How (and when) will the Government Shutdown end?

No your style is to simply repeat the post you are replying and just saying the opposite. That is not presenting any arguments.
For instance someone says, "the sky today is sunny with some clouds". You would simple say, "no the sky is not cloudy with some clouds".

Trump was not willing to compromise on his stated amount of money for an actual wall along the southern border. Democrats do not accept an actual wall is needed along the southern border. The way Trump could have compromised would have been to say, we will do comprehensive security measures which includes some building of fencing (of some type)along with other security measures. But he was not willing to do that. If he did, he would have got what he wanted and there would be no shutdown.

What if Obama had decided to pull a stunt like Trump is pulling over the closing of GITMO (might he wish did do it) He would tell republicans either you close GITMO or I won't sign the budget?

What do you do with that if you are against closing GITMO?

What if he refused to take that off table but was willing to throw in a few conservative freebies to what he wants? Where is the compromise?

So you’ll stop using the unsourced, now admittedly unrelated, 100 billion dollar figure?

Huge Amounts Spent on Immigration, Study Finds

Still not related to the wall.

Trump is declaring a national emergency.

The rest of my prediction stands. This will fail in the courts. Trump and supporters will blame everything on liberal judges and the liberal media.

There will be no wall.

My prediction was correct.

maxdancona wrote:

There will be no wall.

There will be no DACA fix. My condolences.

DACA kids are fine for at least the next 2 years. By then, we hopefully will have a Democratic president to fix it.

Trumps offer was like his hair, all fluff.

As the United States Senate debated two dead-in-the-water bills to end the government shutdown on Thursday, Sen. Michael Bennet (D-CO) delivered an exasperated speech from the Senate floor. He attacked Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) for his “crocodile tears” over the shutdown and shouted that it’s “ludicrous” for President Donald Trump to refuse to fund the government over his insistence on a border wall.

A clip of the Colorado Democrat slamming Republicans and the White House for keeping the government closed quickly went viral. Cruz called for Democratic senators to “withdraw their objections” to the GOP and Trump, and Bennet wasn’t having it.

“I seldom, as you know, rise on this floor to contradict somebody on the other side. I’ve worked very hard over the years to work in a bipartisan way with the presiding officer, with my Republican colleagues,” Bennet said. “But these crocodile tears that the senator from Texas is crying over first responders is hard to take.”

Bennet zeroed in on Cruz’s role in the 2013 government shutdown over Republicans’ insistence that any spending bill passed at that time delay the implementation of the Affordable Care Act. Cruz essentially led a group of Republicans in keeping the government closed for 17 days, at one point taking the Senate floor for a 21-hour speech, including a reading of Green Eggs and Ham.

“In 2013, my state was flooded, it was underwater, people were killed, people’s houses were destroyed. Their small businesses were ruined forever,” Bennet said, describing massive flooding that devastated Colorado in 2013. “And because of the senator from Texas, this government was shut down for politics that he surfed to a second-place finish in the Iowa caucuses.”

Cruz ran for the president in 2016, losing to Trump in the Republican primary.

Bennet continued his attack on Cruz, who he said “supports a president who wants to erect a medieval barrier, who wants to use eminent domain to build that wall, who wants to declare an unconstitutional emergency to build that wall.” That, Bennet said, is Cruz’s prerogative.

“I can assure you that in Colorado, if a president said he was going to use eminent domain to erect a barrier across the state of Colorado, across the mountains of Colorado, he was going to steal the property of our farmers and ranchers to build his medieval wall, there wouldn’t be an elected leader from our state that would support his idea,” Bennet said.

He saved perhaps his most impassioned critique for last, and was clearly emotional when he delivered it:

Which goes to my final point, how ludicrous it is that this government is shut down over a promise the president of the United States couldn’t keep. And that America is not interested in having him keep. This idea that he was going to build a medieval wall across the southern border of Texas, take it from the farmers and ranchers that were there and have the Mexicans pay for it is isn’t true. That’s why we’re here.

Where we are in the government shutdown: nobody has answers
The US government is in the midst of its longest government shutdown in history, with the current partial shutdown about to reach the 34-day mark at midnight on Thursday. And there are no answers in sight.

The Senate on Thursday voted on two bills to reopen the government — one that included the $5 billion Trump is demanding for his border wall, and one that did not. Neither appeared to have any chance of passing in the first place.

Some 800,000 federal government workers have been furloughed or are working without pay, and hundreds of thousands of government contractors have been impacted as well. The shutdown is starting to have a real impact on the US economy, not to mention likely millions of people’s lives. Yet lawmakers have not come to a solution.

Trump seems no closer to conceding on his border wall insistence, despite polling suggesting perhaps he should, and all sides are dug in. Bennet’s speech highlights the desperation of the moment — not only among lawmakers but, perhaps more importantly, among the people who are feeling the effects of the ordeal each day.

There is a glimmer of positivity for Trump in the CBS poll. It finds that a slight majority of people, 52 percent, want Democrats to agree to a budget that includes wall funding, compared to 43 percent who want Dems to refuse to fund the border wall.

But of particular concern to Trump is the CBS poll’s finding that his base is beginning to fracture over the shutdown, with significant percentages of Republicans now saying the wall isn’t worth it and expressing support for reopening the government without wall funding.

Trump's base is fracturing over the shutdown.

The new CBS poll finds:

43% of Republicans say the wall is *not* worth govt shutdown

21% of Republicans say border can be secured *without* wall

30% of Republicans want Trump to reopen govt *without* wall

n a statement, Tyler Sinclair, Morning Consult’s vice president, said, “As the government shutdown enters its second month, President Trump continues to carry the bulk of the blame among voters for the stalemate. ... In this week’s poll nearly half of voters (49 percent) say the president is responsible — up 6 points since the shutdown began. At the same time, 35 percent of voters blame congressional Democrats, up 4 points, while 4 percent of voters blame congressional Republicans, down 3 points.”

I’ll make you a bet.

If tYrump wins, I will not post on this board until another Democrat is elected president.

If Trump loses, you don’t post until the next Republican.

Youve got no idea what may have gone on behind closed doors.