened violence in public, too.

It all starts with hostile and aggressive attitudes, which provoke reactions and counter-reactions, and escalations.

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