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Jeb Bush for prez "08"

 
 
Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2005 01:56 pm
Attn: Rex

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=48794&highlight=

yessir, that despicable cashing in on a loved one...you were right.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2005 04:08 pm
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
Attn: Rex

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=48794&highlight=

yessir, that despicable cashing in on a loved one...you were right.


You seem to forget... her parents were not the ones to starve Terry to death... So what if they make some money out of this all? Terry would have wanted it that way... They did not err on the side of death... I would take greed over murder... if I had to choose.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2005 04:11 pm
unbelievable...
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2005 04:12 pm
Anyway I have never been married and I think modern day marriage is a crock...
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2005 09:42 pm
Well, Rex, you might feel modern day marriage is a crock, but Michael and Terri didn't when they walked down that aisle, and they both knew the time-honored deal when they said "I do". And prominent in that deal is that is that one spouse makes the life-and-death decisions for the other in cases like these.

Your own personal life, and your lack of regard for marriage, is certainly your belief, Rex. That's your choice. But Michael and Terri made their choice, and traditional standards apply in this case. Your opinions on marriage don't matter at all here.

The spouse makes the choice. That's the legal way, the traditional way, the moral way. Now the right-to-lifers all want to pull a switch and say "Oh no, it's not the husband, it's the PARENTS who make the call".

What a bunch of hypocrites.
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2005 09:53 pm
And the fact still remains, Rex, that despite all your hollering about how bad Michael allegedly is, he walked away from 10 million dollars to turn his wife over to his in-laws so that they might preserve her in this brain-dead, twilight state she is forced to be in.

The best you can come up with by way of response is some fabricated story about a counter-offer, coupled with a whacko "demand" that Michael Schiavo reveal his tax records for the public.

And you atttempt to justify thie "counter-offer" fabrication by saying that this country has some liberals with money, without providing a shred of proof that there is any connection between Michael Schiavo and anyone in a position to counter-offer.

You like to portray yourself as a champion of morality, Rex, but you made up this "counter-offer" baloney on the spot because you cannot face the fact that the indications are that Michael is sincere in his beliefs.

That is not honest.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2005 10:10 pm
kelticwizard wrote:
And the fact still remains, Rex, that despite all your hollering about how bad Michael allegedly is, he walked away from 10 million dollars to turn his wife over to his in-laws so that they might preserve her in this brain-dead, twilight state she is forced to be in.

The best you can come up with by way of response is some fabricated story about a counter-offer, coupled with a whacko "demand" that Michael Schiavo reveal his tax records for the public.

And you atttempt to justify thie "counter-offer" fabrication by saying that this country has some liberals with money, without providing a shred of proof that there is any connection between Michael Schiavo and anyone in a position to counter-offer.

You like to portray yourself as a champion of morality, Rex, but you made up this "counter-offer" baloney on the spot because you cannot face the fact that the indications are that Michael is sincere in his beliefs.

That is not honest.


Sincerity is no guarantee for truth..
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2005 10:35 pm
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2005 10:58 pm
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He was injured in an automobile accident in 1993 and went into a coma........Then one day, a year later, Robert woke up.


The chances of someone coming out of a coma after a year are about a gazillion to one. And the lawmakers probably could be forgiven for assuming that once a patient miraculously recovers from a coma, nobody would be interested in pulling the plug.

But a coma has no relevance here. What happened to Terri was far, far beyond a coma. A coma happens when the brain functions at a reduced level. Terri Schiavo had no brain left with which to recover.
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2005 11:02 pm
I am just going to reprint this post to give you an idea just how far gone Terri really was. Believe me, Terri was not going to be throwing any balls or pushing any wheelchairs down the hallway, ever, ever, ever.

Cycloptichorn wrote:


We know that certain parts of the brain control cognition and thought. We know that Terri doesn't have those parts of her brain any longer.

http://www.amptoons.com/blog/images/schiavo_ct_scan.jpg

Cerebrocrat wrote:
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But there's something being lost in this discussion of brain imaging methods. The fact that an MRI would give a better structural picture of Terri Schiavo's brain does not at all mean that the existing CAT scan isn't good enough for present purposes. I see much serious armchair scan-reading in this thread that signals ignorance of the subject. Let me tell you: if you are sufficiently familiar with brains and brain images, you do not need an MRI to tell you how severely the brain in the pictured CAT scan is damaged, nor do you need to see more slices than the one depicted here. This single image shows a very severely damaged brain. The large "blue blobs" in the middle are ventricles, also present in healthy brains (you can see the two little dark crescent shapes in the brain on the right) that have expanded to such a large size because the overall brain volume is so low. Cranial space that would otherwize have been filled by gray matter is now filled with cerebrospinal fluid. And yes, that's what the blue space is: cerebrospinal fluid that is filling up space left behind by necrotic brain tissue that has been scavenged and removed by the body. The white squiggly things are white matter - connective tracts that have the loose, uncoiled look about them that they do because, again, the grey matter that once compressed them is no longer there, so they "float" loosely in CSF. The gigantic ventricles, expanded white matter, and undifferentiated blue space in that scan all point to the same thing: massive loss of grey matter in the cerebral cortex. You don't need an MRI to tell you that, it's clearly visible in the CAT scan.

It is true that given the poor resolution of this image, it's possible that some cortical tissue has been spared. But that doesn't matter. Whatever wisps of cortex we might be missing in this image are not enough to sustain behaviors that could differentiate Terri Schiavo from any other vertebrate. All the neural equipment you need to do ocular following and emotional responses is subcortical. All the neural equipment you need to be a self-aware, reasoning, behaving human being is cortical. And since i gather this image was made some time ago, the present condition of the brain can only be worse.

There is no way any qualified brain doctor or scientist could look at this image and suggest that significant recovery of function is possible. The fact that we could have all this discussion on the subject is a triumph of politics over science. Tragic for Terri Schiavo, and really for us all.


Cycloptichorn
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engineer
 
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Reply Mon 4 Apr, 2005 08:24 am
Interpretation
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George tried to give Michael a hint... To err on the side of life... Michael decided Terry was not worth it and snapped his fingers and the feeding tube was removed... How would Michael feel if a shyster married his daughter? Michael drove Terry to anorexia then murdered her to cover it up... Isn't that what starving someone to death is? Murder? Michael Schiavo is a murderer... He should have listened to Bush...


1) The president is frequently quoted out of context, just like you did. His comment was more on the order of "while there are serious doubts, we should err on the side of life." There are not serious doubts here. Terri was in a PVS with a flat EEG. No thoughts, no hope of recovery, nothing. Her husband held out hope for years. That is erring on the side of life.

2) Daughters many men their parents don't like all the time. Still, the family is husband and wife. Sure, other family's opinions are important, but in the end, you have to repect the bonds of marriage. You'll be hard put to find a society or religion that does not recognize that.

3) In complete ignorance, you are accusing Michael of heinous crimes. "Decided she wasn't worth it" or made a painful decision based on years of effort and medical advice? "... drove Terry to anorexia then murdered her to cover it up"? Terry's weight problems predated her meeting her husband and everyone knows she was anorexic so why is a cover-up needed?

Rex, time to put passion aside and review this with an open mind.
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engineer
 
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Reply Mon 4 Apr, 2005 08:40 am
Sincerity
[quote="RexRed]
Sincerity is no guarantee for truth..[/quote]

Are you conceding that Micheal might have been sincere in his feelings for Terry and that he believed that this was what she would have wanted? I'm sure you will never believe that he was correct, but if you believe that he was sincere, that would be one step towards healing all the ill will generated by this.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2005 01:08 pm
Re: Sincerity
engineer wrote:


RexRed wrote:

Sincerity is no guarantee for truth..


Are you conceding that Micheal might have been sincere in his feelings for Terry and that he believed that this was what she would have wanted? I'm sure you will never believe that he was correct, but if you believe that he was sincere, that would be one step towards healing all the ill will generated by this.



I once heard it said...

"Sincerity and a dime will get you a bad cup of coffee." Smile


Are you saying it is ok for Michael to be brain dead?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2005 01:15 pm
Re: Sincerity
RexRed wrote:
engineer wrote:


RexRed wrote:

Sincerity is no guarantee for truth..


Are you conceding that Micheal might have been sincere in his feelings for Terry and that he believed that this was what she would have wanted? I'm sure you will never believe that he was correct, but if you believe that he was sincere, that would be one step towards healing all the ill will generated by this.



I once heard it said...

"Sincerity and a dime will get you a bad cup of coffee." Smile


So sincerity is worth about a buck fifty?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2005 01:15 pm
Inflation is a beyotch

Cycloptichorn
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2005 01:17 pm
Haha Smile
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2005 01:18 pm
Hitler was "sincere" too...

Smile
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2005 07:04 pm
Rev. Franklin Graham thinks Michael should have gone on with his life and left Terry to her parents...

I am in good company...
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2005 08:30 pm
RexRed wrote:
Hitler was "sincere" too...

Smile


Excuse me, but you have spent the last several pages trying to say Michael was not sincere in trying to do the correct thing by his late wife.

You have accused him of being motivated by anything except principle.

Now, you do a complete turnaround and try to say that sincerity is immaterial.

It's getting a little hard to take seriously what you say.
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2005 08:58 pm
Remember, Michael walked away from a ten million dollar offer to do what Rev Graham thinks he should do.

It would have been the easiest thing in the world for Michael to palm Terri off on his inlaws, and live the sweet life off the ten million offer.

That he refused to do so can mean only one thing: he wanted to put an end to the ghoulish, brain dead half-life his inlaws were fighting to keep Terri in, and let Terri pass on to her reward.

Michael is a brave man. He turned down ten million dollars to do what was wrong, and fought, fought, fought to do what was right.
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