Rising fascism in the US

@Lash,

So less FA officers would do a better job?

@Lash,

Denmark isn't a locality.

If's a ******* country like the US.

@Lash,

We fought for the NHS, you voted for less government and lots of guns.

That's where we are, you could vote for UHC if you wanted to.

We did.

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@izzythepush,

I don’t think you have the information you need to say that.

And, this is one more example of: size matters.

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1. I am extremely grateful that we have the (VA)
2. I am very happy that the (VA) exist.

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@Lash,

We got the NHS straight after WW2 when we were broke and paying for the war.

Rationing was worse than during the war and Stafford Cripps' austerity budget meant there wasn't a lot to go around.

We didn't stop paying you util Tony Blair was pm btw.

You were doing really well, bouyant economy, no bomb damage, clearly the richest most poweful nation and you decided not to go for it.

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@Lash,

That sounds like you're supporting private medicine, or at least making excuses.

America's size is the lie Republicans have been saying for years.

All your arguments are right wing.

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@Lash,

Lash wrote:

I don’t think you have the information you need to say that.

And, this is one more example of: size matters.

Size matters, indeed. And that's why the number of health insurance companies reduced here from more than 3.000 to only 84 now.

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@Real Music,

The VA murdered my husband.

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@hightor,

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As Aleksandr Dugin, the movement’s current leader, explained, “Outside of empire, Russians lose their identity and disappear as a nation.”

Isn't that an interesting idea.

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@izzythepush,

You have a bias based on your experience.
You didn’t live through mine.

I’m not going to pretend to tell you about yours. I hope you’ll give me the same consideration.

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@Lash,

I doubt either of us were around in 1946, when the NHS was created.

I know I wasn't.

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@izzythepush,

Did you notice the murdered Bernie Sanders movement?
That was the primary point. Were you paying attention?
Obamacare forces me to owe around $1000. in taxews when I have that insurance. I'm going without ins this year--with cancer.

It's a scam.

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@izzythepush,

Clarify meaning of FA.

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@izzythepush,

There are localities within Denmark and the US.

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@hightor,

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Lash condemns fascism and repression in the USA – but only when she can point a shaky finger at the Democrats and Biden. But it's fine for Republican governors to deny women reproductive rights, dismantle affirmative action, attack the teaching of Black history, conduct a full scale assault on Diversity, Equity and Inclusion initiatives, and undermine public health. We know she admires Putin's Russia – similarly, it's fine for critics of Putin to fall out of windows, die in jet crashes, or get poisoned in other countries. She won't say a word about the plight of LGBT activists in Russia. One wonders how protests which she claims to support, like the ones going on in France and Germany right now, would be handled in the Russian state.

As Lash wrote here a couple of days ago...

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Compared to the US and UK, Russia is a role model.

It seems clear now that Bernie Sanders' failure to recognize this historical and political truth is why she turned against him. That shift had nothing to do with the loss of his utility as a tool to denigrate the Democrats.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

We fought for the NHS, you voted for less government and lots of guns.

That's where we are, you could vote for UHC if you wanted to.

We did.

Here in the Land of the Free, we can only vote nationally for a candidate who would make promises. And if that candidate isn't one of the top 2, we're "throwing our votes away", or just giving our vote to the "other guy" if we vote for them. Personally I don't feel that we'd have Social Security were it not for the Great Depression, although the SSA would quibble with that assessment:

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...the Great Depression is not the reason for having a Social Security system; the reason is the problem of economic security in a modern industrialized society. The Depression was the triggering event that finally persuaded Americans to adopt a social insurance system.

Either way, US reps tried to fight it from the outset – by calling socialism, of course, but things were too dire, and the big scary word wasn't going to have the usual effect as a dog whistle.

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@Lash,

Sorry, VA, it's an unfamiliar acronym and I was in a hurry.

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@Lash,

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I don’t know why you’re acting as if I prefer Russian government.

Really? Just a few pages ago we saw this exchange:

izzythepush wrote:

Russia is a prime example of what happens when democratic institutions are undermined.

To which you responded:

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Compared to the US and UK, Russia is a role model.

What Russian "democratic institutions" were you referring to?

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The most glaring, severe propaganda I've watched in my long, geopolitically-engaged life has been the character assassination of Russia (and the use of it to manipulate our societies)...

Aww, poor Russia/CCCP...so unfairly criticized...how dare that Solzhenitsyn character complain about conditions in the Gulag. And Pussy Riot – I heard that they made fun of the Orthodox Church! Horrors!

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...and the forcefully oppressive, threatening manner in which vaccines were pushed on the public.

Baloney. Do you know how many more people died from Covid 19 in the USA than in other wealthy countries? The USA is closing in on 1.2 million deaths and a significant number of those victims might have survived if public health were considered even fractionally as important as the individual's right to spread infectious disease.

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What form of government do you prefer and why?

The only one I've lived under is the form we have here. I know that sometimes it works pretty well but I also know that the US electorate has a limited attention span and is easily influenced by Hollywood and Madison Avenue and will happily vote for a shiny Berlusconi, an irresponsible Milei, a bullying Bolsonaro, or a childish Trump.

There's no guarantee that a form of government, any form of government, can solve the problems which are threatening to overwhelm us. Rather than fantasize about an ideal which may never come to pass (and couldn't happen soon enough anyway) it makes more sense to identify the hurdles and stumbling blocks that are thwarting our progress in the existing system and elect decent people to instigate institutional reform and practical innovation.

The sheer number of human beings on the planet combined with the increasing rapidity of environmental challenges caused by human beings makes me wonder if we're really up to the task of preserving our little ecological niche.

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1. I fear that the (Republican) party will use any means to destroy democracy in America.

2. I fear that the (Republican) party will use any means to achieve power and use any means to never give up that power.

3. I fear that the (Republican) party will increase taxes substantially on the working class, while cutting taxes substantially for the super wealthy.

4. I fear that the (Republican) party wants to systematically weaken the IRS for the sole purpose
of hindering and weakening the ability of the IRS from going after the Super wealthy tax cheats.

5. I fear that the (Republican) party will seek to weaken and destroy labor unions by passing anti-union legislation.

6. I fear that a significant segment of the (Republican) party wants to abolish social security by privatizing social security.

7. I fear that a significant segment of the (Republican) party wants to abolish Veterans Administration hospitals and medical facilities by privatizing VA hospitals and VA medical facilities.

8. I fear that a segment of the (Republican) party wants to abolish the (Free and Reduced Price School Meals) program.

9. I fear that the (Republican) party will pass a federal law making all abortions in all 50 states illegal.

10. I fear that the (Republican) party will never pass any gun reform law that would have any real affect on gun violence and gun deaths in America.

11. I fear that the (Republican) party wants to abolish or greatly weaken environmental protection laws and enforcement.

12. I fear that today's (Republicans) party wants to do everything in their power to strengthen Vladimir Putin and Russia.

13. I fear that today's (Republican) party wants to weaken America's national security by weakening or abolishing the FBI, CIA, DOD, NATO, and any other national security agencies and departments. I fear that they want to do this for the sole purpose of strengthening Vladimir Putin and Russia on behalf of Donald Trump.

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