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Jeb Bush for prez "08"

 
 
Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 06:33 pm
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-07-29-gallup-poll_x.htm

read 'em and weep... take your time.... your cruisin' on the titanic baby.... even a rat knows when to desert a sinking ship.....
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Amigo
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 06:42 pm
I don't know who is more pathetic? Bush, or the people who still support him.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 08:01 pm
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
No genius, it means that you can't keep fooling people ( except for the purposeful dumb asses) but for so long.


oh really... sounds like wishful thinking...
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 08:02 pm
Amigo wrote:
I don't know who is more pathetic? Bush, or the people who still support him.


Or maybe the people who don't support him? Did that ever cross your mind?
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 08:05 pm
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-07-29-gallup-poll_x.htm

read 'em and weep... take your time.... your cruisin' on the titanic baby.... even a rat knows when to desert a sinking ship.....



That poll has a plus or minus 3 - 5 margin of error which basically means it probably has not changed a bit...

So what is your point?
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revel
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 06:37 am
The previous polls probably had about the same margin of error, they all have margins of error.

The unfavorable rating is higher than his favorable rating.

But even if it was about half even that is still a lot of Americans disapproving of the President. Half cannot be defined as the loony fringes of the left as has been said these last few years about any criticism of the President in the past.
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 06:42 am
Polls are garbage. Think about the historic inaccuracy of them. They rarely show how people truly think and feel, just based on the factors such as that they are only talking to a select few when these pollings are made and the select few are often times not evenly distributed throughout the nation or world so how accurate can it really be? Polls prior to Mr.Bush's re-election said the majority did not like him, nor would they vote for him and yet the final tally shows they did indedd vote for this good man, so the polls can all be tossed in the crapper and sent out to sea.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 06:43 am
revel wrote:
The previous polls probably had about the same margin of error, they all have margins of error.

The unfavorable rating is higher than his favorable rating.

But even if it was about half even that is still a lot of Americans disapproving of the President. Half cannot be defined as the loony fringes of the left as has been said these last few years about any criticism of the President in the past.


Yes they can be..... by the loony fringes of the right :wink:
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Amigo
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 11:16 am
Were the polls more accurate then the election?
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revel
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 11:35 am
What the before polls said before the elections and the insane fact of George Bush getting elected this time rather than appointed tells me is that we have a bunch of illogical people in America who think it is more important to stop that gay couple down the street from getting married than it is to elect a president qualified for the job.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 11:45 am
It's odd how sometimes members seem to talk to themselves...
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 11:46 am
...says McG to himself.
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 12:36 pm
revel wrote:
it is more important to stop that gay couple down the street from getting married than it is to elect a president qualified for the job.



I almost agree on both points and as a gay Repulsive, I mean, Republican voter who is not registered as a Republican I am sure this confuses the heck out of you since people think all gays are to prance into the voting booth in a line and with a swoosh in their step limp wristedly vote for Democrats only. It does not work that way and never will. The sad truth here for you though is I am not for gay marriage. Civil Unions yes, marriage no. In addition to this I find that Mr. Bush is very much qualified for his job and this has been repeatedly evidenced since he first took office in January of 2001. Hmmm... a gay man against marriage of same sex couples and for George? What is the world coming to?
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 12:46 pm
Re gay marriage: I came up with a solution to this issue that I'm sure will satisfy no one, but here goes:

I think the gov't should get out of the marriage business entirely. Let the churches handle it, and each church can decide who gets married. If you're gay and want to get married, then join a church that allows that.

What the gov't should do is assure that we all get the same rights and benefits. If a hetero gets health coverage for his/her spouse, then the same should be true for gay people. Call it civil union, call it whatever.

As I said, it makes sense to me, but I doubt it'll satisfy either side in this fight. Alas...
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revel
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 12:49 pm
Well, that is well and good that you are a gay man against gay marriages. However there are a lot gay couples who do want to get married and it is those couples who rights are being denied.

After the election polls were done and the moral issues such as gay marriage was the number one deciding issue that won the day for George Bush.

http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=233

Quote:
The survey findings parallel exit poll results showing that moral values is a top-tier issue for voters. But the relative importance of moral values depends greatly on how the question is framed. The post-election survey finds that, when moral values is pitted against issues like Iraq and terrorism, a plurality (27%) cites moral values as most important to their vote. But when a separate group of voters was asked to name ­ in their own words ­ the most important factor in their vote, significantly fewer (14%) mentioned moral values. Regardless of how the question is asked, the survey shows that moral values is the most frequently cited issue for Bush voters, but is seldom mentioned by Kerry voters.

In addition, those who cite moral values as a major factor offer varying interpretations of the concept. More than four-in-ten (44%) of those who chose moral values as the most important factor in their vote from the list of issues say the term relates to specific concerns over social issues, such as abortion and gay marriage. However, others did not cite specific policy issues, and instead pointed to factors like the candidates' personal qualities or made general allusions to religion and values.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 02:12 pm
Sturgis wrote:
revel wrote:
it is more important to stop that gay couple down the street from getting married than it is to elect a president qualified for the job.



I almost agree on both points and as a gay Repulsive, I mean, Republican voter who is not registered as a Republican I am sure this confuses the heck out of you since people think all gays are to prance into the voting booth in a line and with a swoosh in their step limp wristedly vote for Democrats only. It does not work that way and never will. The sad truth here for you though is I am not for gay marriage. Civil Unions yes, marriage no. In addition to this I find that Mr. Bush is very much qualified for his job and this has been repeatedly evidenced since he first took office in January of 2001. Hmmm... a gay man against marriage of same sex couples and for George? What is the world coming to?


Man you've got issues..... Laughing Laughing Laughing
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2005 03:49 am
Sturgis wrote:
Polls are garbage. Think about the historic inaccuracy of them. [..] Polls prior to Mr.Bush's re-election said the majority did not like him, nor would they vote for him and yet the final tally shows they did indedd vote for this good man, so the polls can all be tossed in the crapper and sent out to sea.

Nonsense.

If you look at the weekly average of all opinion polls that were published, you'll see that Bush kept a lead on Kerry throughout the last eight weeks of the campaign (basically ever since the Republican Convention). Here's the graph showing that. For sure, the polls had his lead diminishing from about five percent to around two percent during and after the debates, and less than one percent at the very end. But a Bush win is still what most of them predicted. In fact, here's a rundown of the ones in the last week of the campaign, when they polled Kerry higher than they had in months, and as you can see 9 of 'em were still polling a Bush win, and only 5 a Kerry win.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2005 08:00 am
revel wrote:
What the before polls said before the elections and the insane fact of George Bush getting elected this time rather than appointed tells me is that we have a bunch of illogical people in America who think it is more important to stop that gay couple down the street from getting married than it is to elect a president qualified for the job.


Do you really have to insult the intelligence of the American people?
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2005 08:05 am
Sturgis wrote:
revel wrote:
it is more important to stop that gay couple down the street from getting married than it is to elect a president qualified for the job.



I almost agree on both points and as a gay Repulsive, I mean, Republican voter who is not registered as a Republican I am sure this confuses the heck out of you since people think all gays are to prance into the voting booth in a line and with a swoosh in their step limp wristedly vote for Democrats only. It does not work that way and never will. The sad truth here for you though is I am not for gay marriage. Civil Unions yes, marriage no. In addition to this I find that Mr. Bush is very much qualified for his job and this has been repeatedly evidenced since he first took office in January of 2001. Hmmm... a gay man against marriage of same sex couples and for George? What is the world coming to?


I don't see why gay people would want to be married considering how heterosexuals have made a joke of the practice...

High divorce rates, strippers at bachelor parties?

Can a piece of paper guarantee love?

Enough said...
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2005 08:08 am
D'artagnan wrote:
Re gay marriage: I came up with a solution to this issue that I'm sure will satisfy no one, but here goes:

I think the gov't should get out of the marriage business entirely. Let the churches handle it, and each church can decide who gets married. If you're gay and want to get married, then join a church that allows that.

What the gov't should do is assure that we all get the same rights and benefits. If a hetero gets health coverage for his/her spouse, then the same should be true for gay people. Call it civil union, call it whatever.

As I said, it makes sense to me, but I doubt it'll satisfy either side in this fight. Alas...


Both the Govt. and Church should stay out of peoples private lives...

Love is between two human beings and God only...
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