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Hillary Ahead By 14 Points. Trump In A Tailspin.

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2016 03:13 pm
@blatham,
Why people bother to thumb down what current poll numbers were just can't live with facts. Also childish.
Blickers
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2016 04:07 pm
@revelette2,
Quote revellette:
Quote:
So, knowing what we know with latest polling since the upset of Comey's announcement, what state is Clinton's chances of winning? Is it going to come down to the wire as they say or is Clinton clearly going to win on election night?

The popular vote, at least, is headed for coming down to the wire. If you see the chart below, which is the 4 candidate chart since July you can see that Johnson started going down right about late September, (when Hillary won the first debate), and Hillary at first got most of his voters. Clearly, Johnson, who was projected to get Republican votes, was pulling votes from both Hillary and Trump. However, once Johnson's Democratic voters returned to Hillary, then Johnson started losing his Republican voters. In the last few weeks, Gary Johnson's loss and Trump's gain have mirrored each other.

If Johnson continues to lose 2 or 3 percent more in the last week, which seems likely, then the polls will show an even match in the popular vote. Since the Electoral College switches quickly as a candidate picks up popular votes-gaining a few points in the popular vote means you gain a lot in the Electoral College vote-this thing looks to be about dead even by Election Day.

http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah279/LeviStubbs/Hillary%20vs%20Trump%20Nov%201%204%20way_zpsnd2iki5g.jpg

It would not surprise me if that if Hillary wins, it will be "the ground game"-the ability of the Democratic Party to get out the vote on Election Day-that makes the difference. Trump doesn't have the Republican Party fully behind him, his "ground game" is not going to be up to par.

The other, rarely discussed factor is how many married women, when interviewed by pollsters while standing next to their husband, are saying they are voting for Trump to "keep peace in the family" and avoid an argument-then plan to vote for Hillary because of Trump's comments about women. If Hillary wins by a several point margin on Election Day, it will almost certainly be because married Republican women kept mum until they got to the polling place, then voted against Trump.
blatham
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2016 04:23 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I ignore the thumb up/thumb down function. I don't use it and don't attend to it as a metric worth my attention. It's anonymous, which is something I am seriously against which is why I've always posted everywhere using my real name.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2016 05:26 pm
@blatham,
I hear you and agree. Unless we know who the people are that thumbs up or down, it has no value.
Rather, a graph showing approval or disapproval of voters would have more meaning.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2016 07:00 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Trump's path to victory is to win all of the red states on this map plus one of the gray states:
http://www.270towin.com/presidential_map_new/maps/Qx09J.png
As of when I'm making this post, Trump has all the red states but three (Florida, Nevada, and North Carolina). And he is gaining ground in Florida:
http://electionbettingodds.com

Of course, gaining North Carolina, Nevada and one of the gray states is easier said than done.

He's got Florida on the election betting site -- at least at the moment of this post; it'll probably wobble back and forth a few times.

Kind of hard to see him gaining one of the gray states though without the polls being wrong.

The betting site shows North Carolina nearly 50/50. If Trump gets North Carolina, that will leave only Nevada and one of the gray states.

Actually he doesn't need Nevada if he gets a big enough gray state. But it can be presumed that if he gets a gray state he'll probably also have gotten Nevada at the same time.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2016 07:24 pm
@oralloy,
Do you really believe that? What do you think the odds are?"
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2016 07:46 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Do you really believe that?

It's what the site says.


cicerone imposter wrote:
What do you think the odds are?"

At the moment of this post, the site says:

President:
Hillary: 72.7%
Trump: 26.1%

Senate Majority:
Democratic: 61.5%
Republican: 38.5%

House Majority:
Democratic: 8.5%
Republican: 91.5%
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2016 01:52 am
Some movement on the BBC poll. Clinton 48% Trump 46%.
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revelette2
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2016 09:09 am
@Blickers,
So you think it could be dead heat, but Clinton will manage to win because of the democrat ground game of get out the vote and some republican women who might vote for Hillary on election day but are not admitting it now? I hope we don't have to depend on the latter. From what ehbeth has posted these last few months, the Clinton's ground game has been great so perhaps that will be enough as long as there are not Trump stalkers intimidating voters.
revelette2
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2016 09:31 am
I thought the following might interest some of you, it is an analysis on 538 based on 270 To Win maps .

Which Tipping-Point States Favor Trump?
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Blickers
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2016 11:00 am
@revelette2,
Quote revellette:
Quote:
So you think it could be dead heat, but Clinton will manage to win because of the democrat ground game of get out the vote and some republican women who might vote for Hillary on election day but are not admitting it now?

I thought that yesterday, until I turned on the Lawrence O'Donnell show on MSNBC last night. He dealt with the people who are doing the Florida early voting exit poll, that is the Target Smart/College of William & Mary poll. This poll showed that 28% of Republicans who voted early voted for Hillary. Granted that the early voters tend to be a little different from voters on Election Day, that is still a bombshell which changes everything.

It could be Republicans who have found some things Trump says agreeable but now that's it's time to actually send someone to the White House, it can't be Trump. Or, it could be Republican women who made up their minds permanently when they heard Trump shoot his mouth off on that bus. Either way, the normal presidential crossover percent from one party to another is a mere 6%, Trump can't win with a quarter of Republican voters voting for Hillary.


ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2016 11:08 am
hopefully more people will join this bandwagon

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/10/31/kasich-vows-not-to-vote-for-trump/93092170/

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The Ohio governor, who has pledged not to vote for GOP nominee Donald Trump, voted by absentee ballot Monday and wrote in Sen. John McCain, Kasich spokesman Chris Schrimpf confirmed to The Cincinnati Enquirer.


McCain ftw!
revelette2
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2016 03:29 pm
@Blickers,
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This poll showed that 28% of Republicans who voted early voted for Hillary.


Yah!! Hope it continues.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2016 03:36 pm
@ehBeth,
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McCain ftw!

And McCain is, I expect, already sick of the winning, there being so much of it for him.
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Blickers
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2016 08:38 pm
I would like to see more exit polling in other early voting states besides Florida, just to see if the same startling amount of Republicans plan to vote for Hillary in other states.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2016 01:58 am
More movement on the BBC Clinton 48% Trump 45%.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2016 06:57 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
According to FiveThirtyEight, Trump's path to victory is to win all of the red states on this map plus one of the gray states:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/if-trump-wins-heres-how-the-map-might-look

http://www.270towin.com/presidential_map_new/maps/Qx09J.png

As of when I'm making this post, FiveThirtyEight's "Polls Plus" page has Trump winning every red state on that map. That gives him 265 electoral votes, and all he needs in order to win is one of the gray states.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#plus

Of course, this doesn't mean the polls aren't wrong in one direction or another. And they might have to be wrong in order for one of the gray states to fall to Trump. And I wouldn't be surprised if North Carolina and Nevada wobbled back and forth between Trump and Clinton a few times. Interesting development though.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2016 07:09 am
So, that's your first post here and it's a dilly. You go on ignore immediately.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2016 07:37 am
@blatham,
Katie Hopkins is probably the most hated woman in Britain. She courts controversy by spouting extremist views. This is more of the same.

She's a joke. Nobody takes her seriously.

http://brightcove.vo.llnwd.net/e1/pd/4221396001/4221396001_4013108320001_perez-thumb.jpg?pubId=4221396001

http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article6388257.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/MAIN-Swap-Katie-Hopkins-for-50000-Refugees.jpg

https://eternalidolinterlude.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/1467225_685448108152814_594567189_n.png

http://couchtripper.com/pics/faceless-hopkinsgorgon.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CN-uF75UYAA5_7C.jpg
blatham
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2016 03:03 pm
@izzythepush,
I'm not familiar with her so thanks for the alert.
 

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