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Hillary Ahead By 14 Points. Trump In A Tailspin.

 
 
Reply Mon 10 Oct, 2016 11:06 am
Oct 10 2016, 12:44 pm ET
Poll: After Trump Tape Revelation, Clinton's Lead Up to Double Digits
by Carrie Dann



As Donald Trump's campaign reels over tapes of the presidential candidate's sexually aggressive comments about women in 2005, the Republican nominee now trails Hillary Clinton by double digits among likely voters, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

The poll, conducted on Saturday and Sunday but before the second presidential debate, shows Clinton with 46 percent support among likely voters in a four-way matchup, compared to 35 percent for Trump.
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Libertarian Gary Johnson's support stands at nine percent, and Green Party candidate Jill Stein garners two percent. In a head-to-head matchup, Clinton's lead over Trump grows to 14 percent (52 percent to Trump's 38 percent.)
http://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2016_41/1744561/headtohead_c5ef2c423597e6347023e72422585d20.nbcnews-ux-600-480.png

And among all registered voters, Clinton's lead is 13 points, her largest advantage over Trump since the poll began testing the pair last September.

As Republicans grapple with how to hold on to control of the House and Senate despite the Trump campaign's woes, Democrats overall now have a seven-point advantage on the question of which party voters want to see in control of Congress.

Forty-nine percent of voters say they'd like to see Democrats in power on Capitol Hill, compared to 42 percent who chose the GOP.

That's up from a three-point advantage for Democrats (48 percent to 45 percent) last month, and it's the largest advantage for Democrats since the October 2009 government shutdown.

Although voters overall are split over the impact of the 2005 tape of Trump describing kissing and touching women's bodies without their consent, less than a quarter of Republicans say that the revelations should be grounds for other GOP Senate and House candidates to drop their backing of Trump (nine percent) or call for him to drop out of the race (14 percent.)

A total of 52 percent of respondents say that the audiotape should be an issue in the campaign, while 42 percent say it should not be an issue.

While 31 percent of voters say Trump's comments about women were "Inappropriate, but typical of how some men talk in private with other men," a larger share - 41 percent - say the remarks were "completely unacceptable."

The poll of 500 registered voters was conducted October 8-9 and has a margin of error of 4.4 percent for all registered voters and 4.6 percent for likely voters. NBC News will also release another post-debate poll in the coming days.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/poll-after-trump-tape-revelation-clinton-s-lead-double-digits-n663691
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revelette2
 
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Reply Mon 10 Oct, 2016 11:23 am
@Blickers,
What worries me is, we are so used to Trump and American's attention span is fickle. Trump managed to keep the focus on Hillary's emails and Obamacare and a supposed failing foreign policy of which she was part of; that may have stopped the hemorrhage of his own party. He told lots of lies about all of it but people don't really care. Hillary was much more attentive to the audience and answered their questions rather than attacking Trump continuously. I hope there is another tape or some such.
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revelette2
 
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Reply Mon 10 Oct, 2016 12:12 pm
Perhaps Hillary is setting Trump up?

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Donald Trump survived Sunday night's dark and bitter presidential debate but that's about all he did.


The bar has now been set so low for the GOP nominee that he could do the following on stage in St. Louis and still receive passing grades: suggest that as president he would jail his opponent; defend Vladimir Putin and Russia over the hacking of the U.S. election; praise brutal Syrian tyrant Bashar Assad; admit to not paying federal income tax; and rebuke his own running mate for daring to criticize Russia over the indiscriminate bombing of Syrian civilians.

That's a very partial list.

Trump also lied with enthusiastic regularity, again saying he opposed the second Iraq war before it started (he didn't), claimed his opponent would jack up the tax rate on the middle class (she says she won't) and protested that he did not Tweet at 3 a.m. that people should check out a sex tape featuring a former Miss Universe (he did).

And never mind that Trump spent the first portion of the debate apologizing for a video leaked over the weekend in which he grotesquely bragged about his ability to commit sexual assault because he's a "star." Diving deeply into the gutter, Trump tried to turn the video into a bizarre bank shot attack on Clinton by bringing to the debate women who claim former President Bill Clinton sexually abused them.

Trump, who himself faced a rape allegation from ex-wife Ivana Trump and now faces one from a woman who was 13-years old at the time the alleged act occurred (Trump has repeatedly denied the allegations) argues that Hillary Clinton is worse than he is because she attempted to smear and intimidate Bill Clinton's accusers, though the evidence for that smearing and intimidation is thin to nonexistent.

Trump also spent the debate wandering around the stage and regularly crowding Clinton's space and glowering over her shoulder like a stalker. When asked by a Muslim-American in the audience how he would deal with "Islamophobia," Trump repeated the debunked claim that witnesses saw "bombs all over the apartment" of the San Bernardino terrorists and failed to report it. There is no evidence that anything like this ever took place.

In any normal election season, Trump's debate performance would be graded a campaign-killing disaster. But 2016 is no ordinary year, and Trump was already so gravely wounded, with Republicans across the country rescinding their endorsements, that his ability to avoid a complete meltdown Sunday night ranks as a "win."

And Clinton for her part opted not to go for the kill shot. She mostly laughed off Trump's attacks and declined to bring up the sexual assault allegations against him, instead pivoting to her own vision for the nation's future. The lack of aggression irritated some Democrats who wanted to see Clinton knock down a staggering opponent.

But the high-road approach appeared to work with voters who declared Clinton the winner of the debate in multiple polls. And Clinton may have held back for strategic reasons, preferring to keep Trump alive rather than bait him into campaign killing moments that could drive him off the ticket in favor of Mike Pence. Clinton would likely win in any scenario but a Trump withdrawal would create significant uncertainty in a race that is now tilting back heavily in Clinton's direction.

Even before the explosive video surfaced over the weekend, Clinton had moved back to a nearly 5-point lead in the RealClear Politics average of general election polls. She has taken back the lead in the battlegrounds of Ohio and Florida and now appears to be a lock in Pennsylvania and Virginia. She has many paths to 270 electoral votes, Trump at the moment has none.

All the usual caveats apply. There is a final debate in nine days in Las Vegas. More damaging information could come out about Clinton. External events could shift the landscape in the GOP nominee's favor. But at the moment, the American people appear to have decided that while they may not like Clinton very much, they find her qualified to serve as president while Trump is not.

And Trump did just well enough in the second debate to stagger to the finish line of a race he is almost certain to lose.


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Blickers
 
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Reply Mon 10 Oct, 2016 12:30 pm
@revelette2,
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Trump also spent the debate wandering around the stage and regularly crowding Clinton's space and glowering over her shoulder like a stalker.

That's one of the things that really struck me. The more you see Trump in person, the more it becomes obvious that Trump is a person who seeks to dominate anyone in his company. Hillary is clearly aiming much of the remaining weeks at women, figuring that Trump's dominating, "I will crush you" persona will drive women away from Trump, and I think she's right. The more you see Trump, the harder he gets to take, especially among women.
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Blickers
 
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Reply Mon 10 Oct, 2016 01:05 pm
@McGentrix,
Trump's ridden the "I wanna be an alpha and vote for Trump" train as far as it's going to go. 53% of the votes cast in 2012 were from women. If you have fantasies of the female half of the country doing a swoon because they finally have the chance for vote for real man in Trump, have fun. You're getting blitzed Nov 8.
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Blickers
 
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Reply Mon 10 Oct, 2016 01:28 pm
@Krumple,
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What I don't get is why he didn't fire back with a simple explanation.

"Should we hold the statements made by Hillary ten years ago against her?"

"She was avidly against gay rights ten years ago. She has changed and so have I."

But no leftist think the past is only relevant if it's held against their opposition. "How dare you hold Hillary's past against her! But Trump, yeah his past is relevant."

Homosexuality was considered immoral since forever, at least in Western culture. People were raised to consider it as such, and if you didn't consider it immoral people thought there was something wrong with you. Only in the last few decades has that position even been questioned at all. The acceptance goes in several stages, from it's not all right to beat homosexuals to it's not right not to hire them because of their homosexuality to finally, recognizing homosexual marriages as valid. The overwhelming majority of Americans have undergone this change of attitude on that gay marriage question.

However, it was never considered all right to assume you had the right to walk up to a woman you've never met before and place your hand on her crotch because you are a star. There's been no general shift in attitude on that on the part of most Americans, it was considered totally wrong in past decades, and it is considered wrong now. That's the difference.

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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 10 Oct, 2016 02:08 pm
We may well get the house back, too.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Mon 10 Oct, 2016 03:06 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
I dont believe that for a second but that would be great. Real government for a change.
Krumple
 
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Reply Mon 10 Oct, 2016 03:09 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

We may well get the house back, too.


Great, more emotion based legislation.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 10 Oct, 2016 05:05 pm
@RABEL222,
14 points is enough to turn the House.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2016 04:05 am
According to the BBC it's not that high. They give 50% to Clinton 44% to Trump.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37450661<br /> <br />
revelette2
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2016 06:33 am
@McGentrix,
The following is from a conservative woman, needless to say, I don't agree with her outlook on anything. In fact, I am kind of surprised to read it. I didn't know this sentiment was out there among conservative women.

In Supporting Trump, Conservative Men Abandon Conservative Women

Luma Simms - The Federalist - Monday, October 10, 2016


bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2016 06:35 am
@izzythepush,
The BBC is trying to make this look like a horse race. tRump is looking at a beating on the level of Barry Goldwater's.
engineer
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2016 06:41 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Clinton is solidly ahead, but not by 14 points. This point is an anomaly on one side. There are polls where the race is close also but they don't garner the same headlines.
engineer
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2016 06:48 am
@revelette2,
That's an interesting article from a viewpoint I don't normally see. I thought this section was interesting.

Quote:
In light of all this, I say that by supporting Trump with his lecherous nature, and coarse attitude toward women, the majority of Republican men, and some evangelical leaders, have abandoned conservative women. This is an ethical failure. Pope John Paul II said in his “General Audiences on the Theology of the Body”: “Christ… assigns the dignity of every woman as a task to every man.”
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2016 06:50 am
@bobsal u1553115,
The BBC is a bit cautious, but they're not trying to make it seem like anything. Most of the people reading it don't have a vote in this election.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2016 06:53 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

You've been a beta for a long time, huh? Women don't fall for beta rhetoric. Of course I'm not a woman so I only speak from experience. The alpha's attract far more women so we will have to wait and see.

This alpha/beta stuff is nonsense. It's a bullshit mythology that assholes have dreamed up in order to justify being bullying assholes.

What ends up is that the guys who want to be bullying assholes end up being rejected by everyone other than bullying assholes. Then they form bullying asshole packs where all they see are bullying assholes, and congratulate themselves on having solved the mysteries of society.

And the rest of society breathes a sigh of relief, because they don't have to invite the bullying assholes to the nice parties.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2016 07:31 am
@DrewDad,
Sounds like something a beta would say.
 

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