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Why I left the Democratic Party

 
 
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 26 May, 2018 07:06 pm
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Sun 27 May, 2018 02:38 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Progressive Democrats! 😏

A democrat who isn't progressive is a DINO.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Sun 27 May, 2018 02:52 am
It's imperative for Americans to begin working together for the good of the country. Please take another look at the Constitution , and this time don't search for loopholes that allow you be an un-American.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 27 May, 2018 05:12 am
@glitterbag,
The Constitution says that it is wrong for liberals to violate our right to keep and bear arms.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 27 May, 2018 05:13 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
A democrat who isn't progressive is a DINO.
We prefer the term Blue Dog.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 27 May, 2018 05:24 am
@Olivier5,
You won’t get any disagreement from me about that.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 27 May, 2018 08:38 am
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Real Music
 
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Reply Mon 28 May, 2018 01:53 am
Democrats, emboldened by GOP cuts and policies, back bigger government.

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Democrats have spent years working to counter Republican attacks on them as big-spending liberals, from passage of the last balanced budget during the Bill Clinton years to Barack Obama’s insistence that the Affordable Care Act pay for itself.

But now that Republicans have blown up the deficit with a $1.5 trillion tax cut and other high-cost policies, many Democrats feel freed.

In recent months, Democratic lawmakers and candidates have endorsed plans allowing anyone to buy into Medicare, to make college effectively debt-free, to replace the payday loan industry with small government banks and to provide a “job guarantee” that would spend to put people to work.

“Democrats have put ourselves at a longtime, strategic disadvantage,” said Sen. Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii), who has introduced a bill that would make most college free but has waved off questions about the cost. “We have to pay for progressive priorities, and they borrow money for theirs. After the tax cut, there’s almost no enthusiasm for worrying about how to pay for new proposals.”

The party’s revised thinking has been on display in primary campaigns, where even candidates tacking to the middle of their fields have run on expanding Medicare and funding infrastructure. It’s been adopted by congressional Democrats in their “Better Deal” proposals; last week, Senate Democratic Leader Charles E. Schumer (N.Y.) and House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) added a $100 billion education package to their growing manifesto.

But the new attitude is worrying some Democrats. It has been decades since the party ran a national campaign on some of these ideas; it had elected two presidents, Clinton and Obama, who ran against fiscal irresponsibility.

“Members of both parties have recently moved to dreaming big dreams without figuring out how to pay for it,” said Sen. Thomas R. Carper (D-Del.), who is up for reelection this year but not facing a serious Republican challenge. “I came [to Congress] with the idea that we’d be fiscally responsible, and neither party seems to be. My hope is we’ll get back to that sooner rather than later.”

Since the tax cut’s passage, the trend has been in the other direction. When Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont, an independent who ran for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2016, introduced his universal Medicare bill last year, he did not immediately say how it would be paid for. He had offered a list of potential tax hikes to pay for it but didn’t include them in the bill.

The liberal Center on Budget and Policy Priorities has proposed a job guarantee pegged at $543 billion per year with some savings from lower welfare spending but greater spending overall.

And in a new ad for her reelection campaign, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), who’s facing a challenge this year from her own party, tells California’s primary voters that she favors a health care “public option” and the expansion of Medicare to people 55 and over, with no suggestion of how it would be paid for.

Supporters of the jobs guarantee, of free college tuition and of higher teacher salaries have sold their plans the same way. In some cases, they suggest the bill could be taken care of with the elimination of part or all of last year’s tax cut. In others, they suggest that it’s time to stop fussing about the cost.

“Corporate interests have controlled the agenda in Washington for decades so we can’t tinker at the margins and expect to rebuild the middle class and stamp out inequality,” Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) told the left-wing magazine The Nation after endorsing the jobs guarantee.

Pelosi, who has given candidates wide room to run against her, is also somewhat cautious about the spending plans. Just as Obama suggested that rolling back most of the George W. Bush-era tax cuts for wealthy Americans could fund his plans, Pelosi has preferred to tie the spending proposals to a rollback of President Trump’s tax cuts.

In an interview this month at the Peter G. Peterson Foundation’s fiscal summit, Pelosi called the tax cut package “a dark cloud over our children’s future” and a worrisome source of debt. Asked about the jobs guarantee, Pelosi said she needed to see how much it might cost.

“Democrats believe you must pay as you go,” Pelosi said.

But some Democrats pointed to Hillary Clinton’s presidential run in 2016 as a cautionary tale, seeing as a trap spelling out the cost as part of a policy rollout. While her campaign designed spending plans that could be paid for, adding nothing to the deficit, Trump proposed huge tax cuts and vast spending while also promising to wipe out the national debt within eight years.

“We fronted the idea that everything would be paid for, that everything added up, and I don’t think we got any credit for it,” said Brian Fallon, Clinton’s spokesman during the campaign, who’s now a spokesman for Democratic groups working against the tax cut.

Republicans passed a $1.5 trillion tax cut last year, following it up with a $1.3 trillion spending plan this year. But while their party has long nurtured an image as fiscal watchdogs, they have barely talked about spending on the campaign trail.

Political reality, Democrats said, would mean that their big ideas came with at least some arguments for higher taxes. That pitch had not seriously been tested in a general election; since 1992, Democrats had run only on raising taxes for the wealthiest.

“If you’re telling people that you’ll increase their taxes dramatically so that, theoretically, they’ll have lower premiums — look, that’s not going to be successful politically,” said former senator Kent Conrad (D-N.D.), who used his perch as Budget Committee chairman to warn about the growing debt.

Democrats with an eye on 2018 and beyond are no longer talking, though, about a “grand bargain” that would reduce the deficit by raising taxes and slashing social insurance, an idea that was not popular in the first place. Many say it’s time for the party to promise not to undo tax cuts to shrink the deficit, but to spend on popular programs.

“If I were talking to the people who do our messaging — I still need to figure out who that is — I’d have a chart of all the Republican spending on defense and tax cuts and then a simple, five-point chart of what the Democrats would give you instead,” said Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.), a member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. “You get $5,000 back with the earned income tax credit. If you’re unemployed, you get a job. If your kid wants to go to a state college, he goes for free.”

Even Pelosi, who took some flack from her party’s left for the Peterson interview, has adopted the “choice” argument. If both parties are interested in borrowing money to pay for their vision, Democrats’ vision must be easier to sell.

“Wouldn’t it have been better if we had spent over a trillion dollars on infrastructure,” Pelosi asked, instead of “tax breaks for the wealthy?”

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/democrats-emboldened-by-gop-cuts-and-policies-back-bigger-government/ar-AAxTheM?ocid=UE13DHP
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 28 May, 2018 02:03 pm
@glitterbag,
You're expecting too much! Even Trump has no knowledge about the US Constitution. Trump has no knowledge of the bible or the US Constitution. It became evident when Trump tried to ban all Muslims from entering our country, and calling Mexicans "criminals and rapists." https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/12/donald-trump-constitution-ignorance/
Trump has been a bigot for most of his life, and he has scammed people (trump university, trump steaks) for money. He failed to pay his contractors and attorneys. Politifact has kept track of his lies, and it's a wonder he tells the truth 5% of the time. And that's probably by accident. http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
Trump is delusional. He thinks he's king of an empire, and he can do anything he wishes.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 28 May, 2018 02:22 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Trump has had 13 "big" business failures. How many fathers can save their children's business failures 13 times? It's normal for most people to have experienced one business failure before calling it quits. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/donald-trumps-13-biggest-business-failures-20160314
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revelette1
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2018 06:43 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Trump is delusional. He thinks he's king of an empire, and he can do anything he wishes.


With republican congress we got, he can, so he may as well be King.

The worse part about it, democrats are going to screw themselves out of winning the mid-terms. Look what they did in California.

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In a straight head to head race, the Democrats would likely sweep the votes up. But they have messed up. California has a “top-two primary system” which works fairly well, but they have such a glut of Dem candidates wanting to get in that it now looks as though the 45% of the vote they would aim for may end up being split between up to eight different candidates!

This leaves a clear path for Republican candidates who may scoop up the seats.

Politico reports that:

“eight Democrats competing for between 40 and 45 percent of the district’s traditional Democratic vote, the odds of one of the eight consolidating enough of the vote to overcome Baugh’s popularity and name recognition are daunting, to say the least. A Republican-only top two runoff is possible here in November.”


source
maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2018 06:54 am
@revelette1,
And if a person from the DCCC came in and tried to fix this mess before it screws something up, you get the radical far left loonies complaining that the system is rigged against progressives (despite some remaining candidates being equally progressive)
revelette1
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2018 07:06 am
@maporsche,
I know. Which is why I see us throwing away the mid-terms to the republicans despite more people voting democrat or left leaning independents.
Lash
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2018 07:40 am
I know democracy is becoming quite unpopular among most who call themselves democrats, but some people like those who get the most votes to be considered elected.
maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2018 08:03 am
@revelette1,
Quite possible. As you're aware there are more than a few who either don't a) understand how our system works or b) want to see the system burn regardless of the consequences (for themselves or others).
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revelette1
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2018 09:18 am
@Lash,
You don't seem to get the point; the point is not squeeze people out who would like to run for office. The point is that the votes are going to be so scattered among the left in California, which is a big state and counts for a lot of votes for democrats normally, it is conceivable, two republicans will end up with the most votes. How is that advancing the progressive cause? They need to do what they can to fix that problem before mid-terms.
Lash
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2018 10:57 am
@revelette1,
The point is not to squeeze people out... haha.

You can be assured that I get that point. I got it up close and personal when the DNC pushed millions of voters’ choices out during the 2016 primaries. I think YOU don’t get it.

One rule should fit all. If you approved of superdelegates during the 2016 primaries,, you have no leg to stand on now. At least people are actually able to vote in this California scenario.

I can’t stand people who change the rules in the middle of the stream based on their self-interests. No ethics at all.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2018 11:06 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

I know democracy is becoming quite unpopular among most who call themselves democrats, but some people like those who get the most votes to be considered elected.


Didn't Hilary Clinton win the popular vote?
Lash
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2018 11:37 am
@izzythepush,
The laws of our country, as you know, states the person to get the most votes in a state wins that state.

We didn’t change the rules of the Electoral College to benefit Mrs. Clinton, much to the chagrin of her loyalists.

I’m sure had we changed the rule prior to the election, and Mrs. Clinton had won a preponderance of States, yet lost the popular vote, her adherents would be complaining about that.

We should operate within the rules or fight to change them—based on the will of those they apply to, rather than our current, fluid situation.

Superdelegates is just an anti-democratic dodge of the will of the people.

I suppose if the people of Cali want to change their process, they can. Just hope they don’t want to change it every year, based on the direction of the wind.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2018 12:17 pm
@izzythepush,
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Almost Half Of Republicans Believe Millions Voted Illegally In The 2016 Election
The Huffington Post2 days ago
Trump has claimed ― without evidence ― that he would have won the state had it not been for people bused in from neighboring states to vote there. The HuffPost/YouGov ...


Trump can't accept the fact that Hillary won the popular vote. Besides all that, Trump's approval rating is one of the lowest in the past 60 years averaging at 39%.

Gallup: Donald Trump's Presidential Job Approval Ratings
Approval rating Dates
%
Most recent weekly average 40 May 21-27, 2018
Term average to date 39 Jan 20, 2017-present
High point, weekly average 45 Jan 20-29, 2017
Low point, weekly average 35 four times, last on Dec 11-17, 2017

Trump has the lowest approval rating for the past 60 years.
http://news.gallup.com/poll/116677/Presidential-Approval-Ratings-Gallup-Historical-Statistics-Trends.aspx
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