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Do Warner Bros. and Disney still dominate the TV toon market like they did in the late 20th century?

 
 
Rebelofnj
 
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Reply Thu 14 May, 2020 08:37 pm
@JGoldman10,
On a related note, in that other discussion we had, you said, "Based on what I'm read and seen online I think Waluigi is probably the most sensationalized, most talked-about fictional character to date since Roger Rabbit."

Was that supposed to be a joke, or were you serious in thinking that?
JGoldman10
 
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Reply Fri 15 May, 2020 03:13 pm
@Rebelofnj,
No I was serious.
Rebelofnj
 
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Reply Fri 15 May, 2020 04:02 pm
@JGoldman10,
Then you really haven't paid any attention to pop culture or animation history in general in the last 30 years. Which is odd as you went to art school in the 1990s, during Disney's Renaissance era of films, in a major metropolitan area.

As stated in the other discussion, Waluigi is just a minor video game character with no backstory, only appears in multiplayer games, while still having a vocal but small fanbase.
Meanwhile, Elsa from Frozen has been the main character of two films, two shorts, a Broadway show, and heavily featured in Disney merchandise.
JGoldman10
 
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Reply Fri 15 May, 2020 05:10 pm
@Rebelofnj,
That isn't true. I know more about pop culture and animation history from the '90s than I do from this century.

There are some staples of '80s pop culture and animation history I don't know about.
JGoldman10
 
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Reply Fri 15 May, 2020 05:15 pm
@Rebelofnj,
How do you know Waluigi has no backstory? Why do you refer to him as a minor character?

I know he's a character that needs more development.
Rebelofnj
 
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Reply Fri 15 May, 2020 05:18 pm
@JGoldman10,
Then it should be easy for you to believe that basically every Disney Animated film that was released in the 90s is more popular than Waluigi and Roger Rabbit in the long run.

1994's The Lion King, in particular, was at one point Disney's most successful film, with two sequels, two animated series, a successful Broadway show, and was featured in the successful video game series Kingdom Hearts.
Rebelofnj
 
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Reply Fri 15 May, 2020 05:30 pm
@JGoldman10,
Because he is a minor character. He never had a major role in the main Mario games. Even Wario was a playable character in the Super Mario 64 DS remake. The Wikipedia page for Waluigi is pretty short compared to the other characters in the Mario franchise.
JGoldman10
 
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Reply Fri 15 May, 2020 05:31 pm
@Rebelofnj,
I know Warner Bros. Feature Animation was established in the '90s and became a big thing.

I know back in the '80s and '90s Don Bluth was a key animator who had his own studio and worked on a lot of animated films. A lot of his work was popular and successful. He was also responsible for the Space Ace and Dragon's Lair video games.

I know American Tail and Land Before Time were two popular Bluth-animated film series Spielberg produced.
JGoldman10
 
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Reply Fri 15 May, 2020 05:36 pm
@Rebelofnj,
Whatever. That is true - not counting his appearance in Super Mario Maker he's never appeared in an official main Mario franchise game for whatever reason.
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Rebelofnj
 
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Reply Fri 15 May, 2020 05:48 pm
@JGoldman10,
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A lot of his work was popular and successful.


That is sort of true. His 80s films he directed with producer Steven Spielberg were successful and better than most of Disney's 80s films.

However, his 90s films were box office bombs. His one good film in the 90s, Anastasia, was only successful because it basically copied what Disney was doing in the 90s.

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JGoldman10
 
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Reply Fri 15 May, 2020 06:18 pm
I know in the '80s and '90s Disney and WB were not the only Hollywood studios rebooting classic Golden Age cartoons. A number of cartoon shows, TV specials and even some cartoon movies were produced in the '80s and '90s by studios other than Disney and WB that featured classic Golden Age characters.

I know other studios were rebooting classic cartoons back in the '80s and '90s.

I know a handful of major animation studios went out of business in the '80s and '90s.

I know Turner Entertainment owned the rights to MGM cartoons and HB ones in the '80s, and later WB acquired the rights to these cartoons when Turner merged with WB in the '90s.
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JGoldman10
 
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Reply Fri 15 May, 2020 06:38 pm
Pink Panther and Tom and Jerry were rebooted at least twice in the '80s and '90s.
JGoldman10
 
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Reply Fri 15 May, 2020 07:02 pm
I know the way cartoons are produced has changed considerably since the '80s and '90s. Most people aren't producing cartoons using traditional ink and paint.
Comics are still hand-drawn but a lot of them are produced with the aid of computers.
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Rebelofnj
 
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Reply Fri 15 May, 2020 07:03 pm
@JGoldman10,
Have you seen or even aware of the other cartoon reboots after the year 2000?

Netflix in particular has rebooted several 80s shows into new animated shows. They recently announced they will produce a live action adaptation of Don Bluth's Dragon's Lair, after Bluth's recent attempts to produce an animated film apparently failed.
JGoldman10
 
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Reply Fri 15 May, 2020 07:37 pm
@Rebelofnj,
I have seen and/or heard of a few reboots.
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Rebelofnj
 
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Reply Fri 15 May, 2020 08:34 pm
On a related note, Disney has recently ended their computer animated series Star Wars: The Clone Wars after renewing the show for a final season on Disney Plus. The final episodes coincided with the events of the film Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith.

Similarly, in March 2020, Cartoon Network ended their long running show Steven Universe, after 5 seasons, a TV movie, and a 20 episode epilogue season. The final episodes were pretty emotional, as they focused on the main character's untreated poor mental health and his need to keep his family together.

Also, the creator of Adventure Time has a new animated show on Netflix called The Midnight Gospel, and the creator of Regular Show is working on Close Enough for HBO MAX. Both shows are for older audiences. The longtime producer of Star Wars: The Clone Wars is currently working on the live action show The Mandalorian for Disney Plus.
JGoldman10
 
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Reply Fri 15 May, 2020 11:18 pm
@Rebelofnj,
I have heard about Close Enough.

I've learned fairly recently omedian Eric Andre voices a character in Matt Greoning's series Disenchantment.
JGoldman10
 
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Reply Fri 15 May, 2020 11:20 pm
@Rebelofnj,
I was debunking your claim that I don't know too much about pop culture or anything animation-related.
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JGoldman10
 
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Reply Fri 15 May, 2020 11:39 pm
@JGoldman10,
JGoldman10 wrote:

I have heard about Close Enough.

I've learned fairly recently comedian Eric Andre voices a character in Matt Greoning's series Disenchantment.


-FIXED.
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JGoldman10
 
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Reply Sat 16 May, 2020 02:07 am
@Rebelofnj,
I know Ralph Bakshi is a veteran key animator who made a name for himself with the cartoon shows and animated films he worked on between the '70s and '90s. I think he's still working in animation.
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