@Patches,
Patches wrote:The word "godhead" is not found in scripture. But this verse is demonstrating three separate persons under one godhead.
1 John 5:7. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
The "Word" is the Son of God, Jesus Christ.
Note Jesus' request about his disciples:
Quote:I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one. - John 17: 22
So, according to your logic, the disciples are united with the other three in a quadrinity, er, quadrilateral. er, what???
Or would you say all disciples are part of a disciplehead?
@Patches,
Patches wrote:The Church of JW's teach the Holy Trinity.
I've been here over 40 years. I can assure you these things are
not taught
Trinity
Hell Fire
Immortal Soul
@neologist,
Quote:If Jesus is God, how is he called God's only begotten son?
Because Jesus was God's Only One who became flesh as man and as all other 'sons of men'. God's Only Begotten Son because Jesus took on flesh from a 'fleshless' state..
@daverod,
daverod wrote:
Quote:If Jesus is God, how is he called God's only begotten son?
Because Jesus was God's Only One who became flesh as man and as all other 'sons of men'. God's Only Begotten Son because Jesus took on flesh from a 'fleshless' state..
More gobbledygook.
Flesh? A derogatory term usually for Christians to keep reiterating the idea that this life is garbage and you should instead favor an idea that you can't possibly know is real instead.
A perfect god needs to come up with a plan to set right the ways of man because he didn't foresee this whole mess happening before it happened or else could have gone about it differently?
All knowing yet doesn't know events are going to turn out unfavorable to him so he reacts like a brat child. "I don't like these humans so I'm going to drown everything." Then realized after this plan that he messed up and needs to promise never to drown humans again?
It's all made up human garbage meant for one purpose to keep the dumb in line from becoming assholes.
The Lord our G-d, the Lord is one.
We are all children of G-d. No person is closer to G-d than any other. Anyway, the deification of a person is idolatry, which is strictly forbidden in the Second Commandment.
@kk4mds,
Quote:We are all children of G-d.
Excuse me! I know a little bit about biology, and it was my parents responsible for my life.
"....all children of god" is an oxymoron. Many die in the womb or at birth. They did not commit any sin. They are totally innocent. However, god have allowed sinners and killers to live knowing they will commit murder or other crimes.
There is no such thing as a god. Many gods have been created by many men in many cultures and many countries over thousands of years.
The christian god is a god-come-lately.
Here's one theory:
Quote:Jon Pennington
Jon Pennington, I'm history, and so are you.
Answered Aug 16, 2015
The oldest evidence of a human religion that worshipped a supernatural deity is the Löwenmensch figurine, a half-human, half-lion sculpture made approximately 40,000 years ago, originally excavated from a German cave in 1939. A relic of the Aurignacian culture, the figurine is likely the totem of a prehistoric ancestor cult with animist beliefs. The half-human, half-lion form of the figurine is most likely a reflection of the belief that ancestor spirits dwelled in the bodies of European cave lions, an animal that went extinct about 12,000 years ago.
Source: "Lion Man", the oldest statuette with a combination man-animal
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@neologist,
As sinners God gives us a choice: rebel or be God's adopted son/daughter.
(re:'adopted and await citizenship into heaven'/Phil 3:20)
@neologist,
"If Jesus is God, how is he called God's only begotten son?"
Only LIFE. Use the synonym for understanding. God's only son = God's only human form, Immanuel (see Matthew 1:23).
@real life,
You base everything on the validity and accuracy of the book"s content. Jesus may, or may not have said the things attributed to him. It has never been unequivocally proven.
Believers make the choice that everything he said is true, because it validates what they "want" to believe. We suppose certain beliefs are true, based on the fact that more evidence exists for supporting our beliefs, than to the contrary. We know what the Bible "now" says, with regards as to what Jesus said about himself. What we don't know, is if he really said that. Assumptions and speculation have become fact over time. But,...what else have we got to go on?
@real life,
Jesus is the word of God the father, who came to redeem us
@sanora,
Just looking at logic, we can assume 1. not many in those days were able to read and/or write. 2. literacy rates in the ancient world
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1kj2zf/2000_years_ago_what_percentage_of_the_roman/ 3. if homo sapiens existed for 200,000 years ago, why did god appear only 2,000 years ago? What happens to all those humans who never heard of the "christian" Jesus/god? Other cultures had other gods.
god an jesus is **** and pig dick sucker and pig ass licker and dog cock sucker and ass licker and horses penis sucker and ass licker and pedophile and zoophele and necrophele
@cicerone imposter,
I am curious as to why in these circles it is only Christianity which seems to inspire the need to question the whole belief system? Why not Judaism or Hindu or Islam... Just wondering.
In any event answering in my own words the question of the title of this thread according to my belief system: Jesus is part of the Godhead, God the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Ghost are the Godhead. The Holy Ghost is God too. Jesus came to earth to be the Word of God from the Virgin Mary to be born from a seed planted by the Holy Ghost from God. He grew from birth a baby to man around 30 years old which makes him both a son of man (from Mary) and a son of God (from a seed from God) as was foretold it would happen in the scriptures of the Hebrews.
@revelette1,
From my pov, it's christianity that tries to recruit more members "to save them," and to promise eternal life. I find that to be ridiculous; when we die, we're gone forever. Our time on this planet is all she promised. Some die at birth, and some even live to be over 100 years old. That's not determined by any god or gods. It's based on nature.
@cicerone imposter,
I understand, pushy Christians are probably annoying. I am not sure if I am supposed to be a pushy Christian, but I am not really. I just believe what I believe. I think in this day and age, Christianity has been spread through out the world at some point or another. I mean the information of Christianity, not the acceptance of it. Perhaps in some places it doesn't hurt to try and spread the gospel (missionaries) but if it is not accepted, I think, they should drop it rather than keep trying to push it.
You realize no one actually knows what happens after death? On that basis, it is just as possible there is a heaven and a hell in some form or another as it not possible.
@revelette1,
I agree that nobody really knows, but I try to use logic in how I perceive our life on this planet. Don't forget that we are part of the primate family of animals. That's what the scientists have concluded from what's available to study. Also, I believe christianity is only one of many religions created by humans all over the world, and it's one of the newer ones at that. What happens to all those who lived before your Jesus came as your savior?
I trust nature to be the controller of our lives, and not any god or gods.
The people in different cultures believe in their gods no less than the christian god. They devote their heart and soul in their belief. That only proves that gods are created by men.
This is what I believe:
http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-fossils/species/homo-sapiens
Religion has evolved since the emergence of man. It is an integral part of our psyche. Even denying it is part of it.
In the Neolithic era or even the Paleolithic era there was the concept of the moon as the goddess. That is, the goddess represented the whole cycle of the moon, which is always there, zoe. Her son, the god, was bios and represented the various phases of the Moon. He was born in the West as the waxing crescent, grew and matured to the full moon, aged and declined as the waning crescent, and was devoured by the Sun as the new moon. Notice that the death of the waning crescent was simultaneous with the birth of the new moon. So bios was the living incarnation that was continually resurrected as part of the process . So, the process was the important thing, not the individual.
Later, violent cultures destroyed the matriarchal part of the culture along with the goddess, who was replaced by the male God. It is this male God that became an abstract concept and is either believed or disbelieved.
Religions have always evolved with science, and they must continue to evolve or the religion becomes decadent and in conflict with science.
If god so loved the world, he should have made sure that everybody lived a healthy life.
Some aspects of Christianity may be problematical; the teachings of Jesus himself are not.
@neologist,
Consider the prime mover to be a Singularity. To create separation Duality occurs. The tension between this Polarity causes the Primateria called the Universal Soul and there you have the Triangle, from which issues the Creative Force LOVE preceding Mind in a descending hierarchical power of creation in which we call gods.
Of course there is no Time is involved and all happens at once. There are things which defy logic in the study of metaphysics.
