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I would say HW Bush created the internet or WWW by signing into legislation the act that allowed civilian use of the ARPANET.

The internet itself was envisioned/formulated/created before the ARPANET was even fully functional.

I would say HW Bush created the internet or WWW by signing into legislation the act that allowed civilian use of the ARPANET.

RexRed wrote:

The internet itself was envisioned/formulated/created before the ARPANET was even fully functional.

RexRed wrote:

I would say HW Bush created the internet or WWW by signing into legislation the act that allowed civilian use of the ARPANET.

So, according to Rex here, the internet was created when George Bush 41 allowed civilian use of the Arpanet, except that the internet was created before the Arpanet was even functional.

Rex, you say one thing one post, and in the very next post you come out with the exact opposite. All the while posing as someone who has extensive knowledge of the subject.

You are obviously Googling all over the net, desperate to find an excerpt here, a small paragraph there, to try to minimize Gore's legislative contribution to the development of the internet. And you are failing badly.

To repeat, once again: The network we now call the internet was created when Al Gore sponsored legislation in 1986 commissioning scientists to draw up plans for the largest civilian network ever known, and then sponsored legislation putting these plans into effect. It was signed into law in 1991,and the network which we now call the internet was born.

Three things to remember.

A) The Arpanet is not the internet, never was. Period.

B) As for what happened in 1962, Jules Verne wrote about many ideas which became true, such as space travel and submarines. However, envisioning something in a general way and coming out with the concrete plans to make it happen are two different things entirely.

C) Gore spoke extensively-very extensively-about the "Information Superhighway" while running for Vice President in 1992, and nobody ever doubted his contribution to it back then. Only after the Information Superhighway got called the internet, and grew and became part of people's everyday lives, did people start twisting Gore's words and trying to take credit from him for the legislation he sponsored which enabled it to come into existence.

Back in 1992, the Republicans were glad to let Gore have credit for what he did, because they did not realize how big an advance the internet would turn out to be. Only when they realized how important the internet was did they turn the attack dogs loose on Gore.

RexRed wrote:

I would say HW Bush created the internet or WWW by signing into legislation the act that allowed civilian use of the ARPANET.

Well, you would be wrong. The Arpanet is not the internet. Part of it was taken over by the military and is now the Defensenet, and the rest just died. No part of the Arpanet survives as the internet.

Al Gore sponsored a bill in 1986 which commissioned scientists to come up with a plan for a civilian computer network on a scale the world had never seen. They did. So in 1988, Gore sponsored another bill which put these recommendations into practice. It was passed in 1991, and the network we now call the internet was born.

Gore took the lead in sponsoring legislation which enabled scientists to plan and implement the internet. He never claimed to have taken the lead in developing computer networking-computer networks were around long before he ever got to Congress. But Gore did sponsor the legislation which commissioned scientists to draw up plans for the network we now call the internet, then sponsored new legislation which implemented those plans.

AL Gore made an order for hardware that was already made or invented and sitting Japan. It takes years for hardware to be created before it can even be installed. Then it takes software to even access this. Al Gore neither designs software or hardware...

.....Al Gore probably doesn't even know what a "packet" is.

Al Gore is over his head on this one...

RexRed wrote:

The earliest ideas of a computer network intended to allow general communication between users of various computers were formulated by J.C.R. Licklider of Bolt, Beranek and Newman (BBN) in August 1962, in a series of memos discussing his "Galactic Network" concept. These ideas contained almost everything that the Internet is today.

That was in 1962... when Al Gore was in High School.

So in 1962, people had an idea that computers would one day be connected on big network.

That means the internet was created in 1962?

Hey Rex, like I already said, Jules Verne was writing about space travel and submarines in the 1800's. Does that mean we credit him with the lunar landing or the Trident sub?

To repeat again:

A) The Arpanet is not and never was the internet. In fact, the part of the Arpanet which was not taken over by the military went defunct when the internet came into being.

B) The network that is now called the internet was created when Al Gore sponsored a bill which commissioned computer scientists to draw up the blueprints for the largest civilian network the world had ever seen, then in 1988 sponsored the legislation which put the plan into effect. It was signed in 1991.

He campaigned extensively on what he called The Information Superhighway back in 1992 when he was running for Vice President, and nobody had an doubts his contributions then. It was only when the internet became part of the American way of life later that the right wing attack dogs started twisting Gore's words and trying to take credit away from Gore for his accomplishments.

By the time Gore took notice of the Net around 1987, the basics were already in place.

By the way, the previous post was NOT written by Rex Red. As soon as I saw the cogent sentence structure, I knew it was not the type of meandering, unfocused silliness that constitute most of Rex's posts. The words Rex is trying to claim for his own were written by writer Declan McCullaugh.

I think it is hilarious that Rex has spent several pages acting outraged that Al Gore took credit for something he supposedly didn't do, then Rex turns around and tries to claim credit for words somebody else wrote!

kelticwizard wrote:

By the way, the previous post was NOT written by Rex Red. As soon as I saw the cogent sentence structure, I knew it was not the type of meandering, unfocused silliness that constitute most of Rex's posts. The words Rex is trying to claim for his own were written by writer Declan McCullaugh.

I think it is hilarious that Rex has spent several pages acting outraged that Al Gore took credit for something he supposedly didn't do, then Rex turns around and tries to claim credit for words somebody else wrote!

This is not a first for Mr Red.

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By the time Gore took notice of the Net around 1987, the basics were already in place.

A) The internet was not in existence in 1987. There were networks, but not the network which became the internet. When you capitalize the word Net, yoiu give the misleading impression that you are referring to the modern internet.

B) Al Gore did not "notice" the internet around 1987. By 1986 he had written a law commissioning computer experts to draw up specific plans for the largest civilian computer network in history. Then in 1988 he introduced the law commissioning and funding the effort to take the plan and put it in place. The network which was created is now known as the internet.

By the way, the previous post was NOT written by Rex Red. As soon as I saw the cogent sentence structure, I knew it was not the type of meandering, unfocused silliness that constitute most of Rex's posts. The words Rex is trying to claim for his own were written by writer Declan McCullaugh.

I think it is hilarious that Rex has spent several pages acting outraged that Al Gore took credit for something he supposedly didn't do, then Rex turns around and tries to claim credit for words somebody else wrote!

kelticwizard wrote:

By the way, the previous post was NOT written by Rex Red. As soon as I saw the cogent sentence structure, I knew it was not the type of meandering, unfocused silliness that constitute most of Rex's posts. The words Rex is trying to claim for his own were written by writer Declan McCullaugh.

I think it is hilarious that Rex has spent several pages acting outraged that Al Gore took credit for something he supposedly didn't do, then Rex turns around and tries to claim credit for words somebody else wrote!

This is not a first for Mr Red.