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Rising fascism in the US

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Fri 29 Dec, 2023 12:29 pm
@hightor,
I understood exactlywhat you said, along with your use of innuendo.

You clearly lumped me in with those who favour gun ownership, but left yourself with enough room to wriggle out later.

As you're now talking perhaps you'd like to respond to the point I made previously.

You said that nobody had any answers as to how Biden could stay Netanyahu's hand.

I said it was easy, stop giving weapons to Israel and stop using the UN veto.

You managed to ignore that alright.
hightor
 
  1  
Fri 29 Dec, 2023 12:47 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
You clearly lumped me in with those who favour gun ownership

I honestly don't know how you came to that conclusion. I didn't write anything which backs up your contention. I think your animosity has affected your interpretation of my words. Again.

Quote:
I said it was easy, stop giving weapons to Israel and stop using the UN veto.

But how do you make that happen "easily"? I repeatedly asked u/glennn how he was going to accomplish this goal and he never provided an answer. It's similar to saying we could easily halt the progress of global warming if we stopped burning fossil fuels.

Quote:
You managed to ignore that alright.

I've ignored a lot of this conversation because it seems fruitless and quickly turns into personal accusations. None of us are in a position to do much more than indicate our disapproval and communicate our despair.
thack45
 
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Fri 29 Dec, 2023 01:33 pm
@izzythepush,
. . . what? If you hadn't mentioned marxists, I'd have thought your comment was meant for somebody else. I was speculating about politics, specifically the strategy of using any currently-in-the-news disaster as proxy to dunk on "the other side", regardless of how well the pieces fit.

I did also point to the tendency of our right-wingers to rely on their followers' ignorance when calling democrats things that they are not. And "socialists" has clearly lost some of its oomph, so now it is Marxist – or sometimes communist, but I think they believe the former sounds more nefarious. Of course liberals aren't marxists, but that's just the special way the right likes to lie. I give it another ten years or so before democrats are regularly called drug-addicted nazis and devil worshipers by their political opponents – and their media.

I would imagine that your years of support of the Palestinian people has led to some accusations of antisemitism, no? Then you might understand that being accused of doing something that you didn't do (in my case, just today I was accused of "excusing the slaughter of 20,000+ Palestinians") can be a bit disappointing. But my comment was neither about or to you, nor was it particularly about Israel or Palestine.
Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Fri 29 Dec, 2023 01:57 pm
Quote:
South Africa launches genocide case against Israel at UN's top court

South Africa said it had approached the UN’s international court of justice (ICJ) under the Geneva convention with respect to acts committed by Israel in Gaza.

In a statement, South Africa said it was ‘“gravely concerned with the plight of civilians” caught in Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip “due to the indiscriminate use of force and forcible removal of inhabitants.”

It said there were “ongoing reports of international crimes, such as crimes against humanity and war crimes” being committed as well as “reports that acts meeting the threshold of genocide” in the Palestinian territory.

"An application in this regard was filed before the court on 29 December 2023 in which the court is requested to declare on an urgent basis that Israel is in breach of its obligations in terms of the genocide convention, should immediately cease all acts and measures in breach of those obligations and take a number of related actions."

It said South Africa “condemns all violence and attacks against all civilians, including Israelis”, adding that it had continuously called for an immediate and permanent ceasefire and for talks to resume “that will end the violence arising from the continued belligerent occupation of Palestine”.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/dec/29/israel-gaza-war-live-updates-hamas-egypt-delegation-ceasefire-cairo wrote:
The Guardian
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Fri 29 Dec, 2023 02:01 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Israel Rejects South Africa's 'Baseless' Pursuit of Genocide Order From Top UN Court for Conduct in Gaza

'Israel has failed to prevent genocide' in Gaza, South Africa said. Israel's Foreign Ministry responded, calling the court application a baseless 'blood libel'
[...]
Israel rejected "with disgust" South Africa's genocide case against it, calling the case a baseless "blood libel" with no legal merit, and said it was committed to abiding by international law in its war on Hamas in Gaza.

"South Africa is collaborating with a terrorist group that calls for Israel's destruction," a statement from Israel's Foreign Ministry said. "The people of Gaza are not an enemy of Israel, who is making efforts to limit harm to non-combatants."
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izzythepush
 
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Fri 29 Dec, 2023 03:19 pm
@hightor,
You asked what Biden could do, what he could do is fairly easy.

It's a matter of will.

If you're blaming Congress, that's still America.

Biden hasn't even tried to stop the conflict.

And your self serving handwringing is just that.
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izzythepush
 
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Fri 29 Dec, 2023 03:26 pm
@thack45,
By excusing Biden you are doing exactly that.

You're all for attacking the right until it comes to American Imperialism.

It's not just Palestinians it's Iraqis, and a whole host of other Arabs killed with American weapons and dismissed by mealy mouthed people like you.


Glennn
 
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Sat 30 Dec, 2023 08:42 am
@hightor,
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u/glennn was the one that made that charge, not I.

There's crimes against humanity happening right now. Forget about virtue signalling. Israel is starving the Palestinians who haven't become their murder victims.

Ya know, no one is sure where you stand on these war crimes. Let's get that out of the way right now. Then we'll know we're on the same page, and we can talk about what to do about the biden administration's sponsorship of the crimes against humanity being committed by the Israelis right now.

So, do you agree that Israel is committing war crimes against the innocent population of Gaza? I've already asked you twice, and both times you forgot to clarify your thinking. I get the idea that you don't want to state your position on that. Is that right?
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vikorr
 
  2  
Sun 31 Dec, 2023 02:37 am
https://au.yahoo.com/news/special-counsel-jack-smith-hits-212604191.html
Quote:
Special counsel Jack Smith hits back at Trump’s immunity claims

Special counsel Jack Smith has hit back at Donald Trump’s claim of immunity from criminal prosecution in a new court filing.

Mr Smith’s office argued in a Saturday filing that Mr Trump’s claim “threatens to license Presidents to commit crimes to remain in office.”

The filing came in the federal election subversion case ahead of 9 January oral arguments before a US appeals court in Washington DC, reported CNN.

“The defendant asserts (Br.1) that this prosecution ‘threatens … to shatter the very bedrock of our Republic.’ To the contrary: it is the defendant’s claim that he cannot be held to answer for the charges that he engaged in an unprecedented effort to retain power through criminal means, despite having lost the election, that threatens the democratic and constitutional foundation of our Republic,” Mr Smith wrote.

“This Court should affirm and issue the mandate expeditiously to further the public’s — and the defendant’s — compelling interest in a prompt resolution of this case,” he added.

Mr Trump has pleaded not guilty to four counts, including conspiring to defraud the United States and to obstruct an official proceeding.

The one-term president has appealed a district court’s ruling that he is not entitled to immunity for any crimes committed while he was in the White House.

In his filing, the special counsel’s office stated that it would be dangerous to give a president that kind of broad immunity.

“The implications of the defendant’s broad immunity theory are sobering. In his view, a court should treat a President’s criminal conduct as immune from prosecution as long as it takes the form of correspondence with a state official about a matter in which there is a federal interest, a meeting with a member of the Executive Branch, or a statement on a matter of public concern,” the filing stated.

“That approach would grant immunity from criminal prosecution to a President who accepts a bribe in exchange for directing a lucrative government contract to the payer; a President who instructs the FBI Director to plant incriminating evidence on a political enemy; a President who orders the National Guard to murder his most prominent critics; or a President who sells nuclear secrets to a foreign adversary, because in each of these scenarios, the President could assert that he was simply executing the laws; or communicating with the Department of Justice; or discharging his powers as Commander-in-Chief; or engaging in foreign diplomacy.”
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blatham
 
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Tue 2 Jan, 2024 02:04 pm
@izzythepush,
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Re: thack45 (Post 7345525)
...You're all for attacking the right until it comes to American Imperialism.

It's not just Palestinians it's Iraqis, and a whole host of other Arabs killed with American weapons and dismissed by mealy mouthed people like you.


I suppose I ought to step softly here due to my own country's history. As we all know, the Canadian Empire began its formative years in the sixteenth century and flourished and grew dramatically, reaching for dominion that lasted into the twentieth century. It is with mixed feelings I contemplate what our soldiers did to the Boers or our crimes in the Canadian West Indies or the establishment of the Canadian Raj in the Indian sub-continent, or the Mau Maus and others in Africa, etc. We, as the boastful cliche goes, ruled the waves and deserved to do so.

But, seriously, folks...

You wrote recently that you do not attend to American-based political media or discourse. I think there must be a fair bit of truth in that. If you did or had, you would likely be much more aware of the quantity and quality of the long history of internal criticism by American political thinkers and American citizens of America's footprint in the world. For just one of many thousands of examples... 'Let Men Die to Make Us Rich': How Mark Twain Used Poetry to Oppose the Philippine-American War
'I am opposed to having the eagle put its talons on any other land.'


Of course, Britain had such voices as well. But my point here is that your "mealy mouthed people like you" slander is too facile by far.

Of course, America deserves serious condemnation for much of what it has done in the pursuit of power, wealth and domination of other nations and cultures. Likewise the Dutch, the French, Spain, Russia, Germany and every other such group that has sought dominion over others through the use of force and violence.

But now - at this point in world history - we are faced with the very real possibility that Donald Trump will win the next election and then, we can predict with a high level of certainty, that with such an administration in power, American policy will shift dramatically such that bonds will be established or strengthened between the US and far right movements/nations - most critically Russian and Chinese - along with the degradation and disempowerment of bonds/treaties/agreements with Europe, Britain and other democratic nations/cultures in the world.

Such an America will not become less greedy. Nor move towards reduced sales of the instruments of war. Nor will it become more sympathetic to human suffering. Nor towards support for democracy within America or in the world.

You're picking the wrong fight at the wrong time. What you're doing here is morally easy and morally blind.

izzythepush
 
  0  
Tue 2 Jan, 2024 02:29 pm
@blatham,
Palestinian human rights are the "wrong fight?"

Nobody is dismissing Trump's real threat to Democracy.

At the same time nobody is forcing Biden to behave in the way he does, bypassing Congress, using the American veto and putting no pressure whatsoever on Israel to stop the slaughter.

Biden is complicit in war crimes and by refusing to engage with that and instead pointing to how bad Trump is/will be you're in effect trying to sweep it all under the carpet.

And that's diabolical.

Palestinians are being butchered wholescale and you're saying nos is not the time for their lives to mean anything, their lives will only have any meaning after an American election.

And that's not American Imperialism?

You're having a laugh.
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hightor
 
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Tue 2 Jan, 2024 02:31 pm
@blatham,
And not just political thinkers and concerned citizens – in 1899 House Speaker Thomas Brackett Reid (one of the most powerful politicians in the country) broke with the Republican administration over what he considered its expansionist policy toward Cuba, Hawaii, and the Philippines. He resigned from the House in protest.
izzythepush
 
  0  
Tue 2 Jan, 2024 02:33 pm
@blatham,
You're saying that because of the history of the British Empire America cannot be criticised in any way.

That if American and Israel wiped out the Palestinians that would be fine and dandy because of the horrors of British rule.

Goebbels said something very similar.
blatham
 
  2  
Tue 2 Jan, 2024 03:59 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
You're saying that because of the history of the British Empire America cannot be criticised in any way... That if American and Israel wiped out the Palestinians that would be fine and dandy because of the horrors of British rule.

You need to read my post again with more care. That is very definitely NOT what I said.
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blatham
 
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Tue 2 Jan, 2024 05:21 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
And not just political thinkers and concerned citizens – in 1899 House Speaker Thomas Brackett Reid (one of the most powerful politicians in the country) broke with the Republican administration over what he considered its expansionist policy toward Cuba, Hawaii, and the Philippines. He resigned from the House in protest.

Yes, I ought to have included sitting politicians as well. But thanks for the historical data on Speaker Reid as that was previously unknown to me.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 6 Jan, 2024 12:08 pm

Publish Nazi newsletters on your platform, Substack, and you will rightly be damned

Quote:
[...]
But, in a way, the money is a side issue: most Substacks are free. What’s important is that, as social media degenerates into fragmented chaos, Substack has evolved into a significant part of our culture’s public sphere. Some of the most thoughtful long-form writing around nowadays can be found on the platform.

From the outset, the founders were emphatic about their commitment to free speech. A decision to subscribe to a writer’s posts was a matter between the subscriber and the writer. The platform’s owners would apply a “high, high bar” before intervening in content. It was important that users of the platform be able to debate opposing views, etc, etc. The usual “marketplace of ideas” guff, in other words.

You can guess where this is heading. The platform that aspired to be “the last, best hope for civility on the internet” turns out to have a “Nazi problem”. “Just beneath the surface,” says Substack writer Jonathan Katz in the Atlantic, “the platform has become a home and propagator of white supremacy and antisemitism. Substack has not only been hosting writers who post overtly Nazi rhetoric on the platform; it profits from many of them.”

Katz found 16 newsletters sporting “overt Nazi symbols, including the swastika and the sonnenrad, in their logos or in prominent graphics”. One calls itself “a National Socialist newsletter”. A Substack called White-Papers, bearing the tagline “Your pro-White policy destination,” is “one of several that openly promote the ‘great replacement’ conspiracy theory [which contends that white people are being stripped of their power by the rising demographic of non-white migrants] that inspired mass shootings in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, Christchurch, New Zealand and other places”. And so on.

Prompted by this, more than 200 Substack writers wrote an open letter to the platform’s founders asking a simple question: “Why are you platforming and monetising Nazis?” On 21 December, McKenzie, who bills himself “co-founder and chief writing officer”, replied. He and his colleagues “have heard and have been listening” to the complaints. They wished to make it clear that they didn’t like Nazis either, but “some people do hold those and other extreme views. Given that, we don’t think that censorship (including through demonetising publications) makes the problem go away – in fact, it makes it worse … subjecting ideas to open discourse is the best way to strip bad ideas of their power. We are committed to upholding and protecting freedom of expression, even when it hurts.”

Aw, shucks. Such a sweet, innocent lad. The redoubtable Substacker Margaret Atwood was having none of it, pointing out that most, if not all, of the aforementioned Nazis were breaking the platform’s own rules. “You can’t have both the terms of service you have spelled out and a bunch of individual publishers who violate those terms of service. One or the other has got to go, and hiding under the sofa and pretending it isn’t happening will not make your dilemma go away. Nor will some laudable rhetoric about free speech.”

Spot on. And, as the veteran journalist Casey Newton has also noted, the correct number of Nazis on Substack is zero.



The Atlantic: Substack Has a Nazi Problem
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Lash
 
  -1  
Fri 12 Jan, 2024 05:58 pm
Regarding Israel’s genocide in Gaza, and the idea that due to the victimization of Jews during the Holocaust decades ago, they are now entitled to do as they will militarily, creating their own victims:
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https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/12/7/why-are-german-politicians-supporting-israel-and-its-brutal-war-on-gaza

As war in Gaza rages, what’s behind Germany’s support of Israel?
Germany has tried to make amends for its Nazi past by backing Israel, in what some experts say is an attempt to whitewash its international image.

On November 14, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz made another argument in defence of Israel.

“Israel is a democracy – this has to be said very clearly,” Scholz said in response to a comment by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who said Israel’s legitimacy was “being questioned due to its own fascism”.

“There is no doubt about this,” said the German leader. “And we will emphasise in every conversation and at every opportunity that this is our view.”

At the time of Scholz’s remarks, more than 11,100 Palestinians had been killed by the Israeli military, which began its latest campaign in Gaza after Hamas attacked southern Israel on October 7.

About 1,200 people were killed and more than 200 taken captive in the Hamas attacks.

At the time of writing, the Palestinian death toll in Gaza had surpassed 17,000 people.

Scholz’s comments were no mere political observation.

The modern German republic, which, for generations, has tried to make amends for its Nazi past and its role in the Holocaust during the second world war, has long made Israel’s security its Staatsräson (“reason of state”) – a term first coined in an essay by Germany’s former ambassador to Israel, Rudolf Dreßler, in the early 2000s.

Israel’s war on Gaza, which has been raging for more than 60 days, has only hardened German political support for the Israeli state.

On Tuesday, officials from Saxony-Anhalt announced that applicants seeking naturalisation in the east German state would have to commit to Israel’s “right to exist” in writing, or face being refused German citizenship.

This followed weeks of reports that German authorities are cracking down on shows of support for Gaza in this current conflict.

‘Moral standpoint’
Academic Daniel Marwecki, author of, Germany and Israel: Whitewashing and State Building, told Al Jazeera that “when German politicians today talk about Israel they [do so] from a moral standpoint”.

“All the leading German politicians think [that defending Israel] is morally the right thing to do because of the German past,” he added.

The history of ties between Germany and Israel dates back to 1948 when the Israeli state was established, following the end of the British mandate in Palestine.

Marwecki, a lecturer in international relations at the University of Hong Kong, said that a German determination to “whitewash” its international image in the wake of the Holocaust informed its post-war approach to Israel.

This included West German Chancellor Konrad Adenauer’s agreement to pay Israel post-Holocaust reparations in the form of goods and services in 1952, as the fledgling state attempted to grow its economy.

In 1965, West Germany and Israel established formal diplomatic ties.

Following the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989 – and the end of the Cold War – a reunified Germany pursued a twin-track approach to engaging with its past where its relationship with Israel, said Marwecki, proved pivotal.

This approach, he said, focused “German memory culture … more and more on the Holocaust and anti-Semitism”, while Berlin looked to buttress its role as a mainstream European power in lockstep with the United States.

Today, the German Federation is the largest economy in Europe and the fourth-largest economy in the world.

‘You’re constantly gaslit in this country’
But not everyone in Germany backs the commitment to Staatsräson.

Advocates of Palestine in Germany say that support of Israel has gone hand-in-hand with a relentless campaign to silence pro-Palestinian voices.

Examples of this, according to activists, have been numerous. In 2019, for instance, the German Bundestag passed a motion labelling the non-violent anti-Israeli Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement anti-Semitic.

And three years later, the state-funded Society for a Democratic Culture in Berlin (VDK) was forced by a German court to release a secret dossier that had framed German-Palestinian academic Anna Younes as an anti-Smite and terrorist sympathiser, using data gathered as far back as 2014.

Younes, having already endured much emotional turmoil during this and, she said, many other “misinformation episodes”, told Al Jazeera that Germany’s unwavering support for Israel’s relentless shelling of the Strip has left her “utterly speechless”.

“You’re constantly gaslit in this country,” said Younes, of what she calls a long-established attempt by the German state to delegitimise domestic support for Palestine. “My demoralised attitude springs from living through this for such a long time.”

Younes was born and brought up in east Berlin “right next to the wall”.

Anna Younes said she thinks Germany’s position shows ‘non-white’ lives are considered expendable [Courtesy: Anna Younes]
She said Germany’s support “for the genocide in Gaza” has only served to show that “Palestinian lives … Muslim lives, Arab lives and non-white lives in Europe and the Middle East” are expendable.
“This is the message that we are getting from the powerful,” added Younes, who said that nothing could dissuade her from “speaking up” for the rights of Palestinians.

Last month, a German opinion poll revealed that only 31 percent of respondents backed Scholz’s uncompromising support for the Israeli military bombardment of Gaza.

And even those who stand with Israel refuse to ignore Palestinian suffering.

One German national, Carsten, who attended a pro-Israel rally in Berlin following the events of October 7, said while “Israel’s right to exist and … defend itself [was] non-negotiable … almost everyone has significant concerns about a lot of Israel’s policies”.

The music business manager, who did not want his full name published, explained that “almost every German has ancestors or relatives who were in some shape or form involved in the slaughter of six million Jews”.

Killing innocent civilians on both sides is “clearly wrong”, he told Al Jazeera. “If people pick sides, no matter what actions ‘their side’ takes, we are doomed to gridlock, further sorrow and despair.”

SOURCE: AL JAZEERA
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Lash
 
  -1  
Fri 12 Jan, 2024 05:59 pm
The US has an Israel problem.
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Glennn
 
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Fri 12 Jan, 2024 09:55 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
On November 14, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz made another argument in defence of Israel.

“Israel is a democracy – this has to be said very clearly,” Scholz said in response to a comment by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who said Israel’s legitimacy was “being questioned due to its own fascism”.

“There is no doubt about this,” said the German leader. “And we will emphasise in every conversation and at every opportunity that this is our view.”

The Israelis sentence children to prison where they are abused, sometimes for nothing; sometimes for throwing a stone at a tank. I wonder what else Scholz doesn't know but talks about anyway.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 13 Jan, 2024 05:57 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
The modern German republic, which, for generations, has tried to make amends for its Nazi past and its role in the Holocaust during the second world war, has long made Israel’s security its Staatsräson (“reason of state”) – a term first coined in an essay by Germany’s former ambassador to Israel, Rudolf Dreßler, in the early 2000s.
"Staatsräson" was first developed by the Florentine state thinker Niccolò Machiavelli with his "Theory of the Reason of State", which was dedicated to the ratio statūs.

In Germany, the concept of "reason of state" was only introduced into political discourse after the end of the Thirty Years' War.

For the first German Chancellor Konrad Adenauer, Israel's right to exist was already in the national interest as a consequence of German responsibility for the Holocaust and an expression of reparation.

During a state visit to Israel on 18 March 2008, Chancellor Angela Merkel said in her speech to the Knesset: "This historical responsibility of Germany is part of my country's reason of state. This means that Israel's security is never negotiable for me as German Chancellor."
She reiterated this on 10 October 2021 during her farewell visit to Israel: "... Israel's security is part of our reason of state and we must act accordingly, even if we disagree on various individual issues."

Following Hamas' terrorist attack on Israel on 7 October 2023, Federal Chancellor Olaf Scholz echoed his predecessor's statement by saying - without Merkel's restriction to a "part" - that "Israel's security is the reason of state of the German state.

The support for Israel as said by Scholz was also based on the decision of the Bundestag (with all the votes of the SPD, CDU/CSU, Bündnis 90/Die Grünen and FDP parliamentary groups) [Drucksache 20/8736]
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