When will TRUMP give up his candidacy?

@woiyo,

woiyo wrote:

Sensitive security issues does not include Muslims celebrating on the street corner

Sensitive security issues do include Muslims. How the US views them is very much about the security of the US.

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@woiyo,

What Clinton told 2 US families is hardly a sensitive security issue.

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@glitterbag,

I don't how anyone can read your screed about Trump supporters and not come to the conclusion that you hold them in contempt. If you don't have contempt for them you should try reading your comments before you post them.

It's not personal though since I'm not a Trump supporter, just someone who reads and hears the venom dripping from comments made about people who hold differing opinions and conclude it's not sustainable.

Not to suggest that you are personally involved because, frankly, I don't know whether you have been or not but do you think the rifts created, in this very forum, by the ugly criticism of hard core Berners by some Clinton supporters sre going to mend any time soon? And these are rifts among people who agree on a whole lot more than you and Trump supporters.

In a society that constantly pays lip service to tolerance, there is precious little of it when it comes to political views, and it's getting worse not better because our political leaders have perfected the strategy of division.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

That you would support any individual that vilified the parents of the son who gave his life for this country leaves me speechless.
Trump is just not 'another person.' He's a loudmouth that gets too much media attention which he loves, because he's a textbook narcissist.
That many see Trump as unqualified to be president is spot on! Even high ranking republicans are speaking out against Trump.

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@cicerone imposter,

This is how far gone Trump has dropped.

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Elsewhere on Thursday, Trump sounded like a man with absolutely no interest in stopping his freefall. Conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt, who so badly wants to convince himself that Trump is acceptable, offered the GOP nominee an easy way to fix up his ridiculous claim that President Barack Obama "founded" ISIS.

"You mean that he created the vacuum, he lost the peace," Hewitt kindly offered.

Trump was not interested. "No, I meant he's the founder of ISIS, I do. He was the most valuable player."

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Many of the folks posting here are Bernie supporters. If Bernie was the nominee, I would vote for him. My position has not changed, I've always stated that from the start. Where I get into trouble is when I can't join others in their seething hatred of Hillary. I don't find hate a useful emotion, but I can't speak for others. Perhaps if I was deferential to you, you might be less critical. However I don't join the conversation to parrot or flatter you. I'm direct, some call it blunt, I don't care which.

You might take your own advice and reread the posts then reconsider your claim that anybody here is a hard core Hillary supporter. If you had been paying attention, you would know that many of us (the people you lump me in with) were pro-Bernie and not especially keen on Hillary. Bernie has been good for the party, but Bernie lost. So now what? Im not so simple minded that I will believe that Hillary is actually a criminal who has murdered people. The mobs chanting at Trump rallies disturb me in a profound way. But not because I think Hillary is Mother Theresa, Trump is a dangerous vainglorious tyrant wanna-be with thin skin and an obsession to punish anyone who dares not worship him.

I knew back in 2008 that if either Hillary or Obama became the candidate and became POTUS, it would be an administration under constant attack by those who are outraged that a non-white man or god forbid a woman who didn't divorce Clinton held that office reserved for WASPs there would be hell to pay.

So, here you go, 2008 to 2016, never underestimate the American people and their lust for purity and gender balance.

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@glitterbag,

I'm like you; I can't completely trust Hillary, but I look at her background of giving to people, and I find that to be more important. What has Trump given to others? He even lied about his donations.

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@cicerone imposter,

I read parts of a deposition with Trump when he sued a reporter for not being nice. It's the first section of todays Washington Post. I wish I had come up with this phrase but I didn't. The reporter said that Trump is a routine and habitual fabulist. Try to read the article, the methods Trump employs to made himself grand is breathtaking. Reminds me of Jon Lovatts SNL character "the liar", Yeah, that's the ticket.

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@cicerone imposter,

He must have changed his mind since that interview. The pattern continues, outrage, headlines, finally denial.

Trump: Calling Obama ISIS founder was 'sarcasm'

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For the second time in less than a month, GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump is writing off a statement many found offensive - this time, that President Obama was the "founder" of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) - as "sarcasm."

"ISIS is honoring President Obama," Trump said Wednesday during a rally in Fort Lauderdale, Fla. "He's the founder of ISIS. He founded ISIS."
"I would say the co-founder would be Crooked Hillary Clinton," Trump added of his Democratic rival and Obama's former secretary of State.

Trump has previously referred to each as ISIS's most valuable player as well.
Trump doubled down on the claim Thursday in an interview with Hugh Hewitt, telling the radio host that "everyone's liking" the comments.

"I know what you meant. You meant that he created the vacuum. He lost the peace," Hewitt said.

"No, I meant that he's the founder of ISIS," Trump replied. "He was the most valuable player. I gave him the most valuable player award."

But on Friday, Trump tweeted that he was being facetious:

Ratings challenged @CNN reports so seriously that I call President Obama (and Clinton) "the founder" of ISIS, & MVP. THEY DON'T GET SARCASM?
Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 12, 2016

In July, Trump was under fire for saying he hopes Russian hackers find Clinton's 30,000 missing emails from her private server, statements he later dismissed as "sarcastic."
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 12, 2016

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

I don't how anyone can read your screed about Trump supporters and not come to the conclusion that you hold them in contempt.

It says a lot about a person, if they support the abhorrent Trump.

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

In a society that constantly pays lip service to tolerance, there is precious little of it when it comes to political views, and it's getting worse not better because our political leaders have perfected the strategy of division.

A lot of rather disgusting political views are tolerated. Tolerance is not synonymous with acceptance.

Tolerate: accept or endure (someone or something unpleasant or disliked) with forbearance.

Forbearance: patient self-control; restraint

For example, I simply walk away from anyone spouting Trump talking points, because they're already beyond hope of redemption.

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@DrewDad,

Trump is not only abhorrent, but is also incoherent. His encouragement of violence, his miscues about the Kahn family, and belittling women and the handicapped should be enough evidence for people to see him for who he really is. Are people so insensitive and hateful?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-trump-doctrine-is-an-incoherent-philosophical-mishmash/2016/05/02/1e7e1b60-1063-11e6-81b4-581a5c4c42df_story.html?utm_term=.c2433969dd03

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Well, not sure why there is an article about it now but the whole Iran/money/Obama administration is explained in the following link.

The $400 million payment to Iran was American diplomacy at its finest

Apparently it has to do with the deal Ronald Reagan reached with the international court, it was the balance which was owed, nothing to do paying ransom or drug cartels.

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

Well, not sure why there is an article about it now but the whole Iran/money/Obama administration is explained in the following link.

The $400 million payment to Iran was American diplomacy at its finest

Apparently it has to do with the deal Ronald Reagan reached with the international court, it was the balance which was owed, nothing to do paying ransom or drug cartels.

And the republicans KNOW all that, so they talk about the "terrible optics" of it happening at the same time of the hostage release, and try to fashion their attacks on Obama to make it seem like the "optics" alone should be enough to make one doubt his motives.

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@revelette2,

If it wasn't ransom, why did the plane full of hostages not take off until the plane with the money landed? Why weren't the hostages released when Obama made the wonderful nuke deal? Instead they were released months later when money was delivered on a plane in currencies that were not US dollars?

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@Baldimo,

Most likely because Iran wouldn't agree to release the hostages until some of the funds that had already been agreed to in their nuke deal actually arrived. It doesn't mean those funds were agreed to be given in exchange for the prisoners.

Cycloptichorn

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@snood,

Trump seems like the only one using those "optics" to call it something other than what it is.

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@cicerone imposter,

So many bad optics as of late from a group of people who are suppose to be the "brightest politicians" in US history.

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@Baldimo,

where'd that quote come from?

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@Cycloptichorn,

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Most likely because Iran wouldn't agree to release the hostages until some of the funds that had already been agreed to in their nuke deal actually arrived.

Do you hear yourself? That is the definition of ransom.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/ransom?s=t
noun
1.
the redemption of a prisoner, slave, or kidnapped person, of captured goods, etc., for a price.
2.
the sum or price paid or demanded.
3.
a means of deliverance or rescue from punishment for sin, especially the payment of a redemptive fine.
verb (used with object)
4.
to redeem from captivity, bondage, detention, etc., by paying a demanded price.
5.
to release or restore on receipt of a ransom.
6.
to deliver or redeem from punishment for sin.

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@cicerone imposter,

Of all the people who ran for president I thought from the start that while Hillary wasent perfect she was the best running. Bernie was a socialist Trump. In other words Bernie claimed and promised things he had to know he couldent deliver on. After 24 years of conservative attacks I'm not surprised that many people have been brain washed into believing Hillary is a liar. But after 24 years of the republican house being unable to pin anything on her but innuendo and opinion I would think most voters would disregard the republican lie machine.As to Obama not being able to do anything he did the best he or anyone could with a republican house that said from the start they wouldent let him do anything they could stop.

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