@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
Quote:Obama Separated 72,000 Parents from Their Children by 2014
Quote:This is from the left-wing Alter-net on June 26, 2014:
Washington’s cruel immigration policies are separating tens of thousands of parents from their children who are living here perfectly legally. According to a report obtained by the Huffington Post, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) last year carried out more than 72,000 deportations of parents who said they had U.S.-born children.
This startlingly high number comes from reports sent by ICE in April to the Senate Appropriations Committee and the Judiciary Committee, which lay out 72,410 removals of immigrants who said they had one or more U.S.-born children in 2013. Children born in the U.S. are automatically granted citizenship, but millions of them (approximately 4.5 million according to a report by Human Impact Partners), have at least one, sometimes two parents who are undocumented. The reports emerge precisely at a time when President Obama faces increasing pressure to change immigration policies in order to keep families together, and the House completely stalls immigration reform.
http://www.independentsentinel.com/obama-separated-72000-parents-from-their-children-by-2014/
What bugs me the most about you lot just willy nilly making 'rebuttal' posts, saying 'Look! Obama did it too, see???', is that you don't even bother to get your frigging facts straight, even when
the differences are plainly listed in the quote itself
Trump was splitting families of illegal immigrants up at the border, separating children from their parents. This generated all the outrage. As a rebuttal, you proudly state that this leftist news source claimed the same thing happened under Obama. But it says so in the quote itself: '72,000 deportations of parents who said they had U.S.-born children.'
That's a difference right there. Claiming you have US. Born children means said children are US citizens, because of a little thing called the 14th amendment: as quoted from
wikipedia: 'Since the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution on July 9, 1868, the citizenship of persons born in the United States has been controlled by its Citizenship Clause, which states: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.'
So it's a different story: when illegal immigrants are discovered who claim to have US born children, their children are legal citizens, and can't be deported, whereas the parents, who are illegal, should be deported from the country. As a matter of fact, for decades there's been debate about this very situation, as both Democrats and Republicans were afraid illegal immigrants would use their offspring, if born on US soil, as a means to get themselves approved for citizenship as well.
But there's more. What also annoys me is that you seemingly refuse to go back to the source, which, apparently, was a report obtained by the Huffington Post? So I looked for the article made by the Huffington post. Furthermore, you only quote those passages that are pertinent to the claim you wish to make, without bothering at least mention, or perhaps even read, the rest. Well, I did (btw, the article in question should be this one:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/parents-deportation_n_5531552.html?section=australia).
Note the following passage:
Quote:ICE said 71,214 parents of U.S.-born children who were deported fit its priorities. The priorities include convicted criminals, people caught attempting to enter the country illegally, people who had returned after a previous deportation, and people who failed to report to ICE after a deportation order, according to the report. Because some people may have been deported more than once, the figures reflect total removals, not the exact number of individuals who were deported. The numbers do not include deportations of parents who fail to tell agents they have U.S.-born children or parents whose foreign-born children are undocumented.
As you can see, these are not all harmless individuals. Am I a fan of this type of policy? No. But it's the result of the law, and people seeking to abuse it for their own gain.
Next: The political situation in 2014. Now, let's refer once again to this little snippet of a quote of yours, this time, to the sections you obligingly put in boldface:
'President Obama faces increasing pressure to change immigration policies in order to keep families together, and the House completely stalls immigration reform.' The house in 2014 was considered hostile to Obama, to such an extent that it is considered the least productive congress in US history, apart from the one just before it(
Source).
In 2014 (at the end of the year, so after the Huffington Post article referred to in this post), it seemed that Obama considered an executive action that, among others, would
Quote:It would offer a legal reprieve to the undocumented parents of U.S. citizens and permanent residents who've resided in the country for at least five years. This would remove the constant threat of deportation. Many could also receive work permits.
(
Source) Interesting.
Of course, the Republicans responded: Boehner denounced the executive action, and then minutes later proceeded to announce a lawsuit against Obama over Obamacare. The bill didn't make it to the floor to be voted on.
So what you have is Trump being caught separating children and parents at the border, and the Trump supporters claiming Obama did the same. Except for the fact he didn't: as a matter of fact, it was a Republican controlled hostile Congress that blocked his efforts to make changes to the immigration law.
I'm done now. Can't wait to see what sort of stuff you'll name me for calling you out on some lazy ass fact checking.
