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Bush's plan to turn America into an ownership society

 
 
Reply Mon 8 Nov, 2004 12:17 pm
The New Yorker published a nice article about Bush's plan to turn America into an ownership society:

"The ownership society promises freedom, but at the price of a huge shift in risk, away from government and society and onto individual citizens."





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THE NEW YORKER

THE FINANCIAL PAGE
THE RISK SOCIETY

by James Surowiecki
Issue of 2004-11-15
Posted 2004-11-08

George W. Bush was reƫlected last Tuesday not because of the job he did running the economy in his first term but in spite of it. (Voters for whom the economy was the most important issue voted for Kerry by a four-to-one margin.) Bush doesn't get to coast for the next four years, though; he's facing a host of economic problems, particularly the mounting cost of health care and the looming crisis in funding for Social Security and Medicare. Bush, of course, has a master plan: he intends to turn America into what he calls an ownership society.

That sounds unobjectionable?-who's against ownership? But what the President has in mind is nothing less than a radical overhaul of America's entire system of social insurance. In place of unwieldy government programs run by busybody bureaucrats, Bush wants Americans to have more independence and more choices regarding their health care, their savings, and their retirement. Social Security would be partially privatized, with people allowed to put aside money in individual accounts. Private health-insurance plans would compete with Medicare. Tax-free retirement accounts would be expanded. And health savings accounts would let people save money for health-care expenses tax-free, as long as they agreed to sign up for plans with high deductibles. The result, Bush claimed earlier this year, would be "greater opportunity, more freedom, and more control over your own life." And with freedom, presumably, will come greater responsibility; people will be more careful as users of health care, more diligent as savers and investors.

Fair enough. All things being equal, letting people make decisions for themselves will produce smarter outcomes, collectively, than relying on government planners. It may also promote attentiveness. As the economist Lawrence Summers has said, "No one in the history of the world has ever washed a rented car."

No one in the history of the world has ever had a free lunch, either. The ownership society promises freedom, but at the price of a huge shift in risk, away from government and society and onto individual citizens. Social Security, Medicare, insurance?-these are basically collective risk-sharing mechanisms. Rather than let each person run the risk of ending up destitute or sick, these programs pool the risk. Because the risk is shared, it can be managed, and people can be guaranteed a minimally acceptable outcome. In Bush's brave new world, that guarantee will be eliminated.

This is what has happened as 401(k) plans have replaced traditional pension plans. With a 401(k), you have a lot more control over your financial life. You, not a pension-fund manager, decide how much to save and what to invest in. For some people, this shift has been a great boon, and it has made it easier for workers to change jobs without relinquishing retirement money. But for others (like those who staked their retirements on Enron and Pets.com) it has been a disaster. With a traditional pension, the company (or the government, in cases where the company fails) bears the burden of providing for the retirement of its employees. With a 401(k), the burden falls on the individual alone. If you screw it up, that's your problem. Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.

Generally, we want people to reap the benefits of their own successes and pay a price for their failures. But Social Security and Medicare are designed to protect people from things they have little control over?-risk of illness, risk of macroeconomic change, risk of industrial obsolescence. To manage that kind of risk, you have to do it collectively. What's more, as the political scientist Jacob Hacker has pointed out, Americans' everyday lives are considerably riskier than they used to be. Jobs are less secure. Health-care costs are increasingly difficult to plan for. And the pace of technological change?-which can lay waste to entire industries almost overnight?-is faster than ever. So now may not be the best time to undermine the few programs that provide people with some protection against bad decisions and bad luck.

As for choice, behavorial economists will tell you that it is possible to have too much of a good thing. A plethora of choices can be paralyzing, as Barry Schwartz pointed out in his recent book "The Paradox of Choice." Ask shoppers in a supermarket to taste six different jams, and odds are that they'll buy the jam they like best. Offer them twenty-four different jams, and odds are they'll walk away without buying any. Studies of 401(k)s show that the more investment choices a plan offers, the less likely people are to participate in it. In this regard, Social Security's lack of flexibility may actually be a virtue. People sacrifice some upside, in exchange for peace of mind.

The ownership society's greatest flaw, however, is that it won't solve the problems it purports to address. A real solution would require facing up to some thorny issues?-raising the retirement age, slowing the growth of benefits, means-testing. By advocating greater freedom and independence, while failing to explain or account for the greater risk, Bush is setting Americans up for an unpleasant surprise. If his plans are implemented, a lot of people are going to end up a lot poorer in their old age than they otherwise would have been. (A lot of people will end up a lot richer, too.) The result would be Social Security without the security part. Freedom of choice is a beautiful thing. But the Bush plan is asking you to swap an insurance policy for a lottery ticket.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Mon 8 Nov, 2004 12:39 pm
For the sake of the "gimme now" faction of our society, I sincerely hope that Bush gives people a choice of how they want to apportion their social security. These are the folks who are up to their eyeballs in debt...................but have a huge HDTV, and a gas guzzling SUV in their driveways.

Unfortunately, there are many people who think only in the present. The entire concept of delay of gratification has no meaning for them. Those are the folks who need "big daddy" government, and a secure retirement.

For those who are more forward thinking, even the partial privitization of social security will be a boon. Yes, you will have to do your "homework", learn about the options, and choose carefully. Yes, there is a risk. But isn't delaying gratification, and taking intelligent risks, the mark of an adult?
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Letty
 
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Reply Mon 8 Nov, 2004 12:50 pm
Good article, Walter.

Phoenix, you're forgetting the people who are already on social security and who cannot work. They paid into it all their lives and now it is threatened. Social Security is supposed to be a trust, and the Federal government has continued to borrow from it without any intention of repaying the loan. I realize that it was not intended to be one's entire financial support, but life's circumstances often find some people up the creek and it has nothing to do with being on the dole.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Mon 8 Nov, 2004 12:57 pm
If people's contributions to SSI can be channeled into other types of investments, there will be a shortfall in paying out what's owed to retirees and other eligible folks. I've heard no explanation of how this is to be covered.

As for one's investing SSI contributions into the stock market, all well and good. But what happens when the market tanks for a a few years, as recently happened?

I realize that the libertarians and objectivisits among us may say, tough luck, but that won't wash in the real world. The gov't will be left holding the bag, and this plan will cost (us) a fortune.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Mon 8 Nov, 2004 01:03 pm
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Phoenix, you're forgetting the people who are already on social security and who cannot work.


Unless I am way off the mark, from what I have read and heard, people who are now on social security, and people who will be on social security in the near future, will not be affected by Bush's plan.

The group that would be affected are the younger workers, who have many years left to make this plan workable. What I don't know, is what he proposes as the cutoff dates, but I am sure that we will find out in short order.

Letty dear, please stop worrying!


http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/02/20020228-1.html

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Ensuring Freedom of Choice: The President's proposal would ensure that workers who have participated in 401(k) plans for three years are given the freedom to choose where to invest their retirement savings. The President has also proposed that choice be a feature of Social Security itself, allowing individuals to voluntarily invest a portion of their Social Security taxes in personal retirement accounts.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 8 Nov, 2004 01:29 pm
Bush? Do you mean President Ken Doll? AAARRRRGGGHHHH!!!!!
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mesquite
 
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Reply Mon 8 Nov, 2004 03:07 pm
Phoenix32890 wrote:
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Phoenix, you're forgetting the people who are already on social security and who cannot work.


Unless I am way off the mark, from what I have read and heard, people who are now on social security, and people who will be on social security in the near future, will not be affected by Bush's plan.

The group that would be affected are the younger workers, who have many years left to make this plan workable. What I don't know, is what he proposes as the cutoff dates, but I am sure that we will find out in short order.

Letty dear, please stop worrying!


http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/02/20020228-1.html


A very objective source for information. I wonder why it neglected to mention the relaxing of top heavy rules for retirement plans?

Am I the only one who works for a company that has elected to eliminate the employer match to it's 401K plan for hourly workers or am I just one of the lucky first?
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Mon 8 Nov, 2004 03:10 pm
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Am I the only one who works for a company that has elected to eliminate the employer match to it's 401K plan for hourly workers or am I just one of the lucky first?


Mesquite- I am sorry for you personally, but after all, a company has the right to modify its perks. That has nothing to do with government!
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Montana
 
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Reply Mon 8 Nov, 2004 03:17 pm
I paid into MY social security from the time I had my paper route when I was 12 years old up until the time I left the country at 36 years old and when it comes time for me to retire, if the money is not there for me, then I've been robbed by the government. Plain and simple!
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Mon 8 Nov, 2004 03:21 pm
Montana- One of the points of privitization is that when you DO retire the money WILL be there.
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mesquite
 
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Reply Mon 8 Nov, 2004 03:28 pm
Phoenix32890 wrote:
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Am I the only one who works for a company that has elected to eliminate the employer match to it's 401K plan for hourly workers or am I just one of the lucky first?


Mesquite- I am sorry for you personally, but after all, a company has the right to modify its perks. That has nothing to do with government!


Phoenix,
I wasn't looking for sympathy. I was looking to see if others were also affected by the top heavy rule changes. Note that the company did not stop contributions to all employees, just to hourly employees or in the jargon of my company "craft employees" (read less highly compensated). Salaried employees and executives retained their matches.

As these rules are woven into the tax code they definitely have something to do with government.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 8 Nov, 2004 03:30 pm
Phoenix32890 wrote:
Montana- One of the points of privitization is that when you DO retire the money WILL be there.


You mean, private companies can't be adjusted bancrupt but the government can? :wink:
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Mon 8 Nov, 2004 03:35 pm
Walter- In the next few years, the "baby boomers" will reach retirement age. That is a HUGE cohort of people, who will receive retirement benefits. People are living longer. I don't know the figures off the top of my head, but if social security is not revised, it will run out of money in "X" number of years.
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mesquite
 
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Reply Mon 8 Nov, 2004 03:36 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Phoenix32890 wrote:
Montana- One of the points of privitization is that when you DO retire the money WILL be there.


You mean, private companies can't be adjusted bancrupt but the government can? :wink:


I am beginning to think Phoenix has been drinking too much Bush juice in celebration.
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Montana
 
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Reply Mon 8 Nov, 2004 03:39 pm
Phoenix32890 wrote:
Montana- One of the points of privitization is that when you DO retire the money WILL be there.


That's all fine and dandy for those who haven't already paid into SSI, but what about the rest of us who have? I paid my part for 24 years and I am entitled to it when I retire. The government had no damn right to take our money that we paid into our retirement and then turn around and say"sorry, we took it all and there's nothing left". If the poverty isn't bad enough there as it is, if he cuts off the people who already paid in, then god help the people who have nothing else.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Mon 8 Nov, 2004 03:51 pm
to respond to the title of this thread....riiight...with him and his cronies being the owners...
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 8 Nov, 2004 03:53 pm
That's my problem with it, BPB. Though I think the idea could be good (depending on the details, of course) the fact is I don't trust these people.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Mon 8 Nov, 2004 03:54 pm
Montana wrote:
That's all fine and dandy for those who haven't already paid into SSI, but what about the rest of us who have? I paid my part for 24 years and I am entitled to it when I retire. The government had no damn right to take our money that we paid into our retirement and then turn around and say"sorry, we took it all and there's nothing left".


First of all, you don't pay into SSI. That is a completely different program, designed for very poor people. You pay into SSA. And yes, you ARE entitled to it. And nobody is taking it away from you.I don't know where you got that idea.(Oh, maybe I do!)
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mesquite
 
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Reply Mon 8 Nov, 2004 03:56 pm
Phoenix32890 wrote:
Walter- In the next few years, the "baby boomers" will reach retirement age. That is a HUGE cohort of people, who will receive retirement benefits. People are living longer. I don't know the figures off the top of my head, but if social security is not revised, it will run out of money in "X" number of years.


And the Bush plan diverts $2 trillion from the present plan to put it where the money managers get a tidy cut. Gee, there is that diversion word again. There is nothing in the Bush plan to guarantee the viability of social security.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Mon 8 Nov, 2004 04:02 pm
Perhaps this will give you all some more information:
http://www.ssa.gov/qa.htm
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