The new Democratic party. What will it look like?

@Lash,

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It wasn’t meant to be like this.

Hillary Clinton was supposed to be president.
The Democrats were supposed to be competitive in the Senate and the House.

LOL! Reality is just a concept to liberal progressive democrats.

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I agree.

Radical economic populism is only thing that can save Dems now

It is way too long to post and hard to know where to cut it off. Basically, it says, advocate to extend benefits to those beyond the bottom 20% and a return to labor unions and industrial policy that characterized the new deal.

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@revelette1,

Reaching across the isle and working with the republicans is the only thing that will save the dems.

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@georgeob1,

Conforming to conservatism hasn't done the democrats any good; witness the last election. So I say, we might as well go all out and advocate for what we actually believe in and extend beyond the bottom 20% to include poor working males in the rural areas of the US and struggling middle class who live from pay check to pay check.

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@Frugal1,

As though we haven't been doing that for years now.

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@revelette1,

Liberal progressive democrats haven't reached across the isle for the last 8 years,
obama even told republicans he won, and that they could ride in the back of the bus.

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I had a curiosity about North Korea "What it would be like if I visited it"
What I found in one video is that their people seem to be delusional just like our people.

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0xb037WgAAmUjg.jpg:large

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@Frugal1,

Brilliant. Good to see the Dem's really breaking through.

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@revelette1,

revelette1 wrote:

Conforming to conservatism hasn't done the democrats any good; witness the last election. So I say, we might as well go all out and advocate for what we actually believe in and extend beyond the bottom 20% to include poor working males in the rural areas of the US and struggling middle class who live from pay check to pay check.

Perhaps I missed the "conforming to conservatism: in the recent campaign. Indeed the ever facile and pandering Hillary expressly advocated all of Bernie Sanders absurd goals - free college, etc.

You had your choice in the Primary when, as I recall, you were a dedicated Hillary supporter, and opposed to Sanders. Do you believe the result would have been any different had Sanders won the primary?

In any event no visible internal reassessment or debate is yet underway within the Democrat Party and so far the same tired old incumbents appear to be in charge. The only change afoot is the new leadership of the DNC - a post which the far left Rep. Keith Ellison appears sure to win. If this is indicative of the future direction of the party you may get your wish.

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I am not sure where many progressives will go from here but I will be encouraging folks to check out the green party.

We may have 4 years to educate ourselves and others if we don't die first.

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North Carolina is no longer considered a Democracy.

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@reasoning logic,

Lol! It never was a democracy.

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@reasoning logic,

That's a terrible option.

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Have any of you heard of the new group called "Brand New Congress"?

It seems to be a group of concerned citizens looking to replace many people in congress with more common type of people who represent average Americans, instead of the millionaires, billionaires and attorneys who are in congress now.

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Do you want a good laugh?

This talks about how the DNC loves wars.

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@reasoning logic,

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It seems to be a group of concerned citizens looking to replace many people in congress with more common type of people who represent average Americans, instead of the millionaires, billionaires and attorneys who are in congress now.

Imagine that!

This stuff is so difficult. When you get average people in, after a while they cease to become average and their interests change, and...

The large size of a nation (population) also mitigates against these things. Ancient Rome had the same issues. Rich landowners infiltrating government, complete with the 'democratic' governmental opposition - Tiberius Gracchus who because he was opposed to the rich having everything and wanted more equitable laws and economies was eventually beaten to death and dumped in the Tiber.

Geneva had a run at it ostensibly giving some 5000 'common' people (IIRC) (out of 25,000) a right to vote on issues decided by 200 who were further informed by a counsel of 25. Eventually, the 25 began to pick the 200 and the 5000 dwindled to 1,500.

Very difficult slogging. But I think it should be tried, it can't hurt and maybe with our current level of information and relative openness, we can do better than our predecessors? Whatever it is it probably should involve frequent rotation of gov't and massive public involvement. Very difficult to achieve. This comes with its own issues, but the goal shouldn't be perfection. Just betterment of what we have now..

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Nancy Pelosi donating her brain to science is impressive. The fact that she did it a decade ago is more impressive.

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@revelette1,

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Actually I don't think the end of conservatism is anywhere near at hand, it might take a few generations, but I do believe it is coming. In every poll, progressive ideas are more acceptable to more people in the US, yet their votes don't reflect it. There is an odd paradox there, I admit; it might have to do with where more people live than anything. I am not really smart enough to figure all that out. I do know in poll after poll, people want free health care, better education, they wanted free college, the list goes on. Bernie Sanders had a large following for a reason that has not disappeared. If Trump runs the country the way I think he might, ultra conservative, all of those Bernie Bros are not going to be too happy unless it was just fad. I think it is too simplistic to say it is bad polling even though I know the predictable response.

Our history and the history of all representative governments going back to Rome and Athens reveal a continuing pattern of shifts from conservatism to what we today call liberal. I know of no evidence suggesting these things will ever change. They arise from human nature and the tumult that occurs between those who lead, create and seek power and those who wish to be left alone, but provided for in an emergency. I don't think that looking at things on a ten or so year cycle reveals any lasting truth.

People always want free stuff, and that always has an appeal. However the distribution problem so addressed presupposes that someone else solves the problem of producing the stuff that is to be distributed free. The 20th century provided us with a number of laboritories, some very large like China, the USSR, India before 1980, and Cuba and Venezuela today. The result in each case was the same - relative poverty for all, tyranny and the loss of personal freedom.

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