For all Trump supporters

Your likely employer Putin also agree with Trump so that should be the end of the question....LOL

I wonder if I should introduce her to Ol Grumpy. He too believes in much the same woo hoo as does she.

Theyd be perfect for each other and we can do a good deed to how her that not all Dems are evil.

These are all rather well-worn points, endlessly repeated by unthinking acolytes, but are they true? What is the factual basis for your unsupported assertion that a wall won't be at all effective? Our current system allows easy illegal entry, followed by claims for "asylum" that we are unable to evaluate or enforce due to the flood we are experiencing. The asylum rules were originally made to accommodate people subject to political persecution - now anything goes.

Even if a wall would keep them out 100% it is still immoral and unneeded. There is no greater criminal intent among these people than any other population on earth.

If his reputation was that bad, he wouldn't have 500 businesses. People wouldn't do business with him and he would be broke.


I never cared about his taxes, it was the leftist who cared about those. It was first to prove he wasn't as rich as he claimed, then it was to prove Russian collusion. I could care less to be honest. In fact I don't think a majority of Americans care, it's a big gotcha because Trump went after Obama's birth certificate. I didn't care about that either, I never bought into the birther circus.


I only wish they "fact checked" Obama as much as they "fact check" Trump. In fact I wish they fact checked all politicians on what they said, it won't happen the MSM has an agenda.


I don't admire Trump, but I do applaud the shutdown. If he re-opens the govt without guaranteed funding for the barrier, it will never be built. Congress has gotten to good at kicking the can down the road and not actually working on the problems faced by US citizens.


It's been a crisis for our country for far longer than Trump has been talking about it. We have needed a good southern barrier for decades. Everyone from Chuck Schumer to Nancy Pelosi have talked about illegal immigration and the southern border for decades, yet haven't done anything about it. Trump is holding their feet to the fire. I don't care if Mexico pays for it, it needs to be built, I talked about this for a very long time, even before Trump ran for President.


Let's be honest, he offered 1.8 million "dreamers" a deal a year ago, but it was rejected because of the "wall". That was 1 million more than than what the Dems asked for, but they rejected it. If there is anything dealing with a southern barrier, the left will reject it. It blocks free entry for future welfare recipients and the DNC needs voters.


Obstructionists. The DNC does not have the best interests of US citizens in their agenda, they care little what is best for us, they have proven this time and time again. The shutdown is going to prove this to the American people, if the MSM would only report the truth and stop being the mouth piece for the DNC and the leftist agenda.

Why do you dislike our sovereignty so much?


It has only effected 800,000 none essential federal workers. I've felt no effects from the shutdown, if it wasn't in the news, I'd never know it was happening.



Ha. If the govt shutdown is having an effect on your life, then it's you who put a strain on our country. Essential personal are working, it's only a partial shutdown. Everyone of those Federal workers will get back pay, even those who didn't work during the shutdown will get back pay.

The wall would only be immoral if it were used to keep the population, there is nothing immoral about protecting the borders of our nation from illegal entry. I would also say that if it kept out 100% of illegal immigrants, that it would be working and needed. That's the real fear behind the wall, it has nothing to do with morality and everything to do with it being successful.


So? We have a hard enough time taking care of US citizens, why bring more people into that situation? We have a right as a sovereign nation to create our own immigration standards. Unfettered immigration isn't a good thing with technology already starting to take over certain types of work and only more types of jobs in the future.

I have lived around and worked with these people most of my life. You can't bullshit me.

You are addressing the Mexican population as a whole. That evades the issue at hand. In fact Mexicans are very far from the majority of those currently illegally crossing our border. Most are from Honduras, El Salvador and, to a lesser extent, Guatemala. These countries have the highest murder rates in the world. Moreover increasingly the immigrants are accompanied by people from all over the world who have seized on as easy route in. In general we don't know who these people are but the likelihood of terrorists or international criminals appears very high.

I'm talking about people who came here across the border - not USA born. Some from Honduras used to tell me I was a fellow Honduran "passing."

In view of the murder rate in Honduras do you still claim they are relatively free of criminal intent? Perhaps more significantly is the obvious fact that the absence of effective controls on the border encourages others, many of whom likely have criminal or other dangerous intent.

One Mexican who worked for me needed no supervision to frame an entire house and do good work. It was difficult on payday, because he barely knew any English and he wrestled with the figures over and over, because he felt he had been cheated too many times. Sometimes he would get sent back to Mexico, but he would soon report for new jobs.

I am talking about people who flee a bad situation for survival.

No argument there. Most of the Mexican (and Central Americans) I know (and there are many) are very hard working folks interested mostly in the welfare and future of their families. Indeed they display all the characteristics we have long associated with immigrants. Unfortunately due the near complete absence of border controls they have been accompanied by members of criminal gangs, unknown others, and a very substantial smuggling operation involving cocaine and heroin.

It isn't necessary for us to have no controls at the border in order to admit deserving immigrants. Indeed our lack of control has created an environment in which criminal gangs and coyotes operate our immigration system on the Southern border.

I don't know which people you are talking about, you are being vague.

Did you know that all black women on welfare drive Cadillacs to the welfare office and go home to sumptuous banquets in better houses than any white people even dream of?

Merely a wisecrack having very little to do with our discussion. Below your usual standard.

If you were from Guatemala and wanted to murder people without much fear of repercussion...

Would you:
a) stay in Guatemala
b) illegally migrate to the country with the most incarcerated individuals in the world

Not really. People make up statistics and facts to feed their narrative and the actual emigrants are painted accordingly.

That occurs on both sides of this debate - as is evident in this thread.

Not so. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/05/politifact-lies-republicans-vs-democrats/314794/ You can see how those ratings break down for both parties in the pie charts at right. A majority of Democratic claims were rated true; a majority of Republican claims were rated false.