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For all Trump supporters

 
 
maporsche
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2019 08:51 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:
your ignorance.
You cannot point out a single fact that I am wrong about.


You're not correctly responding to his comment. He said you were ignorant in that post, not wrong.

A guy with an IQ as high as yours should know the difference, I'd think.
maporsche
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2019 08:54 am
@Baldimo,
Having worked in nursing home as the charge nurse, I'd say 90% of the nursing assistants who worked under me were immigrants and most spoke English as a second language.

This same dynamic held true in the other 3-4 nursing homes I worked in.

We haven't even reached peak aging of the baby boomers yet.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2019 12:08 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
oralloy

Re: cicerone imposter (Post 6786712)
Perjury in a civil trial.
Perjury before a grand jury.
Obstruction of justice (sending Betty Currie out to hide the gifts that he had given to Monica Lewinsky from investigators).
Witness tampering (coaching Betty Currie on how she should testify).
Sexual harassment (Paula Jones).
Sexual assault (Kathleen Willey).
Rape (Juanita Broaddrick).
So, in your thinking, sex is the worst crime of a president. That figures. Forget about our security, our economy, wars, presidential rankings of political scientists, and their bigotry and lies.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2019 05:31 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Rape and sex are not quite the same thing.

Perjury, witness tampering, and obstruction of justice are not the same thing as sex either.

If economy and security make crimes irrelevant when they are committed by Democratic presidents, then crimes committed by Republican presidents are likewise irrelevant.

I almost wish that Trump had committed a crime just so we could leave him in office and not punish him.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2019 05:32 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:
oralloy wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
your ignorance.
You cannot point out a single fact that I am wrong about.
You're not correctly responding to his comment.
I disagree.

maporsche wrote:
He said you were ignorant in that post, not wrong.
If I am ignorant on this subject, how come everything that I say about it is 100% correct?

And if something that I say about this subject is supposedly incorrect, how come no one can point out this error?

maporsche wrote:
A guy with an IQ as high as yours should know the difference, I'd think.
I think I've got it handled.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2019 07:30 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Rape and sex are not quite the same thing.
. Who said they were?
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2019 08:38 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Well, you replied to a claim of rape by saying "So, in your thinking, sex is the worst crime of a president."
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2019 09:37 pm
@oralloy,
What are you talking about? Bill and Monica's relationship was not rape by any definition of the word. Which politician's rape are you talking about?
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2019 10:46 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Perjury in a civil trial.

Perjury before a grand jury.

Obstruction of justice (sending Betty Currie out to hide the gifts that he had given to Monica Lewinsky from investigators).

Witness tampering (coaching Betty Currie on how she should testify).

Sexual harassment (Paula Jones).

Sexual assault (Kathleen Willey).

Rape (Juanita Broaddrick).


http://able2know.org/topic/480032-14#post-6786716
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 11 Feb, 2019 09:35 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

Two points.

1) This video was from before the 2016 election. Trump won this election, gaining the votes of tens of millions of women, after this tape was made public.

2) The reason that Trump won the election is because the left was seen as more offensive than Donald Trump. People looked at Trump, and they looked at Hillary... and almost half of them decided that Hillary was worse.

3) Hillary lost the election by calling Trump supporters "Deplorables". It was at this very movement when she lost any ability to reach out to middle America.

4) You are repeating Hillary's mistake by attacking Trump Supporters rather than reaching out to them. Calling people "ignorant morons" is not a very good way to win their votes.

5) Democrats have just over 2 years to clean up their act. Screaming angry women and insults on voter's intelligence are just what Trump needs to win again. He doesn't have to be likable... he only has to be less detestable than the left.


LOL given that some women did voted for Trump might be a good argument to support the right position that they should not be allow to control their own reproduction systems without male government oversight.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 11 Feb, 2019 09:42 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

Two points.

1) This video was from before the 2016 election. Trump won this election, gaining the votes of tens of millions of women, after this tape was made public.

2) The reason that Trump won the election is because the left was seen as more offensive than Donald Trump. People looked at Trump, and they looked at Hillary... and almost half of them decided that Hillary was worse.

3) Hillary lost the election by calling Trump supporters "Deplorables". It was at this very movement when she lost any ability to reach out to middle America.

4) You are repeating Hillary's mistake by attacking Trump Supporters rather than reaching out to them. Calling people "ignorant morons" is not a very good way to win their votes.

5) Democrats have just over 2 years to clean up their act. Screaming angry women and insults on voter's intelligence are just what Trump needs to win again. He doesn't have to be likable... he only has to be less detestable than the left.


Footnote the Russians dump the hack emails and ran a anti social media campaign Hillary right after the Hollywood tape came out like a cat covering over his ................
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 11 Feb, 2019 09:46 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

The way that Trump wins a second term is pretty clear to see.

Outraged screaming liberals, many in pink hats, are going to push the candidates in the primary past extremism into rage. You will have Kamala Harris, and Kristen Gillebrand jumping over themselves to get the engraged White woman vote.

Trump will be Trump. He will mock the antics of the primary. Again, White voters in middle America will look at Trump with disgust, and look at the identity politics with angst... and enough of them will choose Trump to give him another term.

The 2020 election is a race to the bottom.





My question is his campaign staff going to be allow to support and work for Trump from their jail cells?
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sun 17 Mar, 2019 01:36 am
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:

Brandon9000 wrote:
1.QUOTE: "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

WHEN AND WHERE: Trump made the remarks as he announced his run for the Republican nomination for president at Trump Tower Atrium in Manhattan on June 16, 2015 -- setting the tone for an unpredictable and polarizing campaign.t carrier USS Yorktown in Mount Pleasant, S.C....


Maybe you should go back to school and learn a command of the English language. Trump isn't using similes, he's actually declaring Mexicans as rapists. There's no getting around that.

When you assume...

You just make an ass out of yourself.


Didn't see this until now.

That's not what he said. He said that some of the people who come here illegally are criminals, including rapists, and some are good people. He certainly isn't saying that all Mexicans are rapists.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sun 17 Mar, 2019 01:38 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
By that logic, Trump supporters are rapists.

(People who are from Mexico do take offense at this.)

No, by that logic some Trump supporters are rapists, an assertion that must certainly be true, since we're talking about millions of people.
livinglava
 
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Reply Sun 17 Mar, 2019 09:51 am
@Brandon9000,
Brandon9000 wrote:

maxdancona wrote:
By that logic, Trump supporters are rapists.

(People who are from Mexico do take offense at this.)

No, by that logic some Trump supporters are rapists, an assertion that must certainly be true, since we're talking about millions of people.

Let me take a shot at this: maybe naming a specific national identity, e.g. 'Mexicans,' is not exactly fair regarding attribution of trans-national crime like rape or anything else; but the fact remains that for ALL humans at the global level, there is a trend toward validating international exploitation to an extent that intranational abuse is regarded differently than its international counterpart. The reason has to do with in-group favoritism/protection vs. out-group hate/exploitation.

This is a form of collectivism/socialism that is about the same as racism, but it is sadly a reality that is not limited to the level of governments discriminating against foreign citizens with border control and the like. In fact, we have to realize that non-racist/xenophobic border police are the best way to protect legitimate migrants while also working to stop people who are migrating to get away with exploitation and abuses that they would not procure against people with whom they share the same national identity, for whatever reason.

Of course 'rapism' is not only something people of Mexican identity do when migrating through the US. There are numerous travel destinations where people go for various forms of indulgence in sexual abuse/exploitation. In this sense, US tourists/migrants are rapists as much as Mexican migrants/tourists. Despite that fact, it does not make sense to reduce vigilance against such sexual violence by failing to legislate and enforce fair, respectful border control. If border/migration control is a tool that can stop or reduce rape and other forms of abuse, why should we argue against it?

To answer that: the reason why we can legitimately and should argue against borders is that they confirm and fuel the larger collectivist/nationalist sentiments that stimulate exploitation and abuses like the practice of sex-tourism and 'rapism' when perpetrators think they can get away with it because they are not locally recognized. E.g. why would rapists feel more comfortable or empowered raping foreigners than those who share their own national identity except because of nationalism? When someone is biased toward regarding women who share their national identity, racial identity, or other collective/ethnic/political identity as 'sisters,' but they regard all other women as whores, lust objects, etc. that sets up a cultural situation where migration becomes a means and legitimation for abuse instead of a responsible act of liberty.

Sadly, the public doesn't respond well to complex explanations like this one so someone like Trump knows how to address the public in a way they can understand, i.e. by saying that "Mexicans are rapists." When a headline-making statement like that hits the media, it becomes a hot potato that many people pass around and discuss. As such, it stimulates constructive discussion about racism/nationalism, stereotyping, etc. that prompts many people to think more deeply about what it means to say that "group X are rapists/criminals/etc."

Intelligent people should already be aware that individuals are not and should not be defined by group identities, but for those who are still teetering on collectivism, it is important for them to think about what it means to say that, "Mexicans are rapists," I.e. does it mean 'some' are? does it mean there is a higher propensity among Mexicans for rape than other nationalities? Or is it simply a statement to alert people to the potential for rape as a result of migration/tourism culture, which provides a justification for border control despite the racist/collectivism borders and migration control represent in and of themselves?

Yes, we should question any statement that "group X are Y" because it's generalization and stereotyping, but we should also think about how to stop and prevent rape and how to recognize patterns without lapsing into collective demonization of all people identified with a given group, category, or classification.
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