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How (and when) will the Government Shutdown end?

 
 
maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jan, 2019 08:01 pm
@oralloy,
Sure I won't argue the past... and arguing the future is silly. So let's stop here.
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jan, 2019 08:24 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

When Democrats blatantly blocked all of W's nominees in 2007-08, did the Republicans forgive and forget, or did they block Obama's Supreme Court pick and give it to a Republican president?

Your lie or (is it ignorance) is utterly atrocious. A five year old could have easily fact checked your terrible mistake.
Courts of Appeals
https://imgur.com/S6iTuti.jpg

District Court
https://imgur.com/FqZ0TfO.jpg
George W. Bush appointees


There are a crap ton of unanimous confirmations at the end of 2007 and throughout 2008.

Lies like this should get you banned from a2k. It won't but it should.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jan, 2019 08:59 pm
@tsarstepan,
tsarstepan wrote:
Your lie or (is it ignorance) is utterly atrocious. A five year old could have easily fact checked your terrible mistake.
As usual, everything that I said is the truth.

"Since Democrats took control of Congress a year ago, the battle of wills over nominations has left many high-level vacancies unfilled throughout the federal government. For example, the Federal Election Commission is unable to act officially because it does not have the required quorum."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/politico-now/2008/02/bush-ups-the-ante-in-nomination-fight-005990
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2019 02:07 am
@tsarstepan,
I don't think Oralloy knows what facts are. He makes **** like this up all the time, then in the same breath claims nobody can point out a single fact he's got wrong. He can't reason and doesn't seem to understand the basic issues, he's got some sort of mental condition so there's no point talking to him.

What's worrying is his obsession with guns, it's his neighbours I feel sorry for. Someone that unstable shouldn't be allowed sharp scissors let alone anything else.
tsarstepan
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2019 06:45 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

tsarstepan wrote:
Your lie or (is it ignorance) is utterly atrocious. A five year old could have easily fact checked your terrible mistake.
As usual, everything that I said is the truth.


oralloy wrote:

When Democrats blatantly blocked all of W's nominees in 2007-08, did the Republicans forgive and forget, or did they block Obama's Supreme Court pick and give it to a Republican president?

Your elementary math skills are atrocious as well.

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"Since Democrats took control of Congress a year ago, the battle of wills over nominations has left many high-level vacancies unfilled throughout the federal government. For example, the Federal Election Commission is unable to act officially because it does not have the required quorum."

That's one office. That's not ALL Bush's nominees.

Safe to say that Mitch McConnell left far more vacancies in the Obama admin than ever recorded in US history. So another numbers game loss for your argument?
Trump thanks Obama for leaving so many judicial vacancies

Conservatives: No more Obama nominees
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On Monday evening, something exceptional happened in the Senate: Lawmakers confirmed a Circuit Court judge nominated by President Barack Obama. Luis Felipe Restrepo of Pennsylvania became only the second Circuit Court judge approved in the past year, and the 12th federal judge overall, an approval rate slower than any time since 1969.

Now, conservatives are demanding that Restrepo — who had a critical booster in GOP Sen. Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania — be the last Obama nominee confirmed before the president leaves office.

That was in January 2016. Leaving 11 months of the year with nominees blocked.
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Blocking nominations has often been a unifying objective for McConnell’s conference, particularly after Democrats under then-Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) jammed through more than 100 judges when they last controlled the chamber. In retaliation, McConnell is setting a new low for confirming presidential nominees: In 2015, the Senate confirmed 173 total civilian nominees, according to the Congressional Research Service, about 100 fewer than were confirmed in 2007 when a Democratic Senate took over during the last two years of George W. Bush’s presidency.

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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2019 08:59 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

The same will be true if Trump is denied a State of the Union address.

You really are ahistorical in your near historical illiteracy.

The State of the Union address for over 100 years has been given in written form prior to Woodrow Wilson's speech in 1913.
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Instead, the address was written and then sent to Congress to be read by a clerk until 1913 when Woodrow Wilson re-established the practice despite some initial controversy, and an in-person address to Congress has been delivered nearly every year since.

One:
The State of the Union isn't being denied to Trump.
1. He can write it down and publicize it around the country.
2. Read it in speech form.
A. From a third party location or the Oval office, etc....
B. End the shutdown sooner than later and still have the State of the Union as presented ... in the halls of Congress.

The ball has always been in his court regarding the status of the address.
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revelette1
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2019 09:39 am
We are in this stupid shutdown because Trump is having tantrum over his wall funding in which hardly anyone wants. I can understand democrats and others who have said Pelosi gives in just to end the shutdown so those who have working without pay will get paid, that will leave the door open for Trump to pull the stunt again over something he may want or for another president to do the same. Meanwhile, though, what to do about Federal workers who have been slaves for Trump's wall? It is a horrible situation which is all Trump's fault. Even Fox has a poll out which shows more people blame Trump for this shutdown than anyone else. It is time for McConnel to step up and give the bill to Trump which has already passed and let Trump veto it, and then Congress can override it. Neither one of the bills coming up today is going to do an ounce of good.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2019 09:45 am
More people have moved to full furlough status this week. Utter b.s. that people's livelihoods and families are caught up in this political crap. Utter b.s. So many American businesses are impacted by this. I guess if you've got family $ it doesn't register, or matter. Such b.s.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2019 10:28 am
@ehBeth,
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that people's livelihoods and families are caught up in this political crap.

Like those Americans who had the nerve to end up dead at the hands of illegals?
Canada is planning to take in a million more refugees in the next three years. You concern for your country seems to be nil.

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Canada is going to take in more than 1 million new immigrants in the next 3 years

Of course any Canadians that die from immigrant crime will be roundly ignored so more refugees can be imported.
https://www.businessinsider.com/canada-wants-more-than-1-million-new-immigrants-2019-1
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Real Music
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2019 10:53 am
McConnell blocks bill to reopen most of government.


Published January 24, 2019
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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) blocked legislation on Wednesday that would reopen most of the government currently closed during the partial shutdown.

Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.) went to the Senate floor to ask for consent to take up the House-passed bill that would fund every agency and department impacted by the partial shutdown, except the Department of Homeland Security, through Sept. 30.

McConnell, however, objected. It's the fourth time he's blocked the bill to reopen most of government. He has also blocked, as recently as Tuesday, a House-passed bill to fund the Department of Homeland Security through Feb. 8.

Democrats have been coming to the floor on a near-daily basis while the Senate is in session to try to bring up the House package, even though the GOP leader has said he will not allow them to come to the Senate floor.

Under Senate rules any one senator can try to pass a bill, but any one senator can also object.

The partial government shutdown, which is currently in its 33rd day, is impacting roughly a quarter of the government and forcing approximately 800,000 employees to work without pay or be furloughed.

The back-and-forth on the floor comes a day before the Senate is expected to hold votes on dueling proposals that would fully reopen the government.

The first proposal, which is backed by the White House, includes $5.7 billion for the wall in exchange for a three-year extension of protections for Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program recipients and some Temporary Protected Status holders.

McConnell is publicly pushing Democrats to support that proposal, even though it's expected to fall short of the 60 votes needed to break a filibuster.

"The president went out of his way to include additional items that have been priority areas for Democrats," McConnell said on Wednesday.

If that White House-backed measure does not get 60 votes, the Senate will then take a second vote on a proposal to temporarily reopen the government with a continuing resolution (CR) through Feb. 8.

Democrats say that President Trump has to reopen the government before they will negotiate. They worry that making a deal while the government is closed would set the precedent for shutting down the government as a negotiating tactic.

But that bill is also unlikely to get 60 votes. The Senate passed a CR to fund a quarter of the government through Feb. 8 by voice vote late last year, but Trump then came out against the measure.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mcconnell-blocks-bill-to-reopen-most-of-government/ar-BBSEgo5?ocid=UE13DHP
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2019 11:00 am
@Real Music,
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McConnell blocks bill to reopen most of government.

That is good thing. Thanks for letting us know.
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revelette1
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2019 12:54 pm
@oralloy,
You would have saved yourself the time if simply said, I disagree with everything in your post. Trump has refused to accept less fifty some billion he has asked for the dumb wall. Democrats are not in favor of funding for an actual wall, but they are in favor of security measures along the border (including the southern border. There really is no where to negotiate on those two opposing viewpoints. Trump should not have used the Government budget to take hostages for his wall funding. He should have funded the government and then continued to talk about compromises. But since he didn't get his way, he pouted his lips and folded up his arms and said, he would be proud to own the shutdown. Well, here it is. He owns it.

There are already structures in place, fencing, those could be reinforced and perhaps some fencing put up at other places and other technical security measures put in place where needed. Those are sensible compromises. Trump just wants a blank check with no real planning out what is needed and what is not. It's wasteful and the money he is asking for would not even be enough to build a whole wall along the southern border.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2019 01:00 pm
@revelette1,
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It's wasteful and the money he is asking for would not even be enough to build a whole wall along the southern border.

So spending over a 100 billion a year on illegals is not wasteful?
maporsche
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2019 01:39 pm
@coldjoint,
Does building the wall make the 11,000,000 undocumented immigrants in the country disappear?

Cause if not, then that unsourced 100 billion you keep on bringing up doesn’t matter.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2019 01:48 pm
@maporsche,
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Does building the wall make the 11,000,000 undocumented immigrants in the country disappear?

Did I say that? No.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2019 02:55 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:
You would have saved yourself the time if simply said, I disagree with everything in your post.
That's not my style. I prefer to present an argument as to why each point that I disagree with is untrue.

revelette1 wrote:
Trump has refused to accept less fifty some billion he has asked for the dumb wall. Democrats are not in favor of funding for an actual wall, but they are in favor of security measures along the border (including the southern border. There really is no where to negotiate on those two opposing viewpoints.
Negotiations are the only way that the government is going to reopen.

revelette1 wrote:
Trump should not have used the Government budget to take hostages for his wall funding.
The Democrats should not have used the government budget to take hostages for their opposition to Trump.

revelette1 wrote:
He should have funded the government and then continued to talk about compromises.
With the Democrats refusing to compromise? No.

revelette1 wrote:
But since he didn't get his way, he pouted his lips and folded up his arms and said, he would be proud to own the shutdown. Well, here it is. He owns it.
Let me know when the Democrats are ready to compromise.

revelette1 wrote:
There are already structures in place, fencing, those could be reinforced and perhaps some fencing put up at other places and other technical security measures put in place where needed. Those are sensible compromises. Trump just wants a blank check with no real planning out what is needed and what is not. It's wasteful and the money he is asking for would not even be enough to build a whole wall along the southern border.
Trump does not agree with your assessment.
 

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