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Hillary Ahead By 14 Points. Trump In A Tailspin.

 
 
maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2016 02:53 pm
@giujohn,
giujohn wrote:

Ok enough with the donut jokes...we all didn't eat donuts...I for one ate bagels


But donuts are so so good!!! If I can't get a maple one, I usually go with an apple fritter.
giujohn
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2016 02:58 pm
@maporsche,
Damn I hate those apple fritters...if I have a donut it is a cruller.
roger
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2016 04:00 pm
@giujohn,
Dayum. Twenty - nine down votes over a donut! That says a lot less about giujohn than it does about a minimum of 29 others on the forum.
giujohn
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2016 04:02 pm
@roger,
I'm loving it man...means I got under their skin!
Krumple
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2016 04:03 pm
@giujohn,
giujohn wrote:

I'm loving it man...means I got under their skin!


Yeah they wont be sleeping well.
giujohn
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2016 04:06 pm
@Krumple,
Dreaming of me???
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2016 04:11 pm
Wow that tailspin was murderous!
revelette2
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2016 04:43 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Yeah, it lasted until Comey opened his mouth for nothing. Follow the trend, her numbers kept falling until it was down to the margin of error. I am not claiming cause and effect, just that both happened around the same time.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2016 05:44 pm
@revelette2,
You're not claiming, but you are suggesting...strongly.

I don't think many Americans were thinking HRC was as pure as the undriven snow until Comey announced he was re-opening the investigation, and let's not forget that he did what she and her supporters demanded - Reach a conclusion ridiculously quickly, and in her favor. You can't blame one statement and ignore the other.

In any case the reports of the overwhelming lead she had were clearly bogus and an attempt by the MSM, that with this election jettisoned even the pretext of journalistic integrity, to depress Trump voter enthusiasm.

Krumple
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2016 05:49 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

You're not claiming, but you are suggesting...strongly.

I don't think many Americans were thinking HRC was as pure as the undriven snow until Comey announced he was re-opening the investigation, and let's not forget that he did what she and her supporters demanded - Reach a conclusion ridiculously quickly, and in her favor. You can't blame one statement and ignore the other.

In any case the reports of the overwhelming lead she had were clearly bogus and an attempt by the MSM, that with this election jettisoned even the pretext of journalistic integrity, to depress Trump voter enthusiasm.




In a round about way are you saying that there are still a huge group of americans who take american media with a grain of salt?

Doesnt this mean the propaganda attempts arent as effective as they would like?

If you are then it's acompliment that people still think rather be dictated to how they should think.

Im not so certain this is the case.
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revelette2
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2016 05:53 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Actually I am not shy, if I wanted to say something I would say it. The truth is, there hasn't been enough research done to determine how much Comey's announcement had an effect on Hillary's lead she had coming off the debates and Trump vulgar sex scandals. I'll wait for more evidence before making definitive statements. As for the polls, not all polls are equal and not everyone was saying the same. I really don't care enough to argue polls, you guys have a habit of just saying stuff without anything to back it up, I imagine this meme of bad polls will just run it's course.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2016 06:00 pm
@revelette2,
Quote:
The truth is, there hasn't been enough research done to determine how much Comey's announcement had an effect on Hillary's lead


Do you know of one person anywhere online or off who said it was because of Comey's announcement that made them not vote for Hillary? Logic
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2016 07:13 pm
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2016 08:01 pm
@reasoning logic,
I do
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2016 09:27 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
In any case the reports of the overwhelming lead she had were clearly bogus and an attempt by the MSM, that with this election jettisoned even the pretext of journalistic integrity, to depress Trump voter enthusiasm.


The Fox News poll had her up by 8 points in a poll conducted on October 10-12. Also part of the MSM conspiracy to depress Trump voter enthusiasm?
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2016 09:36 pm
@revelette2,
The other big cause (as evidenced by the fact that not only did she drop but he gained), IMO, was that Trump managed to shut up (see: twitter taken away by campaign stories) and stick to the script. He himself noted the difference in coverage when all the quotes they could get from him came from his speeches. The public has a microscopic memory (this is by far the biggest surprise to me this month, how short this has become) and the "grab them by the pussy" drop was forgotten in mere weeks.

If Trump can restrain himself he is going to be very formidable as he has always been his worst enemy.
Krumple
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2016 10:11 pm
@Robert Gentel,
Robert Gentel wrote:

The other big cause (as evidenced by the fact that not only did she drop but he gained), IMO, was that Trump managed to shut up (see: twitter taken away by campaign stories) and stick to the script. He himself noted the difference in coverage when all the quotes they could get from him came from his speeches. The public has a microscopic memory (this is by far the biggest surprise to me this month, how short this has become) and the "grab them by the pussy" drop was forgotten in mere weeks.

If Trump can restrain himself he is going to be very formidable as he has always been his worst enemy.


He is a negotiator, how good of one Im unsure but thats how I see him. He sounds insane but those statements are ectreme for a reason, so you agree in the middle where you wanted to be. The public just isnt use to hearing negotiation tactics.

Like Obama got criticized for being too soft on issues. Trump will seem too extreme but a compromise will be made in the middle.
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2016 10:16 pm
@Krumple,
Krumple wrote:
He is a negotiator, how good of one Im unsure but thats how I see him. He sounds insane but those statements are ectreme for a reason, so you agree in the middle where you wanted to be. The public just isnt use to hearing negotiation tactics.


I have studied negotiation extensively (can recommend many books if you are interested). His lack of self-control has nothing to do with negotiation skill and is merely a personal disposition he has.
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2016 10:21 pm
@Robert Gentel,
Let me elaborate very briefly:

Some fundamentals to negotiating is to focus the discussions on what you want to achieve and what your interlocutor's goals are as well. You can never loose sight of what you are trying to get, even as things get emotionally heated (e.g. you might want to call the guy an asshole but if you want something from him keeping that goal in mind might indicate to you that it is not always the greatest idea in negotiation). Find common ground and work toward reaching mutually satisfying agreements (the notion that a good negotiator is a hard-ass is a false stereotype, when that approach works it only does out of a position of power and not negotiation and it actually hurts negotiations. One key principle to remember in negotiations is that you usually have to negotiate with the parties again and raking them over the coals is something you can get away with if you already had the power to do so, thusly not really needing to negotiate anything, but will reduce your ability to find good partners in negotiation in the future).

You should also know your best alternative to a negotiated settlement at all times and not overplay your hands. For example, if you were to demand that Mexico build a wall or that China bend over and take it in the rear you should note that you do not actually have any power to compel them to do so if they tell you to pound sand. You would then realize that making such demands is foolish theater, not sound negotiation.
Kolyo
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2016 10:26 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:

Dayum. Twenty - nine down votes over a donut! That says a lot less about giujohn than it does about a minimum of 29 others on the forum.


I sometimes miss irony.

None of you actually believe 100 different people are voting gooey down, do you?

I would hazard a guess that when negativity hits a hundred we aren't even talking about one person manually operating multiple accounts any more. We're talking about an automated process.
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