Bernie Sanders 2020

@Finn dAbuzz,

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Is Sander's argument that US taxpayer dollars should go to funding abortion in other nations that it will help save our American asses from overpopulation? If so, that would be a really courageous and honest position.

It is. Reposting Sanders' position:

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And the Mexico City agreement, which denies American aid to those organizations around the world that allow women to have abortions or even get involved in birth control to me is totally absurd. So I think especially in poor countries around the world where women do not necessarily want to have large numbers of babies and where they can have the opportunity through birth control to control the number of kids they have, is something I very, very strongly support," he concluded.

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@Olivier5,

And do you think he would agree with how I stated it?

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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Using abortion as a fall back is a cop-out and an indication that you didn't take the problem seriously in the first place.

Assuming you are correct and that abortion is being used as "birth control" why would we want to let such irresponsible people become parents?

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Sanders is criticizing a long standing Republican policy that witholds US aid to organizations who don't disavow abortion altogether.

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The Mexico City policy is a United States government policy that blocks U.S. federal funding for non-governmental organizations that provide abortion counseling or referrals, advocate to decriminalize abortion, or expand abortion services. The Mexico City Policy requires foreign non-governmental organizations (NGOs) to certify that they will not "perform or actively promote abortion as a method of family planning" with non-U.S. funds as a condition for receiving U.S. assistance.

First implemented in 1984 by the Reagan Administration, the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) has enforced the policy during all subsequent Republican Administrations, and rescinded the policy at the direction of all Democratic Administrations.

(Wikipedia)

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@hightor,

As long as it is educating and advising women (and men, after all it takes two) of over population and we don't get into a situation where it becomes some kind of law, I see nothing wrong with it. As for our funding nations with women who use birth control and/or abortion, both are legal in this country so I don't see why it is issue in other countries.

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@revelette1,

They put abortion, republicans, forward because birth control before pregnancy because they know birth control in the u s is popular with all segments of the u s population. So they put forward the pictures of babies being aborted to appease the religions who want more members of their churches. Its a republican money thing. More people more money.

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@hightor,

I'll ignore the fact that once again you have made a comment that is entirely outside the context of my remarks.

Assuming? What do you think women who have abortions are engaged in? Population control? Saving their lives from certain death?

With the exception of a very tiny segment, they are having abortions because they do not wish to be pregnant: They have a career they are dedicated to, they don't want to marry the baby's father, they already have as many kids as they want etc.

These are the very same reasons women use pre-coital birth control methods.

I think you might subscribe to the fairy-tale notion that every woman having an abortion has gone through an excruciating internal debate that ends with them deciding that they cannot doom their existing children or their newborn to poverty.

Women currently have the right to own their own bodies and abort their unborn children. The effort to cast the act as some sort of selfless sacrifice is unnecessary and obscene, and if you or others want to continue down that path you ought to be raising your voices to tell the women who brag about theirs to shut the hell up.

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@Olivier5,

And why would anyone be against it?

Perhaps because their hearts are so big they want women around the world to own their own bodies as American women do, but Sanders, bless his heart, often refuses to mince words.

He wants those 3rd World women to have abortions to control the population. They are the ones (not women in the West) who are reproducing like bunnies. The bit about owning their bodies was for Bernie, an afterthought.

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@revelette1,

The Mexico Agreements do not ban abortion anywhere and do not hold that the US should do all it can to keep abortion illegal in other countries.

It simply holds that US tax dollars will not be spent on advocating abortion in other countries. In other words, Planned Parenthood won't get money they can use to open abortion clinics in Africa.

Are you an abortion evangelist?

If you want to donate to Planned Parenthood in Africa, be my guest but don't try and force me to as well by having our government fund it. Do you really have a problem with that?

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@Finn dAbuzz,

I don't know what (the hell) you're talking about.

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@hightor,

Well, that's a welcome change from you trying to twist what I've written into something you prefer to respond to

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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Using abortion as a fall back is a cop-out and an indication that you didn't take the problem seriously in the first place.

I read this as a criticism of women who seek to terminate their pregnancies for reasons other than contraceptive failure, rape, incest, fetal abnormalities, or maternal health. You seemed to imply that these women were irresponsible because they didn't take population growth seriously. I'm just pointing out that people who are that flippant about matters of life and death might not be ideal parents anyway so I don't understand why you think their decision to terminate their pregnancy is something to criticize. If someone doesn't wholeheartedly wish to be a parent why make it difficult for them to remain childless?

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Women currently have the right to own their own bodies and abort their unborn children. The effort to cast the act as some sort of selfless sacrifice is unnecessary and obscene, and if you or others want to continue down that path you ought to be raising your voices to tell the women who brag about theirs to shut the hell up.

Where did I describe abortion as a "selfless sacrifice"? Christ, you've twisted what I've written into something you prefer to respond to! You do this pretty consistently — and then try to accuse others of doing it!

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@hightor,

Twisting ones words to mean something completely the opposite of their true meaning is something he is expert at.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Because anyone knows that a galoping world demography is bad news. In particular, it is a contributing factor to climate change and mass emigration. It is in everybody's interest to stabilize the world population.

And of course accusations of Malthusianism are easy to throw at him. But Sanders is courageous enough to tell the truth, even on such a risqué subject.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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He wants those 3rd World women to have abortions to control the population.

No he does not. You are guilty of the same as you wrongly accused hightor.

Sanders agrees with population control. He also agrees with abortion. He agrees people in other nations have the same right to have abortions as people in this country and funding shouldn't be tied in with trying to stop abortions or women having the right to chose abortion if they want.

He is not telling third world countries to abort their babies to keep the population under control. The questions were put in a certain order which could cause confusion but that is not what he answered.

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"Human population growth has more than doubled in the past 50 years. The planet cannot sustain this growth. I realize this is a poisonous topic for politicians, but it's crucial to face," an audience member asked. "Empowering women and educating everyone on the need to curb population growth seems a reasonable campaign to enact. Would you be courageous enough to discuss this issue and make it a key feature of a plan to address climate catastrophe?"

"The answer is yes," Sanders responded. "And the answer has everything to do with the fact that women in the United States of America, by the way, have a right to control their own bodies and make reproductive decisions."

"And the Mexico City agreement, which denies American aid to those organizations around the world that allow women to have abortions or even get involved in birth control to me is totally absurd. So I think especially in poor countries around the world where women do not necessarily want to have large numbers of babies and where they can have the opportunity through birth control to control the number of kids they have, is something I very, very strongly support," he concluded.

From hightor's post.

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@revelette1,

rev, it's hard to reason with someone who carries a perpetual chip on his shoulder. He's always in a bad mood; even his attempts at humor betray his vitriolic nature. At times he used to be interesting but since donning his MAGA hat he just shows up here to pick fights and strut around the ring in his boxers. Taking things out of context, feigning moral superiority, and accusing others of intellectual dishonesty is pretty much his stock-in-trade.

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@hightor,

I may not want to be married any longer and as a result I would be a lousy husband but no one would condone my murdering my wife to save her from a bad marriage. A pregnant woman who doesn’t want to be a mother has an option that doesn’t include murdering her baby. It’s called adoption.

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@Olivier5,

Then you agree with me that he wants 3rd World Women to abort their babies

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@Finn dAbuzz,

I think birth control before conception should be the primary ticket as the world changes, and birth control after conception is a reasonable second choice.

I think anybody considering how difficult it will be to feed and keep children safe should begin thinking seriously about our present condition and our near future.

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