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Why Black Lives Still Matter

 
 
ossobucotemp
 
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Wed 14 Sep, 2016 08:02 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Thanks for the link/article - I haven't read it yet, but will. I remember reading intensely re My Lai but that was a while ago now.
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glitterbag
 
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Wed 14 Sep, 2016 08:08 pm
@tony5732,
tony5732 wrote:

Well, you can play Russian roulette, or shoot yourself. Pretty simple concept, no deep thinking required.


please do, I'll bring the popcorn. every so often the herd thins itself.
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 14 Sep, 2016 08:11 pm
@glitterbag,
I'll be a witness if you share your popcorn.
hingehead
 
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Wed 14 Sep, 2016 08:16 pm
@tony5732,
Oh thanks - I think you missed my point in that case. I was just having a little dig about Powell not being captured so worthy of Trump's respect unlike McCain.
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glitterbag
 
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Wed 14 Sep, 2016 08:40 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I'll be a witness if you share your popcorn.


You bet, I'll share the popcorn and bring a few rain slickers.
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tony5732
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2016 02:40 am
@cicerone imposter,
Clinton is not the saint you make her out to be, and I do not understand where you get this "women and children" stuff about Clinton.

Trumps an ass, but like I said he is not on the same sinking ship that all of the other related connected politicians are. If we don't vote for someone who isn't part of that system you can pretty much count on our country being even more financially broke and racially divided than it is today. Voting for Clinton would be like another Obama. Our national debt TRIPLED, still at war, borderline ANOTHER war, the race thing is COMPLETELY out of control.
hingehead
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2016 06:28 am
@tony5732,
Quote:
Our national debt TRIPLED, still at war, borderline ANOTHER war, the race thing is COMPLETELY out of control.


JFC! Still at war? The war GWB started IN DEFIANCE OF THE UN.

Tripled? Do you believe what you say or have you just accepted a stat from some partisan web site that ignores the private debt component, inflation, and percentages of GDP?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/01/07/the-story-behind-obama-and-the-national-debt-in-7-charts/

Oh and to extend your metaphor - Trump won't be the same sinking ship - he'll be a torpedo pointing down. Or he'll do nothing at all. Neither will help the US and I guarantee, should he make president, you'll be railing against him in 2020
tony5732
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2016 07:09 am
@hingehead,
There's no telling, maybe I will and maybe won't, but yes TRIPLED, and I never was defending GWB, it's his fault the war/ national debt crisis started and Obama's fault it never ended.

I am just saying unless you get somebody that isn't completely tied into the system you can't expect a different result. That's insanity, doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. So given only two options, I would say go with the outsider.
hingehead
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2016 07:16 am
@tony5732,
Well, I understand your cynicism, but fact is the USA has changed - from within the system - since the Civil War ended. Robber barons and cartels were ended. Prohibition came and went. GI loans. Hoover Dam. Civil rights. Marriage equality.

What it needs is an electorate paying attention - not one that throws its hands in the air and says **** it - let it burn.
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2016 10:34 am
@hingehead,
So true! I'm very disappointed in how our country is headed, but I still vote in every election. The problem of the middle class decreasing is not a good sign for our country.
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tony5732
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2016 11:49 am
@hingehead,
I was talking more about since I have been around. All the stuff that happened in history is great and has been important, but I haven't seen anybody in my 30 years change anything for the better. I am not saying "**** it let it burn", I am saying "Lets try something new". This might be our only shot in a long time to see what happens when a non-politician takes office. I think that's big. Whether Trump does good or bad he will change the standard for how we vote for our president. That is something I would actually look forward too.

Same with Obama. He might have messed up while in office, but he set a new standard and now we have better options than "insert religious white guy here".


I see no reason not to break the mold with Trump too. We don't HAVE to have a well connected politician getting funded by the same organizations. That can change too. It doesn't have to be red,blue, donkey, elephant, liberal, conservative, etc. It can be an outsider too.
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2016 11:51 am
@tony5732,
I don't want Trump with the nuclear code, and will never vote for him. He is too unstable.
tony5732
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2016 02:04 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I wouldn't expect you to. For whatever reason, you think Hillary is some kind of saint. I am simply explaining that there IS a reason to vote for Trump, and there is an actual possibility to make a REAL change in the way we do things.

. I will vote for Trump, because whether he succeeds or not, I want to go for the NEW idea. I refuse to actually sign up for the same bullshit we have been dealing with for years
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hingehead
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2016 02:14 pm
@tony5732,
I get what you're saying, but I can't see Trump as an outsider. Sure, he's not in elected politics but he is the big end of town and made his career on screwing people financially. Worse, he's basing his run at president on appealing to the worst instincts of Americans.

I am absolutely amazed anyone who listens to him can even consider voting for him. Just on personal characteristics let alone politics.

If I had to pick an analogous situation from elsewhere in the world I'd say the election of Thaksin Shinawatra in Thailand in 2001. The working class and rural poor, long sick of endemic corruption, voted in an apolitical billionaire on the assumption that he was too rich to be corrupted. They were wrong. Being president was like a horizontal expansion of his business.

Thailand is still in political turmoil a decade after his removal in a coup.
tony5732
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2016 03:02 pm
@hingehead,
Well, liberals and establishment GOP both hate this guy. So, not being part of the system that has been screwing up all these years makes him an outsider to me. " The enemy of my enemy is my friend".

As far as screwing people to get ahead financially, I could not agree more. Trump admitted to doing this. This is the broken system that has allowed him to get ahead. He played by the rules he had in front of him, and came out on top. I don't blame him for that. If you are rich, chances are you are not really a squeaky clean stand up person. That goes for all the rich people though, INCLUDING the Clintons.

What I can't understand is how Hillary can't understand something as simple as "C means Classified", but you want to trust HER with the nuclear code. Hillary can't stand on her own two legs right now more less run a country. She is having a hard time completing sentences. The way I see it, is even if Hillary gets smart or honest enough to understand the word "classified", she is still just a liberal puppet. She is not capable of being anything else right now.

cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2016 03:04 pm
@tony5732,
I don't believe for a second that all rich people gained their riches through scamming other people like Trump. Even those other wealthy people ACTUALLY donated to charity; their own money. There are many of those; Trump is the big exception. He loves scamming people and the general public into believing he is generous to a fault. He lies.
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hingehead
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2016 03:57 pm
@tony5732,
Quote:
" The enemy of my enemy is my friend".

Funny how truisms aren't always true.

Saddam Hussein, the Taliban.

Thanks for the insight into your character given by what you can not only accept in Trump but vote for.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/e7/c7/33/e7c733bfbeb6f9a3d24955e52331788f.jpg
reasoning logic
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2016 04:42 pm
@hingehead,
I like the quote about socialism.
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tony5732
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2016 05:27 pm
@hingehead,
If you wanted insight on my character you could have just asked. I am a capitalist. I believe that there should be a flat tax rate percentage with no bullshit. If you make $10 a year you should pay 30% of $10, or $3. If you make $100000 than you should pay 30% of 100000, or 30000.

I also believe we should have a one person one vote system, without an electoral college or any of that bullshit.

I think that our tax dollars should be categorized into groups, and then each individual decides what group they want to put their tax dollars towards. For example, if you strongly believe we need Obamacare, but don't believe in throwing money at our military, than you should be able to put ALL of your taxes towards Obamacare. That way, if our country gets messed up even worse than it already is, we can at least say we did it ourselves. If we don't have enough money in education, than the people can start putting their tax dollars into educational programs.

I think we should REALLY start paying off our national debt and stop leaving today's problems for tomorrow's generation, and that we should stop spending money unless we have money to spend. I guess you can say I believe in sort of a capitalist democracy. It will never happen, but whoever pushes that agenda the most has my vote.

reasoning logic
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2016 07:01 pm
What do you think about this black power video?
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