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The continued reference to Mary Cheney by the Dems

 
 
OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Sat 16 Oct, 2004 08:11 pm
Thanks IB.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sat 16 Oct, 2004 08:44 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:

I'm really screwed. I'm agnostic and I've never had a Flu shot... now what am I supposed to do?


LOL! Try this: If out in public, wash your hands every hour. Try to not touch your face, especially your eyes, unless you do. (This is a remedy - it works! - absent a flu shot.)

As to the agnostic part - you're on your own LOL.
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bashtoreth
 
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Reply Sat 16 Oct, 2004 08:53 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
but in case he's busy talking to bush or napping or something...buy a few guns......and stock up on duct tape and plastic.....


I've got the guns, plastic, and duct tape, but W won't return my calls! What do I do?
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Sat 16 Oct, 2004 08:59 pm
JustWonders wrote:
OCCOM BILL wrote:

I'm really screwed. I'm agnostic and I've never had a Flu shot... now what am I supposed to do?


LOL! Try this: If out in public, wash your hands every hour. Try to not touch your face, especially your eyes, unless you do. (This is a remedy - it works! - absent a flu shot.)

As to the agnostic part - you're on your own LOL.
Perhaps that's why I seldom get the Flu. That's my normal MO. Cool
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sat 16 Oct, 2004 09:05 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
JustWonders wrote:
OCCOM BILL wrote:

I'm really screwed. I'm agnostic and I've never had a Flu shot... now what am I supposed to do?


LOL! Try this: If out in public, wash your hands every hour. Try to not touch your face, especially your eyes, unless you do. (This is a remedy - it works! - absent a flu shot.)

As to the agnostic part - you're on your own LOL.
Perhaps that's why I seldom get the Flu. That's my normal MO. Cool


Well, ok then - if you can avoid sinning, say, until around Spring, you're home free Smile
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Sat 16 Oct, 2004 09:07 pm
Shocked Damn it. I knew I was doomed.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Sat 16 Oct, 2004 09:57 pm
bashtoreth wrote:
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
but in case he's busy talking to bush or napping or something...buy a few guns......and stock up on duct tape and plastic.....


I've got the guns, plastic, and duct tape, but W won't return my calls! What do I do?


You have to go through Jesus to get to bush these days.....
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Sat 16 Oct, 2004 10:16 pm
A little related humor......

Q: What do you call a room with 50 democrats and 50 lesbians

A: 100 people who don't like dick.......
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sun 17 Oct, 2004 03:03 am
OCCOM BILL wrote:
such a saint


there are no saints in politics. some may start out that way, but they don't last long if they don't learn to use a pitchfork. Evil or Very Mad

everyone has an agenda. you, me and the little old lady down the street. Laughing
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 17 Oct, 2004 11:07 am
This column spells out O'Bill's argument on the issue, I guess, as well, as, well, O'Bill could ...
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sun 17 Oct, 2004 02:53 pm
The only cheap and tawdry political trick here is pretending that John Kerry's mention of Mary Cheney was somehow a cheap and tawdry trick.

It's just something else for conservatives to pretend to be outraged by.

Mary Cheney has been out for a long time. Kerry's comment was simply a way of humanizing the question -- pointing out that being gay is not a liberal or conservative issue, any more than is skin color or gender. Anyone can be gay, even the daughter of the Republican Vice President.

This (mentioning that someone's daughter is a lesbian) is only cause for outrage if you think homosexuality is cause for shame.

But this is how it's going to be for the next couple of weeks. If John Kerry says "have a nice day," Republicans are going to accuse him of disrespecting night shift workers.

They know they're losing, and they're desperate.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sun 17 Oct, 2004 03:16 pm
Joe Nation wrote:
Take a deep breath, hold it for a moment and then let it all out.Joe


nice.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Sun 17 Oct, 2004 05:46 pm
nimh wrote:
This column spells out O'Bill's argument on the issue, I guess, as well, as, well, O'Bill could ...
I should speak so clearly! Confused ... thanks Nimh!
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 17 Oct, 2004 05:53 pm
How about pasting that article guys. I'm not a subscriber.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Sun 17 Oct, 2004 06:13 pm
http://images.chicagotribune.com/media/thumbnails/columnist/2001-07/295611.gif
John Kass
With 1 remark, Kerry shows his other face


Published October 17, 2004


In one of my favorite westerns, a skinny Marlon Brando turns to his betrayer, Karl Malden, and says:

"You're a one-eyed Jack around this town, dad, but I've just seen the other side of your face."

The movie was aptly titled "One-Eyed Jacks." I thought of it during last week's presidential debate, while listening to the ostentatious sincerity in a politician's voice.

I heard the words, "We're all God's children," and then, "... Cheney's daughter, who is a lesbian."

That's when Sen. John Kerry became a one-eyed Jack.

He delivered the other side of his old altar boy's face on national television, moving eagerly from the Almighty to the knife.

You might not see it that way. It certainly won't have any long-term effect in the Republican-Democratic brawl over same sex marriage, despite the fresh Republican effort to turn it to their advantage.

Reporters look for style in presidential debates, but the public looks for gut checks.

And Kerry offered something unsettling about himself, something oily and quick, perhaps something quite treacherous.

The one-eyed jack drops to all politicians. It has happened plenty to President George Bush. His painful refusal to answer a simple question about whether he'd made any mistakes hurt him terribly a while back, since it didn't mesh with the crafted image of the forthright, humble man of the West.

There was a painful rip in the screen for Bush, and reality bubbled through. When reality interferes with advertising, there is danger.

Kerry's bumbling is stretching into this weekend's news cycle. The Washington Post published a poll on Friday that an overwhelming majority (64 percent) of voters viewed the Kerry remark as inappropriate. This includes half of all swing voters and four in 10 of Kerry's own supporters.

Debate moderator Bob Schieffer of CBS asked Bush and Kerry whether they believe that homosexuality is a choice.

The president said he did not know. I don't know anyone who truly believes this. Yet that was his answer, political and careful.

Then it was Kerry's turn to speak. He knows he's quite good in debates. He wasn't careful.

"We're all God's children, Bob," Kerry said as if he meant it. "And I think if you were to talk to Dick Cheney's daughter, who is a lesbian, she would tell you that she's being who she was, she's being who she was born as."

Right then, there was a groan among reporters covering the debate, the way you might groan if your favorite football team fumbled on the goal line.

Kerry obviously wanted to charge Bush with hypocrisy for opposing same sex marriage. But it wasn't the Democrats' first use of Mary Cheney in national debates. That took place earlier, in the debate between Vice President Dick Cheney and Kerry's running mate, Sen. John Edwards.

Edward's bit was smoothly done. Cheney acknowledged as much, quietly thanking Edwards for kind words said about his family.

Edwards is a practiced trial lawyer and has an ear for variance in tone. Kerry has been a senator for so long he hears only the tone of his own voice.

So when Kerry mentioned God's love and publicly wrapped himself up in it before transforming Mary Cheney into a rhetorical shiv, we weren't seeing something spontaneous.

It was a tactic previously employed. He was eager to use it himself.

Imagine if President Bush had said something like that about a Democrat's daughter, to explain a Democrat's support for same-sex marriage.

We'd be swimming in national outrage, in angry news stories about how candidates should never use another's child as a weapon, about those Republicans "in thrall" to some intolerant Christianity. But Bush didn't say it, Kerry did, and now the journalistic attitude is one of mitigation.

Republicans are beating the story. The vice president's wife, Lynn Cheney, is in the lead, calling Kerry's remark a "cheap and tawdry political trick." Yet she did not shout so after Edwards' remarks, and it smacks of feigned political outrage.

Democrats tried playing it down, but then it got uglier, with Edwards' wife suggesting the Cheneys were ashamed of their daughter.

We all know what we're being served: Democratic and Republican attempts to use any lever, a mother's anger, a daughter's sexuality, God's love, to pry votes out of the swing states.

Still, Kerry was doing so well in the debates. Then something prideful pushed him into one-eyed jack territory. Whether he pays for it in votes, I can't say.

Americans were looking for a glimpse of the real man inside the suit. And he provided an eyeful.

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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 17 Oct, 2004 08:09 pm
As was pointed out on several of the morning newstalk shows: Both were asked the question Is homosexuality a choice?

The President says he doesn't know (what a crock) and Kerry says ..."I think if you were to talk to Dick Cheney's daughter, who is a lesbian, she would tell you that she's being who she was, she's being who she was born as."

Maybe Kerry was implying that it was Bush who ought to talk with Mary, maybe he'd learn something.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sun 17 Oct, 2004 08:26 pm
And yet, Elizabeth Edwards thinks homosexuality is a preference. Guess they're not as united on this as they'd have us believe.
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willow tl
 
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Reply Sun 17 Oct, 2004 08:36 pm
JustWonders wrote:
And yet, Elizabeth Edwards thinks homosexuality is a preference. Guess they're not as united on this as they'd have us believe.



NO, i think it shows that in the Democratic Party we are allowed different opinions :wink:
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 17 Oct, 2004 08:43 pm
That's our flaw, JW, we actually embrace people who don't believe exactly the same things we do. We're a little embarrassed by them sometimes, but we hope that they will come around to our way.

BTW gotta link for that Edward's statement?


Joe
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 17 Oct, 2004 08:43 pm
ya beat me to the punch willow
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