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Hillary Ahead By 14 Points. Trump In A Tailspin.

 
 
Krumple
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2016 10:30 pm
@Robert Gentel,
Robert Gentel wrote:

Let me elaborate very briefly:

Some fundamentals to negotiating is to focus the discussions on what you want to achieve and what your interlocutor's goals are as well. You can never loose sight of what you are trying to get, even as things get emotionally heated (e.g. you might want to call the guy an asshole but if you want something from him keeping that goal in mind might indicate to you that it is not always the greatest idea in negotiation). Find common ground and work toward reaching mutually satisfying agreements (the notion that a good negotiator is a hard-ass is a false stereotype, when that approach works it only does out of a position of power and not negotiation and it actually hurts negotiations. One key principle to remember in negotiations is that you usually have to negotiate with the parties again and raking them over the coals is something you can get away with if you already had the power to do so, thusly not really needing to negotiate anything, but will reduce your ability to find good partners in negotiation in the future).

You should also know your best alternative to a negotiated settlement at all times and not overplay your hands. For example, if you were to demand that Mexico build a wall or that China bend over and take it in the rear you should note that you do not actually have any power to compel them to do so if they tell you to pound sand. You would then realize that making such demands is foolish theater, not sound negotiation.


I agree with you. I never said he was good at it. I think he has had success in the past with being the ruthless kind and thought this would work on the world scale.

You do have to admit, it did win him traction early on even if it was negative attention people were still saying his name. That sqeeky wheel and negative publicity is good publicity. I think he is aware that this worked for him.

Will he calm down? I guess we will see but I suspect the crazy extreme comments are not done. Hes loose with words unlike we have had with eight years of carefully crafted Obama statements.
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2016 11:25 pm
@roger,
It's not different people. The vote fraud will be dealt with when we have time and the counts reset to real numbers and users involved permanently banned.
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2016 12:10 am
@Krumple,
His style had success at getting free attention during the campaigns but wasn't much of a negotiation. He definitely is good at getting attention, I'll grant him that. He's also been successful at negotiating compensation for the attention through licensing his name in the past but I have no idea if he even negotiates those deals himself.
chai2
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2016 01:15 pm
@Robert Gentel,
Totally agree Robert.

He doesn't negotiate.

I see negotiation as resulting in a mutally satisfying outcome. Not threatening someone.

How different it would be if instead of "We're going to build a wall around Mexico, and THEY are going to pay for it", it was "I could like to see Mexico and the U.S. enter an agreement for keeping borders secure, where both countries benefit, and share the costs."

I was watching part of the movie Big Eyes last night. In it one of the main characters said something like "Ask for twice as much as you're willing to get. They counter with half that amount."

Any further counters back and forth from there will only benefit you.

Negotiation also doesn't involve demeaning someone. But that's another story.

In Trumps version of "negotiation", he gives a overblown ultimatum, then of course will back down to a middle position. Because he proclaims himself so explosively, it just makes him look like he doesn't stand by his word.

I mean, come on. Go into it not yelling my way or the highway. At least acknowledge there is a middle ground.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2016 01:46 pm
@nimh,
Maybe. I don't share your opinion that Fox was pro-Trump
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2016 01:54 pm
@Robert Gentel,
Yes, of course this is so, but it's hardly a revelation.

His crude comments about women were inexcusable, but they were more braggadocio than the confession of a sexual predator. He had little Billy Bush lapping up all of his salacious comments and like a powerful male pig, he went for it. Unfortunately this really is a "locker room" mentality with a lot of men.

But it really is hypocritical for Democrats who dismissed President Bill Clinton's sexual escapades (which many believe did involve predation) to have had the vapors over this audio tape.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2016 01:57 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
but they were more braggadocio than the confession of a sexual predator.


Do you mean that the ten women who came forward with their experience with Trump doesn't count?

Do you remember when Trump said he was going to sue those women after the election? How long should we wait?
Krumple
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2016 02:02 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Yes, of course this is so, but it's hardly a revelation.

His crude comments about women were inexcusable, but they were more braggadocio than the confession of a sexual predator. He had little Billy Bush lapping up all of his salacious comments and like a powerful male pig, he went for it. Unfortunately this really is a "locker room" mentality with a lot of men.

But it really is hypocritical for Democrats who dismissed President Bill Clinton's sexual escapades (which many believe did involve predation) to have had the vapors over this audio tape.


I read Bill was bragging one time that he had over a hundred affairs with women. If thats not locker room talk.

I tried to bring up Billys past but thats the thing. Dems will claim the past is irrelevant but then claim Trumps sexual fondling ten years ago is relevant. You cant win because they only play by the inconsistent rules they want to play by.

Most millennials are not even aware of the extent of Billys sexcapades. I dont blame him though. Married to Hillary must be scary.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2016 02:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Quote:
but they were more braggadocio than the confession of a sexual predator.


Do you mean that the ten women who came forward with their experience with Trump doesn't count?

Do you remember when Trump said he was going to sue those women after the election? How long should we wait?


CI...we are supposed to ignore the allegations against Trump because they were made years after the events took place, but we are supposed to pay attention to the allegations against Clinton because the brave women just couldn't come to terms with what happened until years after the events took place.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2016 02:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
No doubt you've discounted the claims made by omn against Bill Clinton. Allegations are not facts.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2016 02:04 pm
@maporsche,
No, you are supposed to be consistent in how you regard both men
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Krumple
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2016 02:48 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Quote:
but they were more braggadocio than the confession of a sexual predator.


Do you mean that the ten women who came forward with their experience with Trump doesn't count?

Do you remember when Trump said he was going to sue those women after the election? How long should we wait?


Wasnt there something from wikileaks about some of those women were paid by the CF to come out with those stories? Not sure how valid it was but I wouldnt be surprised if they were put up to it.

Seems silly to wait ten years before telling a story about being groped by Trump. If they are false claims they should be pursued but it is a little silly for the president to be jumping into court battles over defaming claims. Shouldnt he be focussed on more important things?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2016 04:13 pm
@Krumple,
If you really think it's silly for a woman to keep quiet about Trump groping them for ten years, you really don't understand the issue. \

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-growing-list-of-women-who-have-stepped-forward-to-accuse-trump-of-touching-them-inappropriately/2016/10/15/a65ddf1c-92df-11e6-9c85-ac42097b8cc0_story.html
McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2016 04:36 pm
@cicerone imposter,
The issue is pretty clear. Some people really didn't want Trump to be President.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 11 Nov, 2016 10:31 am
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:
CI...we are supposed to ignore the allegations against Trump because they were made years after the events took place, but we are supposed to pay attention to the allegations against Clinton because the brave women just couldn't come to terms with what happened until years after the events took place.

I'd like to see both parties treated the same. If it is wrong for one party, it is wrong for the other. If it is no big deal for one party, it is no big deal for the other.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 12 Nov, 2016 09:37 pm
@oralloy,
Do you think Hitlary is a true vampire?

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 12 Nov, 2016 09:53 pm
@McGentrix,
Trump is a racial bigot, misogynist, islamophobe, xenophobe, and a thin skinned rich guy who gets upset by a tweet. What good qualities does he have?
giujohn
 
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Reply Sat 12 Nov, 2016 10:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Well...he's the new leader of the free world and commander in chief...and a billionaire...what more could you ask...


WE GOT NEXT!
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 12 Nov, 2016 10:03 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
What good qualities does he have?


If I knew for sure I would say that a good quality would be that he is not connected to Hitlary but I have not yet found enough evidence to be certain.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 12 Nov, 2016 10:15 pm
@giujohn,
You forget; he inherited his wealth.
 

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