How (and when) will the Government Shutdown end?

@izzythepush,

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You can't fix stupid.

Something you can finally prove, and have been since 2010.

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@livinglava,

The great majority of people who drink alcohol do so without wasting household money and time at saloons, don't get into brawls or fall into drunken debauchery. Those that do have personal failings for which society as a whole should not be punished. Those feminists weren't onto anything but self-serving moral authoritarianism.

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

. . . self-serving moral authoritarianism.

Oh, I like that phrase.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

LOL from the studies I had seen the average consumed of alcohol went up not down during prohibition and women started to go to bars in far greater numbers then they did before prohibition.

I don't know how to solve that problem. If you make a law and more people go against the law than before the law was made, are you supposed to just accept that and stop trying to make and enforce laws?

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Living lava obviously thinks prohibition was a huge success. You can't fix stupid.

Correction: I think repealing prohibition has not achieved cultural progress but rather allowed a degenerative culture to go unchecked.

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

The great majority of people who drink alcohol do so without wasting household money and time at saloons, don't get into brawls or fall into drunken debauchery. Those that do have personal failings for which society as a whole should not be punished. Those feminists weren't onto anything but self-serving moral authoritarianism.

There are ways to do bad things so that they don't immediately seem to cause harm, but that doesn't mean they don't cause any harm whatsoever.

Every so often studies come out about how a glass of wine per day is healthy, etc. I don't know if these studies are true or just the latest propaganda for an industry that takes advantage of the tendency of addicted minds to worship the things they are addicted to.

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@livinglava,

There are plenty of references about Jesus either condoning the usage of "fermented drink" or positive examples where alcohol is permitted.

He must have been way more fun to party with than you....

However, I fail to see how this has any relevence to the Trump Shutdown.

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@neptuneblue,

Dident Jesus produce ferminted drink at the wedding.

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@neptuneblue,

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However, I fail to see how this has any relevence to the Trump Shutdown.

Thank you Lava! (Here is a red ribbon). We got on this tangent by way of Lava's obsession with drugs (which he seems to think the Wall will stop). I am done with it.

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@neptuneblue,

neptuneblue wrote:

There are plenty of references about Jesus either condoning the usage of "fermented drink" or positive examples where alcohol is permitted.

He must have been way more fun to party with than you....

However, I fail to see how this has any relevence to the Trump Shutdown.

The relevance has to do with the purpose of the wall, which is to stop trafficking.

You may think that the goal is to stop (im)migration, but the GOP is not against legal immigration.

So the question is what purpose there is for illegal immigration, except to facilitate trafficking of drugs and humans to serve lucrative criminal industries, such as the illegal drug trade and the prostitution/porn industry?

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@livinglava,

livinglava wrote:

So the question is what purpose there is for illegal immigration, except to facilitate trafficking of drugs and humans to serve lucrative criminal industries, such as the illegal drug trade and the prostitution/porn industry?

That's it? Those are the only reasons you can come up with? Truely, that says more about you than ambitious Latinos.

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@roger,

It's like there's a little hate factory out there turning out simplistic bigots.

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@roger,

roger wrote:

That's it? Those are the only reasons you can come up with? Truely, that says more about you than ambitious Latinos.

Well, you could expand prostitution to include slavery more generally. When someone can send a person to a high wage economy to get them to remit money to a lower-wage economy, what is that besides human trafficking for the sake of enslavement?

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@livinglava,

My cardiologist is a recognized vascular surgeon who runs a dept at a major teaching hospital in Philly. Hes told me many times that his family came across the Mexican border to America by his father overstaying a work visa where his father was employed as a seasonal ag worker in Pa Md and Maine during the 1950's. Id like to hve these kinds of "criminals" as my neighbors rather than these judgmental douche bags who see that the world is made up only of their righteous kind and lower criminal castes.
Was Bernie Madoff a Mexican?

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@farmerman,

Does your cardiologist give you drugs?

There you have it.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

My cardiologist is a recognized vascular surgeon who runs a dept at a major teaching hospital in Philly. Hes told me many times that his family came across the Mexican border to America by his father overstaying a work visa where his father was employed as a seasonal ag worker in Pa Md and Maine during the 1950's. Id like to hve these kinds of "criminals" as my neighbors rather than these judgmental douche bags who see that the world is made up only of their righteous kind and lower criminal castes.
Was Bernie Madoff a Mexican?

The problem is that the legitimate migration stories are functioning as a whitewash for all the trafficking and exploitation going on.

Until we acknowledge that there is exploitation and abuse going on, border-permeability is going to be more of a threat than an opportunity for honest people.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

Does your cardiologist give you drugs?

There you have it.

Yep. There you have it.

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@maporsche,

maporsche wrote:

oralloy wrote:
maxdancona wrote:
There will be no wall.

There will be no DACA fix. My condolences.

DACA kids are fine for at least the next 2 years. By then, we hopefully will have a Democratic president to fix it.
Trumps offer was like his hair, all fluff.

Chief Justice Roberts is writing the majority opinion in the DACA case.

As soon as Mr Trump is reelected I suspect that the Democrats will regret not making a deal with Mr. Trump trading DACA for his wall.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

maporsche wrote:
oralloy wrote:
maxdancona wrote:
There will be no wall.

There will be no DACA fix. My condolences.

DACA kids are fine for at least the next 2 years. By then, we hopefully will have a Democratic president to fix it.
Trumps offer was like his hair, all fluff.

Chief Justice Roberts is writing the majority opinion in the DACA case.

As soon as Mr Trump is reelected I suspect that the Democrats will regret not making a deal with Mr. Trump trading DACA for his wall.

That makes the wall sound like ransom to buy freedom for the DACA dreamers, but I don't see it that way.

The wall is about trafficking of drugs and 'human capital.'

DACA was about getting non-citizens to register with the government in hopes of not getting deported sooner. It is not immunity from deportation but merely deferment. It's basically like a plea-deal for people who were brought someplace as children, raised there, and then realized they don't actually have citizenship because they haven't been born or naturalized as citizens.

So DACA was never a good thing for the people it was supposed to help. It was a political compromise that put the dreamers in an awkward position of having their deportation deferred and then having to decide whether to gamble on a future in one country or another based on a deferment.

Democrats who would be willing to consent to a wall they don't want in order to get deferred deportation of dreamers would be gambling with the dreamers' future prospects while making it easier for traffickers to further abuse the border and people whose lives extend to both sides of it.

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@livinglava,

You do know that the majority of illegal drugs come by way of the border check points and are not carry over the border at other locations or do you?

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https://www.npr.org/2019/04/06/710712195/how-do-illegal-drugs-cross-the-u-s-mexico-border

NPR's Michel Martin talks to Gil Kerlikowske, former commissioner of U.S. Customs and Border Protection, about how illicit drugs end up in the United States.

KERLIKOWSKE: So the drugs that are actually taking the lives of people here in the United States - methamphetamine, cocaine, heroin, fentanyl - almost universally come through the ports of entry along the southern border - so that is people that carry them on their bodies or even in their bodies or cars or vehicles. And then the second way is through the international postal mail service.

MARTIN: And when you say most, what do you mean? Like, 50 percent, 60 percent, 90 percent?

KERLIKOWSKE: Oh, well over 90 percent. People don't backpack or try to sneak those drugs across the border between the ports of entry because, one, they could be caught by the Border Patrol. Number two, they don't really trust those people to do that. So it's much better for them to have somebody that is taking the drugs through a port of entry where they're met on the other side of the port here in the United States, and those drugs are immediately taken.

MARTIN: So you're saying, basically, virtually all of it comes through legal ports of entry.

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