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The new Democratic party. What will it look like?

 
 
georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 25 Dec, 2016 04:31 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Merry Christmas to all our snowflakes, cheese eaters, and all us "libtards". Whenever I hear those ttempts at insult, it becomes so obvious that the folks shouting them are jealous of the intellect they lack


Well its a lot more lighthearted than the 'vast movement right wing conspiracy' **** that Blatham and his servile acolytes here endlessly serve up, or even the vulgar stupidities that your resident intellectuals like Rabel and Monterey Jack offer us.

Don't you think you are being just a little pretentious here?
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Frugal1
 
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Reply Sun 25 Dec, 2016 07:04 pm
@MontereyJack,
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You have never yet made an intelligent post here.


You really think so? - Thank you.

MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 25 Dec, 2016 07:59 pm
@Frugal1,
First time i've ever seen someone boast about posting nonsense. No, I take that back. Donald Trump lied for 18 months solid and boasted about doing it. He your model in untruthiness, frug?
Frugal1
 
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Reply Sun 25 Dec, 2016 08:20 pm
@MontereyJack,
MJ, hasn't that nasty woman been lying for about 30 years?
She was the poster child for liberal progressive democrats.
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Frugal1
 
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Reply Sun 25 Dec, 2016 08:57 pm
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15727362_10209756945734576_1618983377085632078_n.jpg?oh=00a118a4d601cb97dc24bdb4c5ef45c6&oe=58E46925
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 25 Dec, 2016 09:15 pm
@Frugal1,
In 1876 the Republicans sold out the ex slaves by abandoning Reconstruction for robber baronism. In the 60's when Dems supported civil rights and voting rights the segregationists al.ost u animllously joined the GOP. Stop distorting histodry.
Frugal1
 
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Reply Sun 25 Dec, 2016 09:21 pm
@MontereyJack,
MJ, you are a distortion.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Sun 25 Dec, 2016 11:04 pm
@MontereyJack,
Monty, if you just refuse to post to this ignorant jerk he might eventually go away. I have a list of people who I bypass without reading.
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Frugal1
 
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Reply Mon 26 Dec, 2016 07:34 am
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 26 Dec, 2016 09:57 am
@Frugal1,
No. You dont know history so you make it up. Or rather the right wing spinmeisters do and you accept their distortions unqquestioningly.
revelette1
 
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Reply Mon 26 Dec, 2016 10:35 am
Timothy Egan: Red State Hope for Democratic Blues

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For the longest nights of the year, there is no better place to be than on snow-crusted ground, staring up at Montana’s big empty sky. Democrats across rural America must know the feeling, this Christmas week, of looking into a black void and feeling so very alone.

There is a chance for the pulse to quicken — a flash of the northern lights, perhaps, the distant howl of a wolf — in that utter darkness. And there is hope for a party spurned in the wide-open spaces of the country, as well. Meet Steve Bullock, the newly re-elected Democratic governor of Montana.
Donald J. Trump took Montana by 20 percentage points — a rare win for celebrity-infatuated megalomaniacs in a state whose voters can usually smell the type from a hundred miles out. But once again, Democrats won the governor’s office, and did it with votes to spare. Bullock’s Mountain State secret sauce is something national party leaders should sample during their solstice.

A week after the election, Bullock went deer-hunting with his 10-year-old son. This doesn’t mean Senator Cory Booker of New Jersey should start shooting Bambi near the Meadowlands. But the cultural thing is a wash for Bullock. As a Montana native and a graduate of Columbia Law School, he has a foot in both coastal elitism and prairie pragmatism.

“Every morning my wife and I drop our kids off at the same public schools that we went to,” he said. Public, that’s key. As in public land — the great shared turf of the American West. Public health, which the governor expanded in this poor state. Simple stuff, grounded in the nontoxic populism of the past.

So when the Trump administration starts taking away people’s health care, trashing public schools with a church-lady billionaire as education secretary, or colluding with a Congress that wants to offload public land, Montana can offer a resistance playbook.

I asked the governor to give some specific advice to fellow Democrats. “Show up,” he said, noting that Barack Obama was at the Fourth of July parade in the hardscrabble Montana mining town of Butte in 2008. That year, the black community organizer from Chicago came within 2 percentage points of winning a state with one of the smallest black populations in the nation. To Hillary Clinton, on the way to fund-raisers with tech millionaires, Montana was flyover country.

Had she gone to Great Falls or Glendive, she would have seen that struggling white people desire the same things that struggling people in diverse urban areas want. Bullock brought Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion to his state — a literal lifesaver to thousands, forcing Republicans to defend the indefensible. He attacked Republican calls for tax cuts as budget busters and community-killers. And in a state where hate groups still pop up like poisonous mushrooms, he was a champion of Native American sovereignty and gay and lesbian rights.

“It’s not about identity politics,” he said. “It’s about trying to bring everybody up.”

That’s the theme. Everybody. Not just the “emerging demographics,” charted on many a Democratic PowerPoint. Vice President Joe Biden, that son of Scranton, Pa., sounded much like Bullock, but his fellow Dems didn’t listen. Perhaps they’re listening now.

“I mean these are good people, man!” Biden said on CNN this month. “These aren’t racists. These aren’t sexists.” A former Iowa governor, Tom Vilsack, tried to remind Democrats that rural America is about 15 percent of the population — larger than the Hispanic vote.

Democrats shouldn’t need a translator to learn how to speak to these lost constituents. Franklin Roosevelt, a bit of a dandy from Hudson Valley wealth, knew the language. It’s about lifting up those left behind. And taking it directly to those who obstruct progress.

Bullock didn’t abandon people whose paycheck is dependent on coal. Nor did he make false promises about coal roaring back. Even coal plant owners acknowledge that their days are numbered as the free market turns to cheap natural gas to generate power, and as the world turns away from it for self-preservation.

With the Trump presidency, truth will be a commodity more precious than the gold lining his throne in Manhattan. He no sooner won the Electoral College than he started the Trump era with a big lie, saying he’d achieved “a historic electoral landslide.” For the record: His victory ranked near the bottom, 46th out of 58 presidential elections.

But it was historic — no president has ever lost the popular vote by a larger number, almost 3 million votes. And yet half of Republicans believe that he won the popular tally.

As we say goodbye to a dreadful year, one that should be bound up in chains and dropped into the Missouri River, Democrats should not forget that they have the majority on their side on almost every major issue. It’s time they got reacquainted with the millions of other people who make up that majority.
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Frugal1
 
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Reply Mon 26 Dec, 2016 10:52 am
@MontereyJack,
Wrong again!

MJ, losing is your new normal.
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Frugal1
 
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Reply Mon 26 Dec, 2016 11:55 am
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0nhY0bUcAECPVq.jpg:large
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maporsche
 
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Reply Mon 26 Dec, 2016 01:58 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Trump beat Hillary nationwide--except for a surplus of votes in one state.


It doesn't work that way Lash and you know it.

Californians are ALSO American citizens, in case you forget.
Frugal1
 
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Reply Mon 26 Dec, 2016 02:37 pm
@maporsche,
Read the EC vote. That's how it works here.
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Frugal1
 
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Reply Mon 26 Dec, 2016 02:47 pm
@maporsche,
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Californians are ALSO American citizens, in case you forget.


Not ALL of them are legal American citizens.
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 26 Dec, 2016 03:07 pm
@maporsche,
Haha. I guess you need a reminder. It DOES work that way.
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 26 Dec, 2016 06:08 pm
Do any of you believe Seth Rich is one the reason for Hillary's loss?

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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 26 Dec, 2016 08:10 pm
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revelette1
 
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Reply Tue 27 Dec, 2016 10:28 am
In my personal opinion for whatever it is or not worth, I think in order for democrats to come back from the 2016 election where we lost no matter how much or by how little, we have got to quit letting small differences and accusations stand in the way of what is important. Hillary lost, democrats did not get enough senators to affect the majority in the senate or turn the majority in the house. We gained some governors and we lost some governors. So be it. Most of the ones with Hillary's generation are getting up there in age anyhow and can't really run again in the mid terms, so what good does it do to keep rehashing the primary? I agreed with a lot of Bernie Sanders ideas and he is still a senator who votes with the democrats most of the time. If things go the way it is looking with Trump and all those he is choosing to head his cabinet, 2018 doesn't look bad.

However, not very republicans will be up for re-election and those are in Red states. I say though, nothing is impossible and we can turn at least two of the red states blue and that is all we need if we can keep all the senators we currently have, which is by no means a given. It depends on how bad things are going, really and how enthusiastic people are. Bernie keep your revolution going strong, we need it now more than ever.

Personally I feel as though we are in last throes (to put it in Cheney's words) of conservatism. It is like they are going to be given all the rope they need to hang themselves, slowly. It is just living in this last throes that is the killer.

Just my 2 Cents
 

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