How (and when) will the Government Shutdown end?

Illegal killers versus Yogi Bear? Yogi will have to wait.

Well... ICE agents aren't getting paid, and they will have to wait for their pay until Trump either capitulates or declares a national emergency.

Good luck, he already has. Or the Democrats could say he did. It shows the wall scares them because the results of that wall be noticeable very quickly. Plus it stops the flow of illegals and they really can't have that.

The idea is to sign funding bills for the few limited services that are absolutely needed, while permanently trimming all other services from the federal government.

I think it addresses the problem. Non-essential services can close down and stay closed down.

"Let's close the place down and see if anybody notices."

Do you know if the ‘president’ gets paid?

Why would either side do that. Trump is refusing to sign the bills being passed by the House (and McConnell is refusing to even bring them up for a vote).

Trump is doing this because by not funding the government (meaning no one gets paid) he thinks he can force the Congress to pay for his wall. If Trump had dictatorial powers, he could find whatever he wants.

He doesn't. And so we have the shutdown.

Trump has decided not to take his pay.

I believe that pay for the president and Congress arent part of the appropriations process meaning that they aren't impacted by the shutdown.

The law behind the shutdown is the anti-deficiency act. You can read about it. It is a matter of law... the rules aren't being made up.

This is what I find so disturbing, which is also the same with the tariffs, travel bans, etc.

There are business people who have business plans in place that rely on regular transactions for their investors, and if those transactions depend on illegal border crossings and trafficking-shipments, there is a political motivation to prevent those crossings from being obstructed.

I think people tend to think of the illegal drug- and human- trafficking industries as being disorganized, without intelligent management and accounting, etc.

It's disturbing to think that the value of a human being as a container for drug shipping or as a living sex doll or whatever is factored into a corporate model and things like illegal border crossing strategies, political bribes and media campaigns to block unfavorable political/legal developments, etc. are all dealt with by corporate methods.

There used to be many liberals who were critical of corporate business. That was before they realized they could just tax it and become a beneficiary of it instead of fighting it. Still, I don't think those on the left who are critical of corporations are ever thinking about trafficking and other organized crime as being just another corporate regime.

Really they just don't think about it at all because they are more interested in the parties, celebrity intrigue, porn, and other liberal culture that is generated by distributing recreational drugs to people whose moral resistance has been widdled down by a barrage of liberal media products that amount to propaganda for hedonism and all the lifestyle choices that come with it.

Trump might want to do it because it is a good way to slim down the federal government. And the Democrats can be blamed for causing it with their refusal to compromise if anyone complains about it.

If Trump decided to sign one or two of them, McConnell would bring that one or two up for a vote and get them to Trump's desk.

True, however increased workload without an increase in pay causes undue stress, which causes people to leave their positions. A vicious cycle that there is no clear answer.



The Majority Senate leader's job is to make bills and hand them to the president to sign into law, regardless if a veto is imminent. This shows McConnell is not doing his job and should be replaced at the earliest convenience with someone who can lead the Senate in doing the job they were elected to do,

Maybe if institutions are understaffed. But simply closing down institutions completely should not cause this problem.

Not if he doesn't agree with those bills.

The people who elected Republican senators did not send them there to pass bills that Republicans oppose.

Thanks.

I think I agree. Pelosi is just being stubborn in this case and I think it is going to go bad for democrats if she does not agree with the deal. I don't like the three year time limit either, but, I think it is clear most Americans want Dreamers to stay and in three years, or even less, I imagine that will be fixed. I think Pelosi should compromise and go for the deal and seven democrats in the Senate should go for the deal as well. The whole thing is silly and didn't need to happen and it is all Trump's fault for holding the Federal workers hostage for a wall nobody except a few far right wingers wanted, but, we need to end this and at least immigrants gets something out of it.

No way is the House going to support 5+ billion for a wall. 1.x billion and a DACA hold might work, but Trump has backed himself into a corner and can't take less than 5 billion. The Fox talking heads were already giving him grief about "amnesty" yesterday and his proposal was pretty weak.

The DACA kids are already safe for the next two years. The Supreme Court rejected the Trump push of getting DACA on their agenda this year. So it would be next year at the earliest, IF they decide to hear the case.

Trump tried to give Democrats something they’re already winning.

Perhaps, however, this shutdown needs to end now, Trump is not going to give up his wall, he is fixated on it. Federal workers need to get paid, now, not two weeks or even longer. I think Pelosi should at least allow it to be put to the vote so the government can be opened. I am betting more democrats go for it just to open the government. If they don't, most Americans will not even know those distinctions ya'll mentioned, all they will see is, "now it is Democrats being stubborn." Which is really not the point, the point is, no matter what, the government needs to open; the Federal workers who have not been paid, need to get paid, with backpay owing to them.

Did he repeat Saturday he won't take less than 5 billion?

Nonsense Revellette.

Your argument seems to be that since Trump is such a stubborn ass, the Democrats have to give into anything he wants.

That isnt how democracy works.

The Democrats are asking a very simple question...

If we are going to trade DACA for border wall money, why don't we just open the government and then work out a fair deal?

Why does the government need to be shut down while they negotiate?

Because we are not dealing with a rational human being, if we were, the shutdown never would have been shutdown over 5 billion for a border wall. Unless he gets money for the border wall (maybe he will relent on the amount) there will be no deal to open the government and the Federal workers will continue to work for no pay, which is about as unAmerican as you can get. Right now, Trump is catching most of negative reaction from the public, that will change if Democrats are seen as not even willing to come to the table unless the government opens first. Trump actually offered something, that will be what the public will see and more Federal workers will start blaming the democrats, rightfully so.

impressions are reality, so no matter what, the Dems look as culpable as do the GOPers.
Someone MUST become the grownup to free the hostages. no matter who wins or loses. If both appear stubborn, ALL the voters will remember. I know I will