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Rising fascism in the US

 
 
revelette1
 
  3  
Fri 29 Sep, 2017 09:43 am
Quote:
Feds Demand Facebook Share Info on Anti-Trump Protesters

The U.S. Justice Department is demanding that Facebook turn over information from three accounts that could provide access to the personal details of thousands of activists who expressed interest in anti-Trump rallies.

The department obtained search warrants targeting three Facebook accounts that were used to organize Inauguration Day protests against Donald Trump, the ACLU said late Thursday. But accessing those accounts would provide information on thousands of other users who "liked" an anti-Trump Facebook page, the group explained.

The ACLU's Washington, D.C., office said in a statement it would fight the enforcement of the search warrants.


NBC NEWS

maxdancona
 
  0  
Fri 29 Sep, 2017 09:55 am
@revelette1,
How would your reaction be different if someone were demanding information on pro-Trump protesters?

The partisan hypocrisy is the point.
revelette1
 
  3  
Fri 29 Sep, 2017 09:59 am
@maxdancona,
I would feel exactly the same. Do you have reason to assume otherwise? What is your feelings on the Fed getting ahold of thousands of protesters or their friends personal information?
maxdancona
 
  1  
Fri 29 Sep, 2017 10:09 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
Do you have reason to assume otherwise?


Yes.
Quote:
What is your feelings on the Fed getting ahold of thousands of protesters or their friends personal information?


People on the left are hunting for anything they consider to be "fascism". They are literally pushing for people to be fired from their job for having the wrong ideas. It is people with any unacceptable beliefs on gender, abortion or healthcare (it isn't just the Nazis).

I am not not only against this behavior.... I am consistently against it no matter which political side does it.

The partisan hypocrisy is the point.
izzythepush
 
  3  
Fri 29 Sep, 2017 10:41 am
@revelette1,
I notice Max hasn't answered your question. At least he's now talking of people of the left as though that doesn't include him. (A rare moment of honesty or Freudian slip?)

The government of the day is using heavy handed tactics to gather information on thousands of anti Trump people, many of whom will not have even attended a demonstration. That's what fascist regimes do.
revelette1
 
  2  
Fri 29 Sep, 2017 10:44 am
@maxdancona,
What are your reasons for thinking I wouldn't feel the same if it was persons other than anti-Trump people?

I understand where Antifa is coming from but I don't condone their methods nor do I think it is effective. I think racist have as much a right to speak as anyone else and have said so. People also have to the right to object and voice their opposition to said hate speech.

If Obama was trying to get the personal data from thousands of facebook users who have looked at a certain facebook page(s), I would object as well.
ehBeth
 
  1  
Fri 29 Sep, 2017 10:54 am
@Setanta,
https://www.allsides.com/news-source/washington-examiner

Quote:
Washington Examiner bias rating is Right.

The Washington Examiner is a free daily newspaper published in Springfield, Virginia, and distributed in the Washington, D.C. metropolitan area. It is owned by Denver billionaire Philip Anschutz. ... When Anschutz started the Examiner in its current format, he envisioned creating a conservative competitor to The Washington Post.


https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-examiner/

https://i0.wp.com/mediabiasfactcheck.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/rightcenter03.png?w=700&ssl=1

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Washington_Examiner

Quote:
Political slant
The Examiner's editorial page is heavily conservative; it is headed by Mark Tapscott, with American Spectator senior editor Quin Hillyer serving as its associate editor. The paper's national political coverage, which also appears in Examiner papers in Baltimore and San Francisco, was previously headed by Bill Sammon, a former Washington Times reporter who has written several books praising George W. Bush. (Sammon is now the deputy managing editor for Fox News Channel's Washington bureau.[1]) Chris Stirewalt, who has been described as "a true conservative voice"[2], is the Examiner's political editor. Mary Katherine Ham, former managing editor of the conservative Townhall.com, briefly served as the Examiner's online editor for a few months in 2008 [3] before joining the Weekly Standard.[4] Matthew Sheffield, executive editor of the Media Research Center blog NewsBusters, is in charge of the Examiner's website.[5] Byron York, formerly of National Review, joined the paper in February 2009.[6]


quite the spiderweb

lots of familiar names there
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maxdancona
 
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Fri 29 Sep, 2017 11:19 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
I understand where Antifa is coming from but I don't condone their methods nor do I think it is effective. I think racist have as much a right to speak as anyone else and have said so. People also have to the right to object and voice their opposition to said hate speech.

If Obama was trying to get the personal data from thousands of facebook users who have looked at a certain facebook page(s), I would object as well.


I think Obama was pretty good on Free Speech in the social sphere (I disagree with him on a couple of points mostly about national security). I didn't see Obama trying to silence critics... he was happy to engage. I am talking about the attempts, from the left, to: Get people fired for expressing opinions they find troubling (from Google engineers to University staff to line cooks) and to stifle speech on campuses and on Facebook.

Are you willing to push back on the Left when they stifle free speech or punish people for expressing wrong opinions? If so, then you have my respect.

I don't see this happening very much.
maxdancona
 
  1  
Fri 29 Sep, 2017 11:21 am
@izzythepush,
I don't know what question Izzy thinks I didn't answer. I went back and reread Revellette's post. I answered both of the questions she asked.

I also think it is funny how important it is for Izzy to kick me out of the liberal club. I believe what I believe, I don't really care whether I am in the club or not. I call myself a "liberal" because on most issues I agree with the liberals, but that is just a shortcut. Being a liberal shouldn't mean you have to accept an ideology wholesale without thinking for yourself..

And, besides; the conservatives don't seem to want me either Wink.
revelette1
 
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Fri 29 Sep, 2017 11:29 am
@maxdancona,
Well, I haven't lingered on the subject all that much, but when Berkeley was discussed I did express a difference of opinion. I said along the lines of "let them speak, their own words will discredit them."

Moreover, this whole line of your discussion totally ignores what is going on now with the Justice Department and their going after the left in insidious ways.
maxdancona
 
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Fri 29 Sep, 2017 11:44 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
Moreover, this whole line of your discussion totally ignores what is going on now with the Justice Department and their going after the left in insidious ways.


You and I agree about that. I accept that it is happening, and I think that it is bad. I agree with the ACLU position and I hope that Facebook does the right thing by pushing back. I am not ignoring it. There is no sense discussing issues where we are already in agreement.

The point is partisan hypocrisy. Just because the right acts in ways to suppress free expression doesn't mean that it is OK for the left to do so.




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izzythepush
 
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Fri 29 Sep, 2017 11:57 am
@revelette1,
I bet the trouble makers are already known to police. People like that tend to have quite a history. The police should be targeting those individuals, not using an enormous data trawl to stifle dissent.
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izzythepush
 
  1  
Fri 29 Sep, 2017 12:01 pm
@maxdancona,
Knock you out of the Liberal club? You're bloody welcome to it, it's no club I'd want to be associated with. Liberals are right wing, centre right, but still right.

I think you're a typical bloody Liberal, you've got Nick Clegg's cavalier attitude towards the truth and a wishy-washy approach to bloody everything..
Baldimo
 
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Fri 29 Sep, 2017 12:04 pm
@izzythepush,
You keep imposing your UK political labels to US politics. Unless you are going with the "classical" meaning of Liberal instead of the current usage in the US...
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 29 Sep, 2017 12:13 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

You keep imposing your UK political labels to US politics. Unless you are going with the "classical" meaning of Liberal instead of the current usage in the US...
Actually that's not an "UK political label" but the one used used anywhere else outside the USA.
maxdancona
 
  1  
Fri 29 Sep, 2017 12:16 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Actually that's not an "UK political label" but the one used used anywhere else outside the USA.


Ha ha. Do you really think that the political labels used in Europe are the same as the ones use "anywhere else outside the USA".

You are being rather Euro-centric in your critique of Baldimo for being USA-centric. Wink
izzythepush
 
  1  
Fri 29 Sep, 2017 01:15 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I never knew it was so easy to impose things on Baldy, he's such a subservient little chap.
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izzythepush
 
  1  
Fri 29 Sep, 2017 01:17 pm
@maxdancona,
Walter's well clever, he knows what he's talking about, and you're a bit of a gobshite. You should listen to him, you might actually learn something.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 29 Sep, 2017 01:26 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
Ha ha. Do you really think that the political labels used in Europe are the same as the ones use "anywhere else outside the USA".
Well, it's done in South and North America, Asia, Africa, and Europe. (There are no political parties in Antartica as far as I know.)

List of members of the >Liberal International< worldwide.
maxdancona
 
  0  
Fri 29 Sep, 2017 01:44 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Really Walter; You think that being a "liberal" in Thailand or Mexico or Egypt or Uganda is the same as being a liberal in Germany as if European political distinctions can be applied across all cultures?

You truly are Euro-centric.

Walter's link on Liberal International wrote:

Liberal International (LI) is a political international federation for liberal political parties.
Its headquarters is located at 1 Whitehall Place, London, SW1A 2HD within the National Liberal Club. It was founded in Oxford in 1947, and has become the pre-eminent network for liberal parties and for the strengthening of liberalism around the world.


This European snobbery cracks me up.


 

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