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The hypocracy of the democrats concerning Northam.

 
 
Reply Sun 3 Feb, 2019 06:54 pm
The democrats are their own worst enemy. Blackface 30 years ago is bullshyt. The republicans backed Kavanaugh all the way even though they knew he was a drunk and attempted rapist. Because it increased their governmental power they didn't care about right or wrong. The definition of hypocracy. But the democrats always acknowledge right and wrong in their party which is why they always suck hind tit. No backing of one of their own if it means they gain more power for themselves. New candidates will change that dynamic? Not in a hundred years. The hypocrital democratic party members eat their own and I believe are a dying party.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 3 Feb, 2019 09:10 pm
RABEL222 wrote:
The democrats are their own worst enemy. Blackface 30 years ago is bullshyt.
I agree that Democrats turning against each other over phony outrage is pretty silly.

RABEL222 wrote:
The republicans backed Kavanaugh all the way even though they knew he was a drunk and attempted rapist.
There is no evidence that he is either of those things.

http://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/W5D4JBXJJVDAHDEHRD2TP5TNA4.jpg
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 5 Feb, 2019 05:00 am
@RABEL222,
What do you recommend they do? The governor was democratically elected, he has a personal mandate, he's not like a regular employee. I understand that many Democrats have condemned him.

By attacking and splitting the Democrat party you're handing power to the Republicans for the next ten years at least.

That's what happened over here.

Quote:
The SDP was founded on 26 March 1981 by four senior Labour Party moderates, dubbed the "Gang of Four":[6] Roy Jenkins, David Owen, Bill Rodgers and Shirley Williams, who issued the Limehouse Declaration. Owen and Rodgers were sitting Labour Members of Parliament (MPs); Jenkins had left Parliament in 1977 to serve as President of the European Commission, while Williams had lost her seat in the 1979 general election. The four left the Labour Party as a result of the January 1981 Wembley conference.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Democratic_Party_(UK)

Margaret Thatcher became prime minister two years earlier in 1979, and due to the SDP splitting the Labour party we did not get another Labour pm until 1997 with Tony Blair.

Is that what you want, another 16 years of Republican rule?
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 5 Feb, 2019 05:12 am
@izzythepush,
yes but it hnds an issue TO the GOP tht helps wipe out their own proclivities toward supporting the real racist organizations. Before the Civil Rights laws, the DEM party was actually the residence of the Klan . After Civil Rights and Brown v, the GOP picked up and embraced all those guys.
Politics is about NOW, and what have you done lately.

The Dems better not give tacit support to this guy, the only thing he's sad about, is that he got caught.

All of our parties have a "throwback" wing.
ems have taken up the bulk of minorities nd the poor and dwindling middle class but still weve got our W Va members and the Blue Dogs from Edgfield SC.

Meanwhile , on A2k, the real racists like pinky and gunga snake will be trying to whoop up phony party "concern" .

Dumping Northm is

1. the Right thing to do.

2. A teaching moment about the misogynist, racist wings of the GOP
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 5 Feb, 2019 05:30 am
@farmerman,
I agree that this sort of stuff should be stamped out but Rabel seemed more concerned with attacking the party as a whole than those individuals who have supported him.

The point remains, Northam has a mandate so he can't just be dismissed. We had a similar case over here where a Labour MP was caught speeding and then lied about being the driver so she was guilty of perverting the course of justice.

She was thrown out of the party but refused to resign as an MP and even though she's now serving time she's still an MP.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 5 Feb, 2019 05:44 am
@izzythepush,
Here's some more detail about our wayward MP.

Quote:
An MP's jail term for lying to police over a speeding ticket is being reviewed after a complaint it was unduly lenient.

Peterborough MP Fiona Onasanya had denied being behind the wheel when her car was spotted being driven at 41mph in a 30mph zone, in July 2017.

She was convicted at the Old Bailey of perverting the course of justice and jailed for three months on Tuesday.

The Attorney General's Office confirmed it was reviewing the case.

Onasanya - who has said she intends to appeal against her conviction - is the first sitting MP to be jailed since Terry Fields was sentenced to 60 days for failing to pay his ÂŁ373 poll tax bill in 1991.

Under parliamentary rules, a sentence of 12 months or more would have seen the MP automatically lose her seat.

A Recall Petition - which can force a by-election if signed by more than 10 per cent of the Peterborough electorate - cannot be opened until the appeal process is complete.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-47071120
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hightor
 
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Reply Tue 5 Feb, 2019 05:52 am
What if it turns out that, as he claims, he was neither of the people in the photo? I don't understand the rush to judgment and the absolute certainty of guilt expressed by those condemning the governor. Has anyone found anything in the guy's thirty years of medical practice and public service that would indicate that he's a racist?
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 5 Feb, 2019 05:58 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
real racists like pinky and gunga snake
farmerman wrote:
A teaching moment about the misogynist, racist wings of the GOP
This tendency of leftists to falsely accuse everyone of racism and misogyny is silly.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 5 Feb, 2019 06:17 am
@hightor,
I think his biggest problem is that he initially said he was in said photo. From what I understand he claims he was talking about another blackface photo where he dressed up as Michael Jackson.

If that were true it's still not good but it's a far cry from the KKK Sambo picture that all the furore is about. It would help if the Michael Jackson photo emerges, if it exists, but even if it is produced it doesn't look good.

He's already admitted, (albeit mistakenly,) to being in the offending photo, and no matter how many times he denies it, his initial words stick.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 5 Feb, 2019 06:52 am
Sorry for finding this political situation amusing... but the second in line for the Governorship is being accused of sexual assault. The third in line is a Republican.

Who should get the job?


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engineer
 
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Reply Tue 5 Feb, 2019 07:27 am
This whole thing is a legacy for Southerners. I grew up in the South in the 70's, I heard relatives and friends make racist remarks, I went to schools that were almost entirely white and where school boards were working hard to keep it that way. I didn't realize any of that as a kid, but looking back, it was pretty clear. There was racial tension at school, but I just saw the tension and heard the comments. Was there backface? Yes. Would I be surprised to see it in yearbooks or to hear that someone in their teens or early twenties participated in it? No. Would I be surprised to see teachers and administrators participating in it? No. None of that makes it right, but it doesn't surprise me that people turn this stuff up. It wasn't hard to find. IMO, Northam is playing it wrong. He should say "Yes, that stuff happened and it was wrong. We didn't know any better but I've learned and grown beyond the casual racism of the communities I grew up in and you can look at my actions today as a measure of the person I've become."
engineer
 
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Reply Tue 5 Feb, 2019 07:41 am
@engineer,
I found this article interesting: Why You’re Not Hearing That Ralph Northam Was Smeared by His Enemies and Destroyed by Social Media Polarization

Quote:
In both cases, there was a grain of truth in the right-wing critique. Some of the allegations made against Kavanaugh during his confirmation process do not appear to have been on firm factual ground. Some initial accounts of the Covington incident suggested incorrectly that the students had surrounded the protester when, in fact, he approached them. There are similar open questions about some aspects of the scandal into which Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam has gotten himself. ...

And yet, we’re not hearing much about a “smear job” when it comes to Northam. The caveats about who exactly appears in the picture, after all, don’t change other facts and realities: that a picture on Northam’s yearbook page that he’d gone three decades without objecting to was probably one that he at the very least approved of; that there’s something off about his claim that he only realized a day after the picture came to light that he might not have been in it; and that he has admitted to dressing in blackface on another occasion. Most of the media and political reaction to the story as a whole has thus held firm to the the common sense position that he should resign his position for having indulged in offensive racist “humor.”

Similarly, a big-picture view of the Kavanaugh and Covington stories does not support the claim of an unfair “smear.” The two most prominent allegations against Kavanaugh were made by women who don’t work in politics and who have plausible and/or verifiable explanations for how they came to interact with Kavanaugh at the times and places described. Those women’s accounts were corroborated to the extent possible by acquaintances who said they’d heard about the incidents in question years before Kavanaugh was nominated for the Supreme Court. Video of the Covington students, meanwhile, showed that they had mockingly serenaded the Native American protester involved in the confrontation with a “Tomahawk Chop” chant/gesture. Kavanaugh and the teenagers were not railroaded on completely fabricated and slanderous charges, but rather called to account for real or plausibly alleged misbehavior. That every single thing alleged about them anywhere by anyone did not turn out to be true does not exonerate them, it doesn’t make them heroes, and it doesn’t mean that the real villain of the story is some larger social trend.

The difference between the reaction to Northam and the reactions to Kavanaugh and Covington is pretty easy to spot: Northam is a Democrat. Despite not every detail of his situation being locked down, we’re not hearing about this story as a smear job because, for reasons including identity, ideology, and coalition-building necessity, Democrats and pundits on the left aren’t looking for ways to worm out of confronting racist and sexist behavior. Northam’s peers in his party and his movement aren’t invested in proving that all such accusations are fraudulent, and centrist media figures haven’t been made self-conscious about criticizing people like him by years of bias accusations.
hightor
 
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Reply Tue 5 Feb, 2019 08:22 am
@engineer,
Ben Mathis-Lilley wrote:
(...) Democrats and pundits on the left aren’t looking for ways to worm out of confronting racist and sexist behavior.

No. An incident like this allows them to hoist the "Zero Tolerance!" banner, shields white liberals from any accusation of racism, and reinforces the coalition with non-white voters. It's a win for them. The lackluster and rather uninspiring Northam can be readily sacrificed.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 5 Feb, 2019 08:49 am
@engineer,
I think there is some justice here... The Democrats are pushing these narratives of outrage, they are using political correctness as a political weapon. It is only fair that it gets turned back on them. Live by political correctness, die by political correctness.

I think your article is bogus in two ways.

1) It is silly to suggest any similarity between Kavanaugh, a public figure accused of committing a crime, and the Covington kid, accused of racially insensitive horseplay in the wrong color hat during a confrontation initiated by a Native American adult.

2) Outrage as a political tool, is a common part of the Democratic playbook. Modern American society, more than any other culture I know about, is hyper-sensitive to any source of outrage. Our politics are based around outrage. Our news is based around outrage. Our social networks are based around outrage.

This is absolutely part of a "larger social trend".
engineer
 
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Reply Tue 5 Feb, 2019 09:40 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

I think your article is bogus in two ways.

Not my article, but one I found interesting and I think you missed the point of it. Democrats are not attacking the reporting. With those other two incidents, there was a smear campaign against those bringing forth the allegations, against the reporters and against the media in general. (That is why they were lumped together.) That isn't happening here because there is not a knee-jerk, must protect at all costs culture involved.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 5 Feb, 2019 09:59 am
@engineer,
I thought the Covington kid case was ridiculous. The smear campaign was against the high school kid. I received several messages in which he was doxxed... people sent me his school, his home address and alleged colleges that I should write to make this kid's life miserable.

There is an immigrant rights charity I have done work with. They spammed me with a call to "urgent" action to make sure this kid got expelled/fired and shamed. This upset me... if they want my support they can't act like this.

1) This should never have been national news. No one was harmed in this encounter. It was a weird Native American protester confronting stereotypical Catholic kids. It was snapped up by a Facebook account (that was later deleted as a spam account) and the narrative full of lies spread like wildfire.

2) The idolizing of the "Native American Veteran" by the left was ridiculous. It is a silly narrative. He is a grown man who chose to provoke a group of teenagers... and it isn't the first time he has done this.

One NPR story on this story actually asked "where were the adults?" to stop this confrontation. There was an adult provoking it.

I don't know how the public shaming of this high school kid has to do with either Kavanaugh or Northam.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 5 Feb, 2019 11:02 am
@RABEL222,
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The republicans backed Kavanaugh all the way even though they knew he was a drunk and attempted rapist.

Only took two sentences for you to lie. But, you can try and prove it. I do not even expect you to try.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 5 Feb, 2019 11:04 am
@farmerman,
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2. A teaching moment about the misogynist, racist wings of the GOP

Go ahead and name the members that populate those wings. Names and states they represent would be nice. Proof would be nice too.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 5 Feb, 2019 11:11 am
This is an serious question... It is very easy to want to replace the Governor when the Lieutenant Governor is a progressive, African-American Democrat.

There are allegations of sexual assault against the Lieutenant Governor... if these turn out to be true the next in line to be Governor is a Republican.

In that case, do you still want to stick to your principles? There is no way to spin this in a positive way, this political correctness is a strategic liability.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 5 Feb, 2019 11:15 am
@maxdancona,
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In that case, do you still want to stick to your principles?

What principles? They have none. The two top Democrats in the state have proven that.
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