Rising fascism in the US

@izzythepush,

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I don't read "state sponsored media".

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You may not. To judge, people should notice how closely their news source only reports positively or in agreement with opinions of your government and assassinates the character of people, groups, or states that depart from that narrative. The vaccine narrative was the easiest topic to weed journalism from state-sponsored news. Was one shred of questioning allowed? Guessing you are not a BBC viewer.

Your use of that term with no proof of anything pretty much sums up the rest of your post.

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I'm sure you're aware that American media submits news articles to Israel to edit to their liking. American isn't the only media that follows this practice.

I'm always amazed when Americans mention the founding fathers in hushed tones expecting us to feel the same.

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No tone--just a historical fact that at least puts me in the company of people who put some thought into our form of government.

As far as I'm concerned the founding fathers are treacherous scum who tried to sell us out to the French.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Less government means the rich and powerful do what they want.

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They have a stranglehold on this world right now. The result proves you wrong. The more regulations provide more ways to strangle the life out of the people. Our family enjoyed watching Clarkson's Farm just to see what a horrid farmer he was--but one episode was eye-opening. His paperwork to meet the hundreds of regulations the government required him to in order to have a farm. Governments are making farmers' lives miserable and impossible using myriad regulations to squash rather than assist citizens to provide food and dairy products for the population. Certainly, some regulations are necessary. Regulations are out of control. This is what I mean by governments being too big--and used against the people more so than government and corporations. The rules are against the regular people--they NEVER apply to the rich. The American tax system is a prime example.

Carcinogenic additives in food, unsafe work conditions, private medicine.

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I have to pause and take a breath not to use all caps here. Citizens in my country are being murdered right now with an enormous government, laws on the books, food regulations, etc--but our presidents and Congresspeople are bribed to make corporations unaccountable for the damage they do to people. Big government is no solution.

It was the Labour Government who gave us the NHS.

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How do you think this statement applies to this conversation? Because they believe in 'big government'? What does that phrase mean to you? Universal healthcare makes good sense. Every country should provide it. Smaller government doesn't mean--make stupid cuts in services. It means make intelligent cuts to provide what the citizens need and deserve and get tf off their backs.

That's why we don't pay to see doctors or pay through the nose for scripts.

You can't do that without strong government.

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Strong is great; intrusive is horrible. This is a good example of how a word or phrase immediately closes thinking outside the box. It's a trigger phrase to shut down dialogue.

The left wants strong government, the right wants to let the rich and powerful do what they want.
You can't be left wing and want less government.

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You are way too smart to boil this issue down to such ridiculous statements. It smacks of brainwashing.

Parsing malfunction, but I'm red.
Basically, you think bigger government gives people more power and I think it's self-evident that bigger government gives the rich more power over us.

We need to control what government does for us--and get them tf out of our business.

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@izzythepush,

Jesus ******* Christ, do you hear yourself? How much more war could we possibly have?

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@Lash,

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How can you attack the media? They have the power of the pen. They can and do widely disseminate whatever they choose. Little voices with different opinions can never approach the reach of the media. The media can manipulate language or omit reportage or outright lie

1. Which medias are you referring to?

2. Are you referring to Fox News (many) years of disinformation and misinformation on a wide range of news subjects and news topics?

3. Are you referring to NewsMax (years) of disinformation and misinformation on a wide range of news subjects and news topics?

4. Are you referring to (OAN) One America News disinformation and misinformation on a wide range of news subjects and news topics?

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@Lash,

Russia is a prime example of what happens when democratic institutions are undermined.

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@Lash,

Brainwashing?

Don't be bloody stupid, you're the one listdning to conspiracy nutters.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Brainwashing?

Don't be bloody stupid, you're the one listdning to conspiracy nutters.

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You can't be left wing and want less government

You really need to acknowledge that this is ridiculous.
Smarter, less, people-friendly and accountable to the people.

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Lash is arguing that government should be reduced to the size that it can be drowned in the bathtub in order for nations to achieve maximal liberty and broad levels of prosperity. This is the claim made by anarchist thinkers and the "libertarian" far right in the US - the Kochs, Bradleys, Scaifes, Coors, Elon Musk and other such ultra-wealthy corporate entities).

You might want to ask her for examples in the world presently or historically that prove this theory.

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@Lash,

I want to know how you expect a smaller government to bring about UHC.

What's ridiculous is you claiming to be left wing while licking the rich man's arse.

They won't thank you for it.

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@izzythepush,

Compared to the US and UK, Russia is a role model.

The most glaring, severe propaganda I've watched in my long, geopolitically-engaged life has been the character assassination of Russia (and the use of it to manipulate our societies) and the forcefully oppressive, threatening manner in which vaccines were pushed on the public.

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As a Socialist I opposed the privatisation of rail, utilities and other publicly owned firms like Rolls Royce.

I believe rail and utilities should be brought back into public ownership.

(But I'll concede Rolls Royce)

No shareholder's taking their cut from what should belong to everybody.

That's what Socialism is, more public ownership, bigger government.

I don't know what Lash is 0uxhing but it ain't Socialism.

Oh yeah, the main difference between me and Jeremy Corbyn, (who I've met, lots of times,) is that he wants to nationalise Rolls Royce too.

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@Lash,

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Compared to the US and UK, Russia is a role model.

1. This statement is comical and downright ridiculous.

2. I am (marking) and (saving) this post.

3. Lash's most recent postings is displaying her real self.

4. I'm just glad that she is no longer pretending.

5. I'm sure I will bring this post up again at some point.

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@Lash,

That's delusional nonsense, not free but rabbit hole rabbit hole thinking.

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

Lash is arguing that government should be reduced to the size that it can be drowned in the bathtub in order for nations to achieve maximal liberty and broad levels of prosperity. This is the claim made by anarchist thinkers and the "libertarian" far right in the US - the Kochs, Bradleys, Scaifes, Coors, Elon Musk and other such ultra-wealthy corporate entities).

Your only contribution, a lie. I explained in detail the oppressive types of government intrusions that should be done away with--and some that should be added.

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@izzythepush,

You're just brainwashed.
Cutting some intrusive aspects of government doesn't require cutting UHC.
What is wrong with you?
Scratching your ass doesn't require shaving your head.

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@izzythepush,

Why make a bureaucratic state a greedy middleman when a socialist cooperative could own it and run it?

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Less government is best.

1. I completely DISAGREE with your statement.

2. But, this does re-enforce my belief that you were never a progressive.

3. I'm also going to (mark) and (save) this post for future reference.

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Compared to the US and UK, Russia is a role model.

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@izzythepush,

Compare them.

The Western world is facilitating and actively fighting in a war predicated by the extermination of a people. Yemen is bravely risking their lives to make that genocide more difficult and we're fighting THEM--after a decade of bombing and starving them.

The global court (not now, Walter!) agreed that it looks enough like a genocide to issue a warning for them to *bullshit bullshit* cough cough* and they're all doubling down, pretending the ICJ and the UN refugee relief is Hamas. Everything that says boo is Hamas.

We are the scourge of the earth. The most evil power the world has ever seen.

And the media has its devotees thinking Russia is somehow worse.

I know a lot of hair is on fire right now, but for god's sake--look at reality.

You can label, call names, make personal accusations--but what you cannot do is make an honest, good faith argument that proves me wrong about this.

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@hightor,

hightor wrote:

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Compared to the US and UK, Russia is a role model.

You can label, call names, make personal accusations--but what you cannot do is make an honest, good faith argument that proves me wrong about this.

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