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Bush's plan to turn America into an ownership society

 
 
Einherjar
 
  1  
Reply Fri 12 Nov, 2004 11:05 pm
Baldimo wrote:
Einherjar wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
Montana wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
Montana wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
Montana wrote:
georgeob1 wrote:
Montana wrote:
george
why do you keep mentioning me up in Canada? What difference does it make where I am?


Because it is related to the question of paying payroll taxes here.


And how is that related? No matter where I am now, it doesn't change the fact that I paid my taxes in the US for 24 years, so what are you saying? Are you discriminating against me because I moved to another country? If not, then I don't see your point!


How long do you expect to receive benefits? If you paid in to the system for 24 years how much do you think you paid in? Lets say you have paid in $10,000, if you get about $1,000 a month, then you didn't even pay into the system a full years worth of coverage. Your going to collect for more years then you put in on average; so tell me how this is fair?


Ha! You think after only 24 years of working that I'll be entitled to $1000 a month. I wish! I won't even get half of that, if anything at all.

By the way Baldimo, don't waste your breath addressing me anymore, because this is the last response you'll get from me.


Why is it you get so offended so easily? If I was as easily offended as you were I would have left after the first week of being on this thread. Lighten up and don't be a fuddy duddy!


It's not about me being offended easily and note that I am not the only one who won't go around in circles with you.
It doesn't surprise me that people don't want to hear from the opposition but only from the choir!


I've got more quotes within quotes than any of you.

NANA NANA NANA


Not any more!!!!!!!!! Shocked Shocked Shocked

How small do you think we can make the print inside the quotes?


Doesn't look like the print is changing size on it's own accord. we could probably make the print really small manually though.[size=8] <- we could probably make the print really small manually though.[/size]
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Montana
 
  1  
Reply Sat 13 Nov, 2004 05:41 am
Baldimo wrote:
Montana wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
Montana wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
Montana wrote:
georgeob1 wrote:
Montana wrote:
george
why do you keep mentioning me up in Canada? What difference does it make where I am?


Because it is related to the question of paying payroll taxes here.


And how is that related? No matter where I am now, it doesn't change the fact that I paid my taxes in the US for 24 years, so what are you saying? Are you discriminating against me because I moved to another country? If not, then I don't see your point!


How long do you expect to receive benefits? If you paid in to the system for 24 years how much do you think you paid in? Lets say you have paid in $10,000, if you get about $1,000 a month, then you didn't even pay into the system a full years worth of coverage. Your going to collect for more years then you put in on average; so tell me how this is fair?


Ha! You think after only 24 years of working that I'll be entitled to $1000 a month. I wish! I won't even get half of that, if anything at all.

By the way Baldimo, don't waste your breath addressing me anymore, because this is the last response you'll get from me.


Why is it you get so offended so easily? If I was as easily offended as you were I would have left after the first week of being on this thread. Lighten up and don't be a fuddy duddy!


It's not about me being offended easily and note that I am not the only one who won't go around in circles with you.
It doesn't surprise me that people don't want to hear from the opposition but only from the choir!


This is one of the many reasons why I never address you and wish you'd stop addressing me. I have never seen you have a conversation without arguing with people or going out of your way to push peoples buttons. You are a very angry person and I keep my distance from angry people ;-)
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McGentrix
 
  1  
Reply Sat 13 Nov, 2004 10:32 am
Montana wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
Montana wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
Montana wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
Montana wrote:
georgeob1 wrote:
Montana wrote:
george
why do you keep mentioning me up in Canada? What difference does it make where I am?


Because it is related to the question of paying payroll taxes here.


And how is that related? No matter where I am now, it doesn't change the fact that I paid my taxes in the US for 24 years, so what are you saying? Are you discriminating against me because I moved to another country? If not, then I don't see your point!


How long do you expect to receive benefits? If you paid in to the system for 24 years how much do you think you paid in? Lets say you have paid in $10,000, if you get about $1,000 a month, then you didn't even pay into the system a full years worth of coverage. Your going to collect for more years then you put in on average; so tell me how this is fair?


Ha! You think after only 24 years of working that I'll be entitled to $1000 a month. I wish! I won't even get half of that, if anything at all.

By the way Baldimo, don't waste your breath addressing me anymore, because this is the last response you'll get from me.


Why is it you get so offended so easily? If I was as easily offended as you were I would have left after the first week of being on this thread. Lighten up and don't be a fuddy duddy!


It's not about me being offended easily and note that I am not the only one who won't go around in circles with you.
It doesn't surprise me that people don't want to hear from the opposition but only from the choir!


This is one of the many reasons why I never address you and wish you'd stop addressing me. I have never seen you have a conversation without arguing with people or going out of your way to push peoples buttons. You are a very angry person and I keep my distance from angry people ;-)


Just thought that was kind of funny.
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georgeob1
 
  1  
Reply Sat 13 Nov, 2004 11:40 am
McGentrix wrote:
Montana wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
Montana wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
Montana wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
Montana wrote:
georgeob1 wrote:
Montana wrote:
george
why do you keep mentioning me up in Canada? What difference does it make where I am?


Because it is related to the question of paying payroll taxes here.


And how is that related? No matter where I am now, it doesn't change the fact that I paid my taxes in the US for 24 years, so what are you saying? Are you discriminating against me because I moved to another country? If not, then I don't see your point!


How long do you expect to receive benefits? If you paid in to the system for 24 years how much do you think you paid in? Lets say you have paid in $10,000, if you get about $1,000 a month, then you didn't even pay into the system a full years worth of coverage. Your going to collect for more years then you put in on average; so tell me how this is fair?


Ha! You think after only 24 years of working that I'll be entitled to $1000 a month. I wish! I won't even get half of that, if anything at all.

By the way Baldimo, don't waste your breath addressing me anymore, because this is the last response you'll get from me.


Why is it you get so offended so easily? If I was as easily offended as you were I would have left after the first week of being on this thread. Lighten up and don't be a fuddy duddy!


It's not about me being offended easily and note that I am not the only one who won't go around in circles with you.
It doesn't surprise me that people don't want to hear from the opposition but only from the choir!


This is one of the many reasons why I never address you and wish you'd stop addressing me. I have never seen you have a conversation without arguing with people or going out of your way to push peoples buttons. You are a very angry person and I keep my distance from angry people ;-)


Just thought that was kind of funny.



Helloooooo anyone down there?
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blatham
 
  1  
Reply Sat 13 Nov, 2004 01:31 pm
the center cannot hold
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georgeob1
 
  1  
Reply Sat 13 Nov, 2004 02:56 pm
Well - things don't seem to be falling apart yet.
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Montana
 
  1  
Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2004 04:54 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Montana wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
Montana wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
Montana wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
Montana wrote:
georgeob1 wrote:
Montana wrote:
george
why do you keep mentioning me up in Canada? What difference does it make where I am?


Because it is related to the question of paying payroll taxes here.


And how is that related? No matter where I am now, it doesn't change the fact that I paid my taxes in the US for 24 years, so what are you saying? Are you discriminating against me because I moved to another country? If not, then I don't see your point!


How long do you expect to receive benefits? If you paid in to the system for 24 years how much do you think you paid in? Lets say you have paid in $10,000, if you get about $1,000 a month, then you didn't even pay into the system a full years worth of coverage. Your going to collect for more years then you put in on average; so tell me how this is fair?


Ha! You think after only 24 years of working that I'll be entitled to $1000 a month. I wish! I won't even get half of that, if anything at all.

By the way Baldimo, don't waste your breath addressing me anymore, because this is the last response you'll get from me.


Why is it you get so offended so easily? If I was as easily offended as you were I would have left after the first week of being on this thread. Lighten up and don't be a fuddy duddy!


It's not about me being offended easily and note that I am not the only one who won't go around in circles with you.
It doesn't surprise me that people don't want to hear from the opposition but only from the choir!


This is one of the many reasons why I never address you and wish you'd stop addressing me. I have never seen you have a conversation without arguing with people or going out of your way to push peoples buttons. You are a very angry person and I keep my distance from angry people ;-)


Just thought that was kind of funny.


I know I'll kick myself for asking, but why do you think this is funny? By The way, I often wonder if you and Baldimo are one in the same.
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Slappy Doo Hoo
 
  1  
Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2004 05:00 pm
Montana, I got yo' back, bitch. I'll go and punch someone in the lip for talking to you like that.

Internet tough guy...right here.
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paulaj
 
  1  
Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2004 05:19 pm
<sigh>
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Slappy Doo Hoo
 
  1  
Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2004 05:24 pm
Paula's here.

<runs away, masturbates on shoes to asian porn>
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paulaj
 
  1  
Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2004 05:26 pm
Slappy Doo Hoo wrote:
Paula's here.

<runs away, masturbates on shoes to asian porn>


Why am I being affiliated with asian porn?

<sigh>
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Slappy Doo Hoo
 
  1  
Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2004 05:42 pm
I have officially gained a groupie.
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paulaj
 
  1  
Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2004 05:42 pm
<smiles>
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Slappy Doo Hoo
 
  1  
Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2004 05:44 pm
Fetch me a beer.

<runs away, masturbates again to asian porn>
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paulaj
 
  1  
Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2004 05:49 pm
<shakes beer and points at slappy>

<oops>
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Montana
 
  1  
Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2004 07:09 pm
Slappy Doo Hoo wrote:
Montana, I got yo' back, bitch. I'll go and punch someone in the lip for talking to you like that.

Internet tough guy...right here.


Hey Slap man, thanks for the cover ;-)
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Mon 15 Nov, 2004 05:32 pm
Phoenix32890 wrote:
Quote:
This does not consitute elimination of the social security benefits that baby boomers expected throught the time they paid into the program but it does consitute the possibility that what was promised to them will not be paid in full.


Craven- Oh, I understand that. (It's just that you can explain it better than I do! Very Happy ) And that is precisely why the privitization concept was promulgated. What I was attempting to do was allay the fears of some members who apparently thought that social security was going away completely, in favor of private retirement programs.


Thing is, many economic conservatives want it to go away completely. Heck, I'm not a socio-economic conservative but I favor a different system too.

But privatizing even a part of it just further endangers it as the system depends on revenue that would be redirected to private coffers.

For this to happen without reduction of outlay we can't have the kind of deficit spending/tax cuts.

I think people are right to be worried.

The outlay issue is a tough one to win in America, winning it by "starving the beast" (cut taxes, as this is an easy political win and increase discretionary spending in popular budgets) is something to worry about.

The way things are being done seems to be headed toward total elimination. I actually think that's a good idea, but only if it's done above the table, not by starving the beast (the nature of starving the beast as a methodology is such that some of the beastlets starve too).
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dyslexia
 
  1  
Reply Mon 15 Nov, 2004 05:42 pm
Well of course I am not sure of the facts as I have only read one estimate of the costs involved in this plan but it was 2 trillion $, which is quite a large sum on top of our current deficit.
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Craven de Kere
 
  1  
Reply Mon 15 Nov, 2004 05:46 pm
From reading the rest of the thread I think a lot of the anger at the "government" stems from a basic misunderstanding of the structure of Social Security and it's flaws.

A pity that the fix will likely come at the expense of some "beastlets".
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 15 Nov, 2004 07:31 pm
Craven,

I wonder if it is just 'misunderstanding'. The basic concept of the wealth transfer is simplicity itself - not much there to tax the average mind. Yet even this thread has revealed the powerful emotional factors that get in the way of understanding and acceptance. The feeling of entitlement is very powerful, and people can be quick to assume that promises have been given when in fact they have not, and, indeed, when they cannot possibly be fulfilled. Sadly politicians are quick to exploit this, and portray themselves as the protector of those who will not choose to understand and accept.

I believe the Bush plan involves some degree of bailout from the Federal Treasury to protect the benefits of those who choose to stay in the system. However even with this, I believe it is inevitable that the age for full benefits will be increased to 70 or 72 years. Ity was hardly noticed a few years ago when the entitlement age was increased from 65 to 67.
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