Rising fascism in the US

@oralloy,

If they can shoot you down at the slightest hint / misperception that you may be carrying a gun, police officers are obviously denying your right to own and carry arms....

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@Olivier5,

They fire in the belief that the person has a gun in their hands and is about to fire on them.

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http://amp.ledger-enquirer.com/news/local/article212275254.html?__twitter_impression=true

Dayonn Davis was 15 years old when he stole a coveted pair of Nike sneakers the owner tried to sell on Facebook.

Now 18, he’s going to spend five years in prison and 10 on probation – over a pair of shoes.

“I don’t get that,” Judge Bobby Peters said this week as he sentenced the teenager for robbery. “Must be some valuable shoes.”

They were Nike Oreos, so named for their black and white color, and sometimes priced at more than $100.

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But, Brock Peters RAPES an unconscious chick and gets probation.

Don’t waste your time wondering why so many people are pissed about injustice, institutional racism, and effects of our burgeoning plutocracy.

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@oralloy,

Which would be the rational thing to do, if cops shoot indiscriminately at random people. You'd better kill them cops before they kill you, no?

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@Olivier5,

Cops don't shoot indiscriminately at random people.

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@oralloy,

It happens. Children have been shot by police because they were carrying water pistols.

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@glitterbag,

That's not indiscriminate firing at random people. They feared that the water pistol was a real gun.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

That's not indiscriminate firing at random people. They feared that the water pistol was a real gun.

That's indiscriminate in my book, and cowardly too, since the slightest fear of being in the presence of a perhaps armed person is enough for them to kill that person.

These cops also disrespect the right of the people to bear arms... They belong in jail, or six feet under.

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@Olivier5,

You're being unreasonable. If a cop believes that someone is pointing a gun at him, he has to act as if his life is in deadly peril.

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@oralloy,

You're not describing a real cop here. You're descibing a coward with murderous tendencies. A real cop understands that his role is to protect civilians, and prioretize the public's safety over his own security.

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@Olivier5,

Self defense is neither murder nor cowardice.

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@oralloy,

Exactly. Real self-defense requires a situation of real danger. Cowards get scared easily though.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

Exactly. Real self-defense requires a situation or real danger.

People are humans, not gods. We can only rely on our perceptions.

A cop who sees a criminal pointing a gun at him and does nothing (because maybe his perceptions are wrong) is likely to be killed by that criminal.

Olivier5 wrote:

Cowards are quick to get scared though.

No quicker than brave people.

Bravery and cowardice refer to "how you act when you are scared" not to "how quickly you become scared".

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@oralloy,

It's better to have a few polive officers killed than to transform the police force into a gang of killers. What you want is for your police officers to be well-trained to competently asses risks, rather than behave as knee-jerking trigger-happy freaks. Like the French ones: they can be real assholes but they rarely kill people for nothing like yours do, because they are actually trained to protect the public and to assess risk levels. They don't just shoot you whenever they see some vague object in your hand.

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The officer who shot Philando Castile to death in front of his girlfriend and her daughter said he was afraid for his life. Castile was a black man who had the audacity to carry, and did what you’re supposed to do; he calmly informed the officer that he had a gun on his person. This much I can see in the video.

Because you can’t see Castile’s hands, it’s hard to know exactly what happened next. I think he was reaching for it to give to the officer. The officer was screaming for him to get his hands away from his gun.

It didn’t have to happen.

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@Lash,

Philando Castile did the exact opposite of what he was supposed to do. He was supposed to keep his hands visible to the police officer and not grab for a hidden object that the police officer couldn't see.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

It's better to have a few polive officers killed than to transform the police force into a gang of killers.

I doubt that you'd see it that way if you were a police officer.

Olivier5 wrote:

What you want is for your police officers to be well-trained to competently asses risks, rather than behave as knee-jerking trigger-happy freaks. Like the French ones: they can be real assholes but they rarely kill people for nothing like yours do, because they are actually trained to protect the public and to assess risk levels. They don't just shoot you whenever they see some vague object in your hand.

And what do they do when they believe that they see a gun in the other guy's hand?

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@oralloy,

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And what do they do when they believe that they see a gun in the other guy's hand?

There's a protocol involving shouting: "Jetez votre arme !" (drop your weapon), summation shots, then shots in arms or legs. They are trained not to shoot to kill until you shoot at them, or at other folks. The aim is to take the guy alive. Not that French cops always follow their own protocols but the rules are clear: the job does NOT include a liscence to kill the people you're afraid of.

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@Olivier5,

If the other guy has a gun in his hand and you wait for him to fire first, you're the one who ends up being killed. Just ask Han Solo.

Shots to the arms or legs aren't realistic. You need to aim so that each bullet passes through both the heart and the spine, and empty the entire magazine.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

If the other guy has a gun in his hand and you wait for him to fire first, you're the one who ends up being killed. Just ask Han Solo.

This is not a Disney movie. If the other guy doesn't have a gun (or holds it leagally) and you shoot him to death, you kill an innocent, a member of the community you're duty-bound to PROTECT.

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