@cameronleon,
cameronleon wrote:That name "Holocaust".
Such is a weird "technical word", and I still searching who invented it that way.
As a technical term it means "genocide", right?
And genocide is the killing of people of a certain origin, race. class, etc.
Some definitions add planning of the killing.
Genocide requires the intent to extinguish a race or culture.
Merely deliberately killing large numbers of civilians without an intent to extinguish a race or culture would be called a crime against humanity.
cameronleon wrote:I guess that the killing of hundreds of thousands of people in WW2 was indeed planned, but from my point of view, the planning was not for extermination purposes but that it was a necessary action in order to destroy the great war machine of Hitler.
The Holocaust intentionally killed millions of innocent people. Allied attacks against German military targets were not directed against civilians.
cameronleon wrote:Anyway, on TV I saw programs were money is asked and "survivors" of the Holocaust are seen giving their version of their suffering and sniff sniff, people send money to help them.
I am not aware of any such TV programs.
cameronleon wrote:The war is over, it happened 70 years ago, all this propaganda like a bleeding open wound is just a circus where smart dudes take advantage of others by playing the "forever victims"
An insistence that history not be whitewashed is hardly propaganda.
cameronleon wrote:You say you don't believe in the Holocaust, and these dudes attack you saying you are anti-Semite, that Hitler this and that, they put you on "ignore", they group themselves against you, etc.
Holocaust denial is very hurtful. It is natural that people become very angry when someone hurts them that deeply.
cameronleon wrote:Look, the biblical Abraham cried for his wife an entire month, later on he got married again and even had concubines. The bible says that he had several more children.
I strongly suggest that Jews must imitate father Abraham, and should remember the deaths of WW2 for a month and later keep going.
That story is hardly a realistic example of how people react to the death of someone they care about, especially when that death is the result of a horrible crime like the Holocaust.
More to the point though, these people
have gotten on with their lives. If there is any great focus on the Holocaust today it is not because they are excessively dwelling on it, but because they are reacting in anger to Holocaust denial.
If people stopped provoking them with outrageous Holocaust denial, there would not be a need for any counteraction to that Holocaust denial.
cameronleon wrote:Again, these dudes must imitate father Abraham.
Any psychologist will suggest a treatment to an individual who is not capable to let go and recover after losing a family member.
Here we have thousands if not millions of dudes who must receive treatment to be capable of letting go and recover.
They are not excessively dwelling on the past. When people try to whitewash a horrible crime, it is a normal reaction to refuse to let the crime be whitewashed.
cameronleon wrote:The Holocaust page must be turned and a new page must be written.
The Holocaust is always going to be remembered as a horrible and unforgivable crime. No one is ever going to allow it to be whitewashed.
cameronleon wrote:You are mixing exagerate remembrance of deaths of a war that happened 70 years ago with Holocaust deniers.
In this discussion, one thing has nothing to do with the another.
That is incorrect. There is no exaggerated remembrance of those deaths. All there is, is a perfectly normal outrage against Holocaust denial. And that outrage is directly linked to the Holocaust denial which provoked it.
cameronleon wrote:Those dudes must let go and start a new life or get into a mental institution.
They have started a new life. But they are not going to allow Holocaust denial to stand.
And rightly so. Such horrendous crimes should not be whitewashed.
cameronleon wrote:Can you imagine if all the people start remembering their dead family members and friends who died up 70 years ago or beyond?
Heh. Way back when (long before WWII), my great uncle was involved in a gun battle that ended with him sneaking up behind the county sheriff and putting a 12 gauge slug in the back of his head. It wasn't as famous a shoot out as the OK Corral, but to this day, now and then the county still whines how their precious sheriff was gunned down so cruelly and my extended family bristles in defiant outrage. Just a couple weeks ago I actually got to hold "the shotgun" as it was brought out of storage because the family is going to have it professionally restored.
The West still remembers Islam's unprovoked aggression against the Roman Empire more than a thousand years ago. The Muslims still whine because the West had the temerity to launch the Crusades in response to the Muslims' aggression.
You can't escape history. The harder you try, the more history will rear up and confront you.
cameronleon wrote:The whole society should become nuts watching people asking for the building of museums to post pictures of accidents that happened decades ago, and so forth.
Come on.
Such behavior is unacceptable
Remembrances of horrible atrocities are perfectly acceptable. What is unacceptable is the whitewashing of those atrocities.