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Rising fascism in the US

 
 
hightor
 
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Mon 29 Jan, 2024 07:21 am
@Lash,
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(Btw, I searched Google and even DuckDuckGo and couldn’t find a word of this. I had to go to Twitter and find a local who shared a local article. Wonder why.)

Well, either your computer has been infected by Joe Biden's handlers or you don't know how to do a search. This was the fourth entry on the page when I searched for "baltimore police department training center" on DuckDuckGo.

Lash
 
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Mon 29 Jan, 2024 07:36 am
@hightor,
Nothing on Google?

And yes, I didn’t use that collection of key words.
Lash
 
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Mon 29 Jan, 2024 07:48 am
https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/cop-cities-in-a-militarized-world/

Cop Cities in a Militarized World
The United States has long supported the repression of Latin American land defenders. The tactics it exported are coming to the Atlanta forest.

Azadeh Shahshahani

On January 18 the Atlanta police, DeKalb County police, Georgia state troopers, and a SWAT team descended on a protest encampment in the Weelaunee Forest, armed with dogs, pepper bullets, and live ammunition. They shot and killed twenty-six-year-old Manuel Paez Terán (also known as Tortuguita), a young Indigenous Venezuelan who had been protesting the clearing of the forest to build the Atlanta Public Safety Training Center, known to those who have spent the past two years opposing it as Cop City.

Even after their death, which Kamau Franklin of the group Community Movement Builders, a Black, member-based collective of community residents and organizers, rightly called a “political assassination,” the officers continued with the violent clearing operation, cutting tree limbs and ropes from under tree sitters and attacking protesters with rubber bullets and tear gas. The official autopsy, finally released in April, reveals that Tortuguita was shot over fifty times. Researchers and journalists have called the shooting “unprecedented”; according to The Guardian, it is the first known instance of state forces in the United States killing an environmental protester.

Just eleven days after Tortuguita’s murder, two water defenders from Guapinol, Honduras, Aly Domínguez and Jairo Bonilla, were assassinated by unidentified gunmen. The two were cofounders of a group responsible for leading an occupation of the Los Pinares mine to protest against exploitative mining operations which would pollute their water source, the Guapinol River. The Honduran government has refused to investigate the matter further, instead blaming the murders on a robbery attempt.

Land defenders across the world have long known that violence against protesters is not confined to the U.S.
Between December 2022 and February 2023, at least seven land defenders and community members across the Bajo Aguán region—a fertile and heavily militarized region in Northern Honduras—were killed, including campesino leader Hipolito Rivas of the Gregorio Chavez Cooperative, his son Jose Omar Cruz Tome, president of the Los Laureles cooperative, and his father-in-law, Andy Martinez Murrillo. For decades, communities in the Bajo Aguán and international solidarity organizations have denounced the collaboration between private security firms working for palm oil and mining corporations and military and police-backed paramilitary forces heavily supported by the United States to violently repress organized opposition to the land theft and environmental destruction upon which the industries depend.

Meanwhile, in northern El Salvador, just a week before the deadly raid in the Weelaunee forest, state police were engaged in a raid of their own. Residents of the rural community of Santa Marta awoke in the middle of the night to sirens and floodlights as police arrested Antonio Pacheco, the executive director of the Association of Economic and Social Development (ADES) of Santa Marta, who helped lead El Salvador’s powerful anti-mining movement. Four other community leaders—Miguel Ángel Gámez, Alejandro Laínez García, Pedro Antonio Rivas Laínez, and Saúl Agustín Rivas Ortega—were also arrested. The scene was all too familiar to a community that suffered a horrific massacre and brutal state violence during El Salvador’s U.S.-backed war against leftist revolutionary forces in the 1980s.

So while the Georgia State Patrol’s murder of Tortuguita marks a grave first in the United States, the killing of land defenders is heartbreakingly common in South and Central America. Latin America has long been the deadliest region for human rights and environmental defenders. In its 2022 analysis, Frontline Defenders noted that four out of the five countries contributing to 80 percent of the murders of human rights defenders worldwide that year were in Latin America. Other reports show that 75 percent of all killings of environmental activists worldwide have occurred there, and that it is particularly deadly for indigenous environmental activists. These statistics reveal what land defenders across the world have long known: state violence against environmental protesters is not confined to the United States.

But if not exclusively contained within its borders, the United States certainly has had an active role in its spread. It has a long history in Latin America of promoting economic policies to benefit corporations engaged in extractive and otherwise exploitative industries, while simultaneously training, arming, and supporting the state and paramilitary forces that brutally repress those who resist such policies. In short, the U.S. brand of policing—the kind that would be taught and exported from Cop City—exists to protect capital and property. The crackdown against those fighting it, in Atlanta and in Honduras, El Salvador, and across the world, offers a frightening glimpse into a potential future: one of increasing state violence against communities everywhere who struggle to defend water, land, and ecosystems from corporate greed.

In Atlanta, communities have been organizing to protect roughly ninety acres of the South River Forest, known to the Muscogee (Creek) people as Weelaunee Forest, not from the ravages of mining, palm oil plantations, logging, or hydroelectric dams—the major forces behind land grabs in Central America—but from the construction of a police base. The City of Atlanta, Atlanta Police Department, and the Atlanta Police Foundation (APF) developed the idea for the Atlanta Public Safety Training Center after the 2020 uprisings against police violence. Its plans feature an explosives testing area, over twelve firing ranges, a Black Hawk helicopter landing pad, a training center to practice crowd control, a driving course for police to practice chases, and a “mock village” with a hotel/nightclub and convenience store. Cop City, twice as large as facilities in New York and Los Angeles, would be the largest of its kind nationwide.

In September 2021, the Atlanta City Council approved Cop City by a 10–4 vote and leased the land to the APF, a nonprofit organization that funnels private money to policing and surveillance of Atlanta residents. Supporters argue that current training facilities are “substandard,” and the “Atlanta Public Safety Training Center” is necessary to boost police morale and retention. Residents opposed Cop City during seventeen hours of recorded public comment in 2021 and again in 2023.

The construction would deplete Atlanta’s tree canopy and increase air and noise pollution for the majority Black and working-class neighborhood by the forest. Weapons testing and the shooting range will release heavy metals and toxic chemicals to the already endangered South River which will remain in the soil and water for decades. And Cop City’s estimated $90 million price tag—$30 million from the City of Atlanta and $60 million from APF—does not account for the project’s social and ecological costs.

Cop City is intended to intimidate and hinder movement building, divert much-needed resources away from communities, and exacerbate the surveillance of Black, brown, and other dispossessed communities—not only in Atlanta but across the country and around the world.

Organizers recognize the threat that Cop City poses and have mobilized to oppose increased surveillance and police militarization as well as to protect the forest. However, the state also recognizes the threat these organizers pose to its efforts to build Cop City and has moved swiftly to leverage national and state counterterrorism measures against them meant to criminalize protest and discourage dissent.

The state frequently deploys terrorism as a political label to justify violence against Black and Brown communities. Recently, local Georgia officials and prosecutors have described the prison abolitionist movement as a domestic terror threat, harkening back to 2020, when law enforcement units labeled Black Lives Matter and antifa protests as acts of domestic terrorism. During the “Green Scare” in the mid 2000s, the government prosecuted environmental activists with the Earth Liberation Front and Animal Liberation Front under federal terrorism laws, and ecoterrorism became the top domestic terrorism priority of the Department of Justice. In the late 2010s, the FBI began to classify and further surveil Black Lives Matter organizers as “Black identity extremists.” More recently, organizers protesting the Dakota Access Pipeline have been prosecuted as terrorists.

The state frequently deploys terrorism as a political label to justify violence against Black and Brown communities.
Now, for the first time, Georgia is using its state domestic terrorism statute against an environmental or antiracist movement. Nearly twenty forest defenders were arrested under the statute between December 2022 and January 2023, a number that has since risen to over forty. Police affidavits cite “criminally trespassing on posted land,” “sleeping in the forest,” “sleeping in a hammock with another defendant,” or being a “known member” of a “prison abolition movement” and “occupying a treehouse while wearing a gas mask and camouflage clothing” as examples of “terrorist” activity. Even bail fund organizers were arrested during a May 31 raid on the Atlanta Solidarity Fund office, facing charges of “charity fraud” and “money laundering.”

Organizers and lawyers had previously warned that Georgia governor Brian Kemp’s “domestic terrorism” law would have disastrous implications for organizers, and are now sounding the alarm over the dangerous legal precedent these charges may set. Under the Georgia statute, domestic terrorism now includes the commission of a felony with the intent to “disable or destroy critical infrastructure,” causing “major economic loss,” and (a) intimidate the civilian population, (b) alter, change, or coerce government policy, or affect the conduct of the government with the use of “destructive devices.” “Critical infrastructure” could be public or private “facilities, systems, functions, or assets,” physical or virtual, and provide or distribute “services for the benefit of the public.” Already, twenty states have enacted similar anti-protest laws to quash environmental defenders.

Local officials in Georgia adopted language about “outside protesters” to justify a “state of emergency” in response to the ongoing resistance to Cop City and the protests after Tortuguita was killed. On January 26, governor Kemp issued an executive order granting him expansive powers, including the deployment of up to one thousand National Guard troops to “subdue riot and unlawful assembly.”

And on August 29, state Attorney General Chris Carr charged sixty-one people, including organizers, a legal observer, and bail fund workers, under Georgia’s Racketeer Influenced and Corruption (RICO) Act, issuing an indictment that links protests related to Stop Cop City with those that occurred in 2020 following the murder of George Floyd. Many of the named defendants are also facing simultaneous domestic terrorism charges, setting a dangerous precedent for the use of RICO to stifle dissent.

This new reality for U.S. environmental activists is one that organized popular movements in Central America, where the police and military have received extensive U.S. training for decades, know all too well.

As in Atlanta, accusations of terrorism have been used to dehumanize the state’s enemies. In El Salvador’s case, environmental activists and community leaders have been labeled as gang members. The charges have also been deployed to justify and glamorize state violence, with government photographs of masses of handcuffed prisoners circulated to simultaneously invoke fear and normalize degradation. The government calls its new prison, claimed to be one of the largest in the world, the “Terrorist Confinement Center.” Against this backdrop, the Bukele regime has arrested not only anti-mining activists, but also union leaders, youth organizers, and political opponents.

The attorney general’s operation against the Santa Marta Five, as the jailed anti-mining protesters have come to be known, occurred amid a campaign of massive arrests launched in March 2022, when the government of Nayib Bukele suspended key constitutional rights under the pretext of combating gang violence. Legislators from Bukele’s party have continuously—and illegally—reapproved a thirty-day emergency measure known as a state of exception for the past sixteen months. The Salvadoran government’s steamrolling of due process has become a nightmare for working-class families whose communities have been militarized, with over 71,000 people arrested, many without warrants, evidence, or investigation. By July 2023, Salvadoran human rights organizations had documented over 6,400 human rights violations, mainly arbitrary arrests, and the deaths of at least 153 people in prison, whether from torture, beatings, or lack of access to medical care. None had been found guilty of a crime.

These policies are the culmination of two decades of U.S.-backed repressive policing. As scholars Leisy Ábrego and Steven Osuna outline, right-wing governments first implemented an “iron fist” antigang plan in El Salvador “modeled on U.S. zero-tolerance policies and broken windows policing” in 2003. Like the counterinsurgency campaigns of the 1980s, the U.S. policing and security strategies exported over the past thirty years have armed governments throughout Central and South America with tools to repress impoverished communities, including those organizing to defend land and water.

In 2006, the far-right Nationalist Republican Alliance (ARENA) administration passed an antiterrorism law modeled closely on the USA Patriot Act. Grassroots organizers in El Salvador loudly opposed the law for its sweeping nature, warning it would open the door to political persecution. Among the first people to be charged under the new statutes were fourteen community activists from the community of Suchitoto who were protesting water privatization. Accompanied by successful international solidarity efforts, they were freed in 2007 and charges were dropped.

The training of security forces in South and Central America is a pillar of U.S. geopolitical strategy in the region.
The training of security forces in South and Central America is a pillar of U.S. geopolitical strategy in the region: it ensures that those in power remain friendly to U.S. business interests. The infamous School of the Americas, first based in Panama and later relocated to Fort Moore, Georgia (and subsequently rebranded to the “Western Hemisphere institute for Security Cooperation” after being accused of training its graduates in torture and assassination techniques), hosts South and Central American military officers and offers courses from “tactical training to advanced theory on the application of military doctrine.” Among the school’s graduates in El Salvador are Col. Domingo Monterrosa, who led the infamous Atlacatl Battalion that massacred hundreds in El Mozote in 1981, and Roberto D’Aubuisson, who planned the 1980 assassination of Salvadoran archbishop Óscar Romero, an outspoken critic of the military government. The institute remains operational and reports “graduating 1,200–1,900 military, police, and civilian students from across the Hemisphere annually.”

In the mid-2000s, the United States expanded its focus more specifically to policing. In 2005, as part of an effort to shore up confidence for U.S. investors in the newly-passed Dominican Republic-Central America Free Trade Agreement (DR-CAFTA), the Bush administration opened a new branch of the Clinton-era international police training school, the International Law Enforcement Academy (ILEA), in San Salvador. The United States frames this work as police “professionalization”—a suspect term, considering the fact that the United States remains the high-income country with by far the highest rate of police killings in the world. What’s been called the “School of the Americas for police” has graduated thousands of police officers throughout Central and South America who receive training from the FBI, DEA, and other agencies based in the United States, including state and local police forces. As of 2011, these trainings also include courses led by the Atlanta Police Department, through its partnership with the State Department.

In 2007, the Bush administration launched the Mérida Initiative, said to focus on border surveillance and assisting Mexican and other Central American governments in the War on Drugs. Experts argued early on that it would merely strengthen organized crime networks and were soon proven right. The Central America Regional Security Initiative (CARSI) soon followed, which purported to “stop the flow of narcotics, arms, weapons, and bulk cash generated by illicit drug sales” and “[strengthen] and [integrate] security efforts from the U.S. Southwest border to Panama.”

By 2017, the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights was hearing cases regarding rising numbers of extrajudicial killings at the hands of Salvadoran police, and by 2018, the United Nations Special Rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary and arbitrary executions reported “a pattern of behavior amongst security personnel, amounting to extrajudicial executions and excessive use of force,” citing “elements of the legal framework, such as the 2006 Counter-terrorism Law,” as key contributors to these violations.

A key component of U.S. police reform efforts in Central America has been to create, develop and train elite police units to specialize in the fight against organized crime—often to deadly ends. Investigators connected El Salvador’s Specialized Reaction Forces (FES), a joint police and military unit backed by significant U.S. funding, to the murder of forty-three suspected gang members in the first half of 2017 alone. Though officially disbanded, many of its members transitioned to a new U.S.-backed unit, the Jaguars. In neighboring Honduras, the United States heavily invested in the creation of the TIGRES (Intelligence Troops and Specialized Security Response Groups). Launched in 2012, TIGRES officers have, on multiple occasions, been implicated in drug trafficking, corruption, and state repression of protesters.

In recent years, some of the most notorious U.S.-trained security forces around the world have become the trainers, often with funding from various U.S. agencies. Colombian soldiers now offer trainings in Honduras through the United States Southern Command (SOUTHCOM). The Atlanta police, too, have received training from Colombia, as well as from Israel and elsewhere, through a program subsidized by the U.S. Department of Justice. Activists have argued that, if built, Cop City might host similar trainings for international forces.

Through U.S.-funded training and capacity-building programs, many of the most dangerous elements of policing practices now circulate internationally. Since the founding of U.S.-backed police schools in El Salvador, the country’s incarceration rate per capita surpassed that of the United States; it is now the highest in the world.

When Salvadoran president Nayib Bukele appeared on Tucker Carlson’s show on Fox News to celebrate his crackdown, he exhorted the United States to follow in his footsteps. Amid ongoing protests against Cop City, governor Kemp welcomed Salvadoran ambassador Milena Mayorga to Georgia in March. That same month, Mayorga would go on to invite Atlanta mayor Andre Dickens to visit El Salvador on an upcoming delegation. As Georgia and the Salvadoran government forge stronger diplomatic ties, the U.S. export of “expertise” to police and military in Central America is no longer a straight line but has instead come full circle.

Fifteen years ago, the directors of ILEA were remarkably clear when discussing their goals for opening a new police training academy in El Salvador: to make Latin America “safe for foreign investment” by “providing regional security and economic stability and combating crime.” Such comments were recently echoed by Laura Richardson, head of SOUTHCOM for Latin America, when she framed the importance of U.S. military operations in Latin America in terms of the region’s “rich resources and rare earth elements,” like lithium and oil.

It’s not a coincidence that corporations from Wells Fargo to Axon, the manufacturers of tasers, have been major donors to the Atlanta Police Foundation for the construction of Cop City and to police foundations across the country. They know, like the police they fund, that the battles over access to land and natural resources like water will only increase as the climate crisis intensifies, and are acting accordingly.

Environmental movements have been able to fight back against the criminalization of land and water defenders.
But there is some room for hope. The Defend the Atlanta Forest/Stop Cop City movement, guided by antiracist, Indigenous, abolitionist principles and environmental politics, has successfully halted the project thus far, with the help of protesters who have occupied the forest since late 2021. These defenders use a variety of tactics: encampments, tree-sits, peaceful marches, community events, and investigative research. The initial and ongoing resistance has forced the city to reduce the project’s scale from over 150 acres to 85 and promise to preserve the surrounding forest as a 265-acre public park.

Land and water defenders in El Salvador, too, have successfully prevented mining operations. In 2017, the country became the first in the world to ban metal mining, due in large part to the communities who worked relentlessly for nearly two decades to organize against it, despite threats and harassment. Other communities and movements throughout the region are following suit, refusing to give in to coercive and violent U.S.-backed military and paramilitary forces. In a 2015 case in Honduras, the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights found that the state violated the human rights of the indigenous Garifuna communities by expanding urban developments into the community’s land. This decision marked a victory for the recognition of Garifuna land rights, though the Honduran government has yet to implement any measures in accordance with the decision.

Environmental movements have also been able to fight back against the criminalization of land and water defenders. After an international outcry, the charges against eight water defenders from Guapinol, arrested in 2019 for opposing the Los Pinares mining project, were dropped in 2022. And on September 5, the five Santa Marta water defenders arrested in January were moved from prison to house arrest following an international campaign, though the struggle to drop all the charges against them continues.

That the United States’ investment in controlling territories, resources, and entire populations through policing now mirrors the tactics that it helped usher into existence in Central America is cause for concern. But it is also an indicator that the movements against them in both in the United States and Central America are capable of posing significant threats to the racialized order that such investment seeks to uphold through shared tactics such as legal attacks and terrorist labeling. Despite the risks, organized communities in Central America are not backing down. Nor are the organizers in Atlanta. Together, they are envisioning urgently needed alternatives to both environmental destruction and militarization.
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I wanted to cut this piece into an excerpt, but it’s just too rich with contextual backgrounding and important connections.
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hightor
 
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Mon 29 Jan, 2024 07:52 am
@Lash,
(I never use Google.)

Look, I think most of the emphasis on police departments is too intensely directed toward the use of force. But you might consider the amount of firepower which is now out there, and what happens when cops are scared – they either become trigger happy, or, as in Uvalde, they won't confront a heavily-armed killer. I do question whether these huge complexes are the way to go, but they might actually be a response to challenges faced by law officers and not part of some sinister plan to put US citizens in concentration camps.
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Lash
 
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Mon 29 Jan, 2024 09:07 am
Does anyone wonder what the German citizens who didn’t buy the lies about their Jewish neighbors told themselves to avoid confronting what was happening?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 29 Jan, 2024 10:13 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
Does anyone wonder what the German citizens who didn’t buy the lies about their Jewish neighbors told themselves to avoid confronting what was happening?
"Die Gedanken sind frei" (Thoughts are free).
Lash
 
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Mon 29 Jan, 2024 10:31 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Many thanks for that reference.
Going to listen to it now.
There’s a Pete Seeger version.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 29 Jan, 2024 11:06 am
@Lash,
The Nazis didn't think without cause that this old folk song could be used as a symbol of defiance against them.
Sophie Scholl played the song outside of the prison in Ulm on a recorder (flute) where her father was held for calling Hitler the "scourge of God." (A year later, 1943, Scholl herself was executed for her activities in a resistance organization called The White Rose.)
Lash
 
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Mon 29 Jan, 2024 11:17 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Sophie’s name was on my students’ list for their biographical essays. I was happy to introduce her to them.

I appreciate that anecdote.
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coluber2001
 
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Mon 29 Jan, 2024 12:16 pm
Putin's strategy is not to remake other countries in their own image but to support division, strife, and anomie in other countries (Brexit and Trump) in order to make their own Russian government and autocratic system appear more normal and acceptable to their own people in comparison. This encourages complacency and resignation and discourages democratic movements.

"Look what a mess democracy is. They're nothing but liars and cheats. We may cheat, but at least we're honest about it."

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izzythepush
 
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Mon 29 Jan, 2024 12:43 pm
@Lash,
You really don't know how you would act until you're in that situation.

It wasn't just German citizens but those under occupation.

People had three broad choices, they could collaborate, resist or just keep their heads down and not get involved.

With the sole exceptions of Crete and Denmark whose resistance was spectacular most countries had a shameful record of collaborators.

The French national railway is still dealing with the consequences of transporting so many people to extermination camps.

Denmark quietly moved its Jewish citizens to Sweden before the Nazis realised what was going on.

And the Cretans were a law unto themselves, their resistance was incredible, every family on the island lost at least one family member.

The old black and white film starring Dirk Bogarde, Ill Met By Moonlight, pretty much sums up the situation in Crete at the time.
Lash
 
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Mon 29 Jan, 2024 01:01 pm
@izzythepush,
I’ll look for that film, thank you.
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izzythepush
 
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Mon 29 Jan, 2024 01:18 pm
Conspiracy theories are designed to undermine trust in democratic institutions.

The media is attacked with disinformation, conspiracy websites claim to be the only ones telling the "truth," and although there's nothing to back up their claims that doesn't stop those self same websites being cited as proof.

The language used is deliberately confusing, and verbose to the extreme, there's no plain English campaign at work here, it's the opposite. It just has to look impressive. The last thing they want is their readers understanding anything.

The people they hit tend to be pretty thick as well, but they consider it "common sense."

These idiots asked me if I knew that part of the dead disease was injected into me. Of course I did, I'm not a bloody moron, I learnt it at school when I was eight, but clearly it's news to these fuckwits.

And Government. It's fairly obvious rich people hold a disproportionate political power in general, but that doesn't mean there's some shadowy political elite running us.

In order to curb the rich and powerful's political influence we need more governmental oversight, not less. The government should be the people, and democratic institutions should be strengthened not undermined.

The rich don't want you to trust the Government, they want you to do what you're told, which is why they spend so much money on advertising.
Lash
 
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Tue 30 Jan, 2024 10:35 am
@izzythepush,
I appreciate this delineation of the underpinnings of your opinions. Sometimes I wonder when I have what seems to be great agreement with a person--how we can be so far from agreement in other things.

You didn't ask my opinion, but I'd like to respond. Again with the disclaimer--not trying to change your mind--but just offering clarification on similarities and differences--for me, maybe for you, more so for any reader who wanders by here in the future, wondering what we were all thinking.

izzythepush wrote:

Conspiracy theories are designed to undermine trust in democratic institutions.
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I have almost diametric disagreement with this sentiment. I believe, as did our founding fathers in the US, that government is a necessary evil--it imbues too much power, it is too easily manipulated to serve those with the most money--and I have watched in slo mo as all of my fears have been realized in our government.

Conspiracy theories is one of probably a couple of dozen terms and phrases used by the power behind our government to suppress dissenting opinions. And it is working like a charm. The people who believe government and media are convinced that those who don't are somehow evil, anti-democratic, a pawn of another government, stupid, etc. They've been trained not to entertain other ideas. They have been propagandized to label vilify and dismiss anyone who wanders afoul of the tightly controlled public narrative. It's amazing how effective the spectre of social shaming has been on that group of people.

The media is attacked with disinformation, conspiracy websites claim to be the only ones telling the "truth," and although there's nothing to back up their claims that doesn't stop those self same websites being cited as proof.
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It seems clear to me that exactly the opposite is true.

How can you attack the media? They have the power of the pen. They can and do widely disseminate whatever they choose. Little voices with different opinions can never approach the reach of the media. The media can manipulate language or omit reportage or outright lie--or as we now know--submit what they call news articles to a genocidal, bloodthirsty, psychotic country like Israel to edit as they please. How in the world can any thinking person defend media? It boggles my mind.

Unfortunately, at this time in world history, it's left to people to examine a smattering of 'news sources' from several countries and viewpoints, use their brain as best they can, watch what actually happens, divest of political preferences--and decide wtf is likely accurate.

The language used is deliberately confusing, and verbose to the extreme, there's no plain English campaign at work here, it's the opposite. It just has to look impressive. The last thing they want is their readers understanding anything.
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Sounds like you're talking about state-sponsored media?

The people they hit tend to be pretty thick as well, but they consider it "common sense."

These idiots asked me if I knew that part of the dead disease was injected into me. Of course I did, I'm not a bloody moron, I learnt it at school when I was eight, but clearly it's news to these fuckwits.
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Anecdotes are useful, but can't categorize vaccine skeptics as a monolithic group.

And Government. It's fairly obvious rich people hold a disproportionate political power in general, but that doesn't mean there's some shadowy political elite running us.
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There may be factions of billionaires with different agendas. I don't pretend to know the composition of the people who pull the strings in the world; I just know the people have NO say in it and political representatives are the pawns of the rich.

In order to curb the rich and powerful's political influence we need more governmental oversight, not less. The government should be the people, and democratic institutions should be strengthened not undermined.
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We're opposite here as well: government is the ultimate pawn of the rich and powerful. It is how they trap and control us. Less government is best.

The rich don't want you to trust the Government, they want you to do what you're told, which is why they spend so much money on advertising.
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Exactly the opposite again. The rich own the government. This is their primary vehicle of control. They don't need advertising--they own your news, my president, your Prime Minister, most of my Congress, etc This is why I love Jeremy Corbyn, Clare Daly, Mick Wallace and a few others. You can tell by their actions that they did not assume the position like most others have.

izzythepush
 
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Tue 30 Jan, 2024 11:41 am
@Lash,
I don't read "state sponsored media".

Your use of that term with no proof of anything pretty much sums up the rest of your post.

I'm always amazed when Americans mention the founding fathers in hushed tones expecting us to feel the same.

As far as I'm concerned the founding fathers are treacherous scum who tried to sell us out to the French.

izzythepush
 
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Tue 30 Jan, 2024 11:50 am
@izzythepush,
Less government means the rich and powerful do what they want.

Carcinogenic additives in food, unsafe work conditions, private medicine.

It was the Labour Government who gave us the NHS.

That's why we don't pay to see doctors or pay through the nose for scripts.

You can't do that without strong government.

The left wants strong government, the right wants to let the rich and powerful do what they want.

You can't be left wing and want less government.
hightor
 
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Tue 30 Jan, 2024 12:19 pm
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I believe, as did our founding fathers in the US, that government is a necessary evil--it imbues too much power, it is too easily manipulated to serve those with the most money--and I have watched in slo mo as all of my fears have been realized in our government.

While there was a skeptical attitude toward government among many of the colonists, the experience with the Articles of Confederation demonstrated the need of a central authority in a wide open territory facing threats from without and divisions from within. Madison and the other framers of the Constitution strengthened federal power by forbidding states to coin money, make treaties, set terms for citizenship, and the like. The "necessary evil" mythology overlooks evidence that undercuts treasured American myths (for instance, we might point out that the “Wild West,” instead of relying on the handgun, often banned its use). The distrust of government is one of the reasons our democracy is imperiled by many of the very things that you fear.

The ultra wealthy and the politicians aligned with them exploit the misconceptions around federal power precisely in order to maintain effective control of the economy and preserve their sense of privilege. Look at the amount of money in the possession of the one per cent – over 40 trillion dollars. Think how many urban schools and rural hospitals could be substantially improved with a fraction of that money. But it's off-limits – because our citizens are way too quick to believe that government is evil and the tax collector is out to get them.

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...government is the ultimate pawn of the rich and powerful. It is how they trap and control us. Less government is best.

Ineffective government is the ultimate pawn of the rich and powerful. It's how they discourage and defeat us. Better government is best.
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izzythepush
 
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Tue 30 Jan, 2024 12:34 pm
Our Labour movement came from a time of little government, 19C Britain, a time of industrial diseases, unsafe working practices and food adulterated with all manner of ****.

It was government that changed that, the industrialists and food manufacturers didn't do it out of the goodness of their hearts.
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Real Music
 
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Tue 30 Jan, 2024 12:43 pm
@izzythepush,
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Less government means the rich and powerful do what they want.

That is so true.
izzythepush
 
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Tue 30 Jan, 2024 12:51 pm
@Real Music,
Less government means more imperialism and war.

India is always seen as part of the British Empire, but that only happened towards the end of imperial rule.

Prior to that it was the British East India Company, a strictly private affair with its own MPs Army and tax collectors.
 

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