@Brandon9000,
....you cut out all the important parts of my statement. Why?
Is it because you now agree after I clearly laid it out, that quoting a simple statistic can indeed be racist for the various reasons I articulated?
I'll assume yes, because you seem to be an intelligent guy.
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
For someone who never backs up his pro-Plump bullshit, you've got a gall to demand that others provide you links.
First of all, your statement that I have never backed up the dozens of posts I have made here involving Trump is nonsense. Second, it's really fascinating that you would say I've got "gall" to request that others back up their assertions with evidence, since that is the well known basis of debate.
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:1. He didn't ever say the first of those quotations. If you disagree, give me a link to it.
2. As for the second quotation, being a Muslim is not a race. If you can convert to it and can convert from it, it isn't a race.
However, in view of the number of fatal attacks committed in the past few years by Muslim extremists, banning them temporarily from entering the country would have been a debatable point. I may be going out on a limb here, but I think there was something about the dead and maimed bodies flying through the air that he considered undesirable. Anyway, as I assume you know, he eventually settled on a temporary ban on people from parts of the world which are hotbeds of Islamic extremism and from which adequate biographical paperwork on would be visitors is not usually available.
Here's your link:
https://www.newsday.com/news/nation/donald-trump-speech-debates-and-campaign-quotes-1.11206532
1.QUOTE: "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
WHEN AND WHERE: Trump made the remarks as he announced his run for the Republican nomination for president at Trump Tower Atrium in Manhattan on June 16, 2015 -- setting the tone for an unpredictable and polarizing campaign.t carrier USS Yorktown in Mount Pleasant, S.C....
Did you not bother to read your own citation? Trump isn't saying that "Mexicans are criminals and rapists," as cicerone imposter misquoted. He's saying that some Mexicans are criminals and rapists. For that matter, some Americans are criminals and rapists. Please supply a quotation to Trump saying that "Mexicans are criminals and rapists."
@Brandon9000,
why dont we just focus on catching th bad guys rather than indicting an entire continent
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:
....you cut out all the important parts of my statement. Why?
Is it because you now agree after I clearly laid it out, that quoting a simple statistic can indeed be racist for the various reasons I articulated?
I'll assume yes, because you seem to be an intelligent guy.
No, it's because you tried to support your position about statistics by referring to something that is not a statistic.
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:why dont we just focus on catching th bad guys rather than indicting an entire continent
First of all, who indicted an entire continent? Secondly, president Trump, as the head of the executive branch of government, is acting quite properly by trying to stop people from entering our country illegally.
@Brandon9000,
You need to study the facts on illegal immigrants. It’s useless to argue about any topic, when you lack factual information. FYI, statistics provide us with the trend on illegal immigrants. That’s why it’s important to learn if it’s a crisis. Most illegal immigrants come through legal points of entry. Many overstay their tourist visa. "Homeland Security: More than 600,000 foreigners overstayed U.S. visas in 2017
Alan Gomez, USA TODAY Published 2:44 p.m. ET Aug. 7,
2018https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/08/07/dhs-foreigners-overstayed-visas-2017/924316002/." Illegal immigration rose in 2008, and is now dropping.
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:You need to study the facts on illegal immigrants. It’s useless to argue about any topic, when you lack factual information. FYI, statistics provide us with the trend on illegal immigrants. That’s why it’s important to learn if it’s a crisis. Most illegal immigrants come through legal points of entry. Many overstay their tourist visa. "Homeland Security: More than 600,000 foreigners overstayed U.S. visas in 2017
Alan Gomez, USA TODAY Published 2:44 p.m. ET Aug. 7,
2018https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/08/07/dhs-foreigners-overstayed-visas-2017/924316002/." Illegal immigration rose in 2008, and is now dropping.
Thanks for making a non-rant post. However:
(1) no one has the right to either enter our country illegally or remain in it illegally.
(2) Since there are already 11 million people in our country illegally, many of whom entered illegally, it's reasonable to stop them with a physical barrier. That will at least reduce the problem permanently. The other people here illegally who overstayed visas should be deported.
Our immigration laws, coupled with some judicial decisions extending constitutional rights to people observed illegally entering the country, have together created a situation in which our immigration laws themselves are not practically enforceable.
An observable feature of any society or organization of humans is that the failure to enforce any law or standard enacted by that organization threatens conformance (particularly voluntary conformance) with all of the laws. I learned this myself, as a matter of practical fact, while leading large organizations.
An example is the so called "broken windows" police work applied in New York a few decades ago which was extraordinarily successful in bringing down crime rates and encouraging voluntary public conformance with,m and enforcement of, the laws that protected the safety of everyone in the city.
Whatever may be the priorities one wishes to apply to the very large numbers of people around the world who seek entry into this country, there must be an organized means of effectively enforcing them, and ejecting those who seek to thwart them. We haven't had that for a very long time, and, as a result, have become an attractive target for illegal entry and the criminal activities that attend it. An increasingly chaotic situation on our southern border has resulted with criminal coyotes exploiting illegal entrants (and all that entails) rampant smuggling of drugs, and the recent spectacle of caravans from Central America. This level of chaos quite obviously threatens our civil order throughout the country. Experience teaches us that, unless corrected this will get worse.
Recent news reports of gasoline shortages in some parts of Mexico that resulted from the government's shutdown of pipelines due to the widespread systematic theft of petroleum by crime cartels, should remind us that such breakdown of public order does occur across our southern border and that it can easily be exported here.
Recovery, quite obviously, starts with control of the border itself. The intransigent opposition of current Democrat leaders, in addition to being obviously hypocritical relative to their own previous actions, is a dangerous threat to public order motivated by their apparent desperation to regain political dominance.
I've lived near and worked with the immigrants most of my life and find them to be every bit as upstanding as citizens. They contribute to the economy and when people complain, "But they are taking our jobs," I have to ask the ones asking, "Yes? So what do you do for a living?" There is a humanitarian crisis in those countries to our south and much of it is as a result of the US govt. meddling and forcing regime changes and economic hardships. Human migration in bad times is a human right that no law can contain.
@edgarblythe,
It’s the same here in CA. Without the workers from Mexico, our farms will not have enough workers, and the consequence of that is less food and jobs connected to the production and delivery of that food. When we were children, all my brothers and I worked on the farms in the summer to earn money. Worked along side Mexicans and Blacks, but not whites.
@Brandon9000,
Brandon9000 wrote:1.QUOTE: "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
WHEN AND WHERE: Trump made the remarks as he announced his run for the Republican nomination for president at Trump Tower Atrium in Manhattan on June 16, 2015 -- setting the tone for an unpredictable and polarizing campaign.t carrier USS Yorktown in Mount Pleasant, S.C....
Maybe you should go back to school and learn a command of the English language. Trump isn't using similes, he's actually declaring Mexicans as rapists. There's no getting around that.
When you assume...
You just make an ass out of yourself.
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:
Maybe you should go back to school and learn a command of the English language. Trump isn't using similes, he's actually declaring Mexicans as rapists. There's no getting around that.
You quoted the following: "They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
He said, "some, I assume, are good people." So he's not saying that ALL people in the category, "Mexican," are rapists; just those that are rapists. Isn't that fair to say?
What you should be concerned about are the people who don't care whether people are good or bad; as long as they're foreign, they want them out. That is a worse mentality because it doesn't recognize that everyone is a human being who can be either good or bad, criminal and exploitative or respectful and decent.
@livinglava,
These word games are silly. We should all know who Trump is by his history. He's a racial bigot, pathological liar, scammer, and wife cheater. For some people, he may be qualified to be president of this country, but most of those people are ignorant about our country's history, the US Constitution, and who in our past were good presidents. We have too many of "them" who supports Trump.
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:Trump isn't using similes, he's actually declaring Mexicans as rapists. There's no getting around that.
No he isn't. He is declaring that some illegal immigrants are rapists.
And going by the number of illegal immigrants who are raped, some of them are indeed rapists.
@oralloy,
By that logic, Trump supporters are rapists.
(People who are from Mexico do take offense at this.)
@oralloy,
Quote:No he isn't. He is declaring that some illegal immigrants are rapists.
. That's supposed to have some informational value? When does any government prejudge people as rapists? People coming into the US are vetted. That's the best policy any country can have - unless you have a better idea. The US is experiencing the aging of its population, and we need more young people in this country to maintain our economy and the support of seniors. Most bigots forget, the majority of us are descendants of immigrants.
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:That's supposed to have some informational value?
Well it is a true and factual statement offered as a correction of an untrue statement.
cicerone imposter wrote:People coming into the US are vetted.
Which agency vets illegal immigrants?
Trump supporters ARE rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.
