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The new Democratic party. What will it look like?

 
 
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revelette1
 
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Reply Sat 31 Dec, 2016 04:03 pm
Democrats fret over identity politics in Trump era

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WASHINGTON — Donald Trump’s White House victory, fueled in part by nativist rhetoric, has exposed schisms over race in the Democratic Party, as minority lawmakers worry the party will abandon its diverse constituency in the hunt to win back working-class whites.

Several members of the Congressional Black Caucus, the former head of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, and activists who work with both groups cautioned in interviews against turning away from the coalition that helped President Obama win two terms.

“By focusing in on, primarily, the white middle and working class, and by taking for granted the black working class or the black underclass, the party will add an arm and lose a body,” said Representative Bobby Rush, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus from Chicago. “The black vote is the foundation of the Democratic Party and we won’t be taken for granted.”

The Democrats’ internal debate over identity politics, and how much to prioritize issues of race, has been fueled by some prominent congressional Democrats who called on the party to develop a retooled, economics-first message specifically targeting white working-class voters — the group some analysts deemed responsible for Trump’s victory over Hillary Clinton.

“Clinton] should have won this election by 10 percentage points,” Senator Bernie Sanders, the independent from Vermont who challenged Clinton in the Democratic primary, said after the general election. “The question is: Why is it that millions of white working-class people who voted for [President] Obama turned their backs on the Democratic Party?”

The data back up Sanders’ point. Compared to Obama in 2012, Clinton fared significantly worse among white voters in Pennsylvania, Iowa, Ohio, Wisconsin, and Michigan — and lost all four states. In the latter two states, Clinton received only 42 percent and 36 percent of the white vote, respectively, compared to Obama’s 48 percent and 44 percent in 2012.

Vice President Joe Biden, whose working-class roots in Scranton, Pa., are a core part of his political identity, has said he believes the Clinton campaign, and the Democratic Party, has not “shown enough respect” for disaffected whites.

Representative Tim Ryan, a Democrat from Ohio, mounted an unsuccessful bid against Nancy Pelosi of California as House minority leader in part, he said, because the party had been overtaken by “coastal elites” who place an outsized priority on social and cultural issues. Another vocal congressional Democrat, Kurt Schrader of Oregon, went further, denouncing the party’s recent focus on issues of race and identity.

“We had a pure social, cultural agenda this election cycle,” Schrader said. “It’s time for us to get back to [economics].”

Prominent Democrats said a balance needs to be struck. Clinton also underperformed Obama among young people, nonwhites, and college-educated voters, so Democrats must also maintain their efforts to pursue those groups. Furthermore, analysts have said, the country’s demographics are changing in the Democrats’ favor — as it becomes more diverse, such states as Georgia, Arizona, and even Texas may come within reach.

“I don’t want to overcorrect here,” said Representative Linda Sanchez, a California congresswoman and the former head of the Hispanic caucus. “I don’t think we need to lose one part of our base to appease another. The Democratic message appeals across the ethnic and racial divides.”

Issues of identity like race, gender, and sexuality are ultimately intertwined with the economy, and not acknowledging that could threaten to make the party vulnerable to widespread voter apathy among nonwhites, according to Carol Anderson, a professor who specializes in African-American studies and history at Emory University.

“The problem with this argument is that those who want to get rid of identity politics seem to only be interested in getting them to stop talking about black people or immigrants,” Anderson said. “African-Americans had never had the luxury of looking for perfection among politicians. But what African-Americans are looking for is someone who ‘gets it’ . . . and to craft an economic solution that ignores the way race and racism has played, is not a solution.”

Anderson also challenged the party to ask a more fundamental question.

“For those saying we need to eschew identity politics but also saying we need to speak to white working-class voters — do they not have identity?” she asked.

In a sense, the professor and some of the lawmakers are reacting to the open debate among Democrats about their direction of their party.

Sanders, for one, who did not return a request to comment for this article, has repeatedly said he does not want the Democratic Party to abandon minority communities. Ryan, who led the charge against Pelosi, has said he favors a message that answers the call of struggling Americans and that would speak to all races or creeds.

But some lawmakers, such as the fiery Rush, are determined to pressure his party’s leaders for a continued focus on people of color.

“If I see my party not considering, even more intensely than they’ve done in the past, the economic, social, and political climate of the people I represent, the people I’ve been fighting for all my life, then I’m going to raise hell,” Rush said.

One example of the direction Democrats could turn is Representative Keith Ellison, who is seeking to become the next chairman of the Democratic National Committee. Ellison is a Midwestern liberal with strong support among unions and the middle class. He is also black and a Muslim. If he is selected, it could be signal that the party intends to merge its message of diversity with one of economic progress.

Ellison’s chief challenger, Tom Perez, the secretary of labor, is also a liberal with a diverse background.

“Going into the midterms and 2020, a compelling message would be one that brings the country together,” said Cornell William Brooks, president of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. “[It would] acknowledge the racial challenges that we face but charts a common future in which everyone is included. And everyone is included in terms of our economic stake in the future.”

In interviews, lawmakers rejected drastic changes to the party’s focus.

Sanchez, who was recently promoted to the House Democratic Leadership team, acknowledged that Democrats can sometimes overemphasize diversity, especially in explicit ways that can make others feel excluded.

It’s about threading a needle, she said, and recognizing the audience.

“If I go into a union hall in Pennsylvania, I may not talk about immigration. But if I go to a union hall in New Mexico or Texas, I may talk about immigration,” Sanchez said. “You have to focus on the most important message to the audience.”

Robin Kelly, a Democratic lawmaker from suburban Illinois, advocated for a similar subtlety.

“I think that we can talk about economics, and that we can do it under a big tent,” Kelly said.”

When she was introduced as a new member of the House Democratic Leadership team, Sanchez chose not to speak about her roots as a child of Mexican immigrants and instead identified herself as a working mother, empathetic of the common person in difficult economic times.

Her choice was intentional.

“Diversity should speak for itself,” she said.

georgeob1
 
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Reply Sat 31 Dec, 2016 04:41 pm
@revelette1,
Very interesting. It appears the Democrats are having a very hard time untangling themselves from the thicket of identity politics they got themselves into. Their largely self serving internal constituencies such as the Congressional Black Caucous are struggling to find a way to appeal to "uneducated white males" ( love that unctious conddescending phrase !) without diminishing their own power and influence.

Meanwhile Donald Trump almost effortlessly keeps their and the liberal media's panties in a twist with his taunting daily tweets. It's becoming fun to watch.
old europe
 
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Reply Sat 31 Dec, 2016 06:30 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
Meanwhile Donald Trump almost effortlessly keeps their and the liberal media's panties in a twist with his taunting daily tweets. It's becoming fun to watch.


The conservative standards for what qualifies as proper Presidential behavior seem to have inexplicably changed in recent months.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jan, 2017 03:07 pm
Former Clinton apologist Van Jones talks tough about their reign and damage to black Americans.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/01/politics/van-jones-hillary-clinton-cnntv-state-of-the-union/index.html
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jan, 2017 05:57 pm
@Lash,
I sure hope he is right. Wink
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jan, 2017 05:59 pm
@georgeob1,
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What the hell direct knowldge or experience gives you standing or credibility for this statement about the standarts of American conservatives for this or anything else?


It sure seems that the standarts have changed. It seems they have become more sharply pointed toward antisocial behavior.
old europe
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jan, 2017 11:35 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
Is that all you have for a response?


Well, I was also going to point out the laughable hypocrisy (and possibly irony) involved in whining and complaining about the use of a phrase like "uneducated white males" - calling it an "unctious[sic] conddescending[sic] phrase" - while simultaneously rejoicing in the "taunting daily tweets" of the guy who has made a career out of condescending, insulting, and offending people.

Then I thought that this was kind of self-evident to anyone who read your post, and skipped that part.

But, you asked.

georgeob1 wrote:
What the hell direct knowldge or experience gives you standing or credibility for this statement about the standarts of American conservatives for this or anything else?


It's pretty obvious to anyone in the world that bragging about his penis size on the stage of the Republican primaries (to point out only one example of verbal diarrhea) didn't exactly eliminate Trump as a Republican Presidential candidate. Apparently, enough conservative Americans watched this display of rhetorical brilliance and said to themselves "Yep, this guy epitomizes the best the Republican party can offer. He's exactly the person which should represent our nation in the world. Presidential material right there."

However, I'll admit that I might not have sufficient knowledge of American history to say whether this is just an aberration, or whether the standards of American conservatives have always been this low (or possibly lower). So I'll defer to your superior knowledge and experience when putting the current, incredibly low standards of American conservatives regarding what passes as Presidential behavior into a wider societal and historical context.
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revelette1
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jan, 2017 09:22 am
Regardless of all the rhetoric and nonsense, I like this thread whatever it's intended purpose and who shows up just to troll. I think this question is one where democrats need to self reflect and come to honest answers after considering all sides.

After reading the last piece I left, which really was just laying the problem we faced in the 2016 election out there, I think people tend to be too either/or when it is not called for at all. We should definitely not abandon good causes such civil issues but we should expand it to the poor working whites and minorities in rural areas who have been left behind in social programs. I've been thinking this for years since I live in southern KY and I see a lot of it first hand.
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revelette1
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jan, 2017 09:50 am
@Frugal1,
Well, soon you will not have to worry about Obama and already you don't have to worry about Hillary. The ball is in the conservative/Trump court and it is all on them because democrats have no way to really interfere for one reason or another. I see disaster coming after all the hate and rhetoric of these last few years from republican conservatives. They have put themselves in a box with no one to blame but themselves when it implodes.

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"He said, 'Now you guys own it. Now fix it. It's on your watch now,'" recalled GOP Rep. Pat Tiberi, chairman of a pivotal health subcommittee. "And this is a supporter."


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Krumple
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jan, 2017 10:47 am
@revelette1,
Sure some Trump supporters are racist towards minorities. But leftist regressive liberals are racist towards whites. They aren't any better but they like to think they are better than Trumpers.

You keep talking as if the right are going to shoot themselves in the foot any day. The thing is the left keep beating the right to the self sabotage punch.

If Trump saved an old lady from being ran over by an SUV who was too busy texting to notice the red light. The left would cry that Trump violated that old lady's right to cross the street under her own will to make her own decisions. According to the left no matter what Trump does itll be wrong even if it's what they want.
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jan, 2017 11:09 am
@Krumple,
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If Trump saved an old lady from being ran over by an SUV who was too busy texting to notice the red light. The left would cry that Trump violated that old lady's right to cross the street under her own will to make her own decisions. According to the left no matter what Trump does itll be wrong even if it's what they want.


I am a registered Democrat very Liberal and progressive but I would think Trump did a good thing if he saved an old lady or anyone.

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