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Rising fascism in the US

 
 
Lash
 
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Sat 13 Jan, 2024 08:26 am
Then, Germany should learn the difference in security and war crimes.
Lash
 
  -2  
Sat 13 Jan, 2024 08:29 am
Twitter post:

Edward Snowden

@Snowden
No matter your politics, it should appall you that the media outlets which claim to care the most about "misinformation" suppressed coverage of South Africa's case against the Gaza genocide, but fully covered Israel's defense the next day—intentionally denying you the full story.
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It seems several countries—not only the US—are allowing Israel to direct their media coverage of SA vs Israel and all related events.

Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sat 13 Jan, 2024 09:03 am
@Lash,
The members of the Bundestag, our federal government and our Federal Constitutional Court will certainly be happy to welcome you as a course leader.
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izzythepush
 
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Sat 13 Jan, 2024 09:32 am
@Lash,
And Edward Snowden is a man we should all trust.

What is going on, is that instead of talking about what is going on in Gaza and the ME in general, we're wasting our time dealing eith your bollocks about the court case not being covered.
Lash
 
  -2  
Sat 13 Jan, 2024 05:09 pm
@izzythepush,
No one is forcing you to read my posts.
Imagine me showing up at your posts around this message board, complaining about the topics I wasn’t interested in.
Sheesh.
Lash
 
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Sat 13 Jan, 2024 05:11 pm
The president of Namibia on Twitter:

Namibia rejects Germany’s Support of the Genocidal Intent of the Racist Israeli State against Innocent Civilians in Gaza

On Namibian soil, #Germany committed the first genocide of the 20th century in 1904-1908, in which tens of thousands of innocent Namibians died in the most inhumane and brutal conditions. The German Government is yet to fully atone for the genocide it committed on Namibian soil. Therefore, in light of Germany’s inability to draw lessons from its horrific history, President
@hagegeingob
expresses deep concern with the shocking decision communicated by the Government of the Federal Republic of Germany yesterday, 12 January 2024, in which it rejected the morally upright indictment brought forward by South Africa before the #InternationalCourtofJustice that Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians in #Gaza.

Worryingly, ignoring the violent deaths of over 23 000 Palestinians in Gaza and various United Nations reports disturbingly highlighting the internal displacement of 85% of civilians in Gaza amid acute shortages of food and essential services, the German Government has chosen to defend in the International Court of Justice the genocidal and gruesome acts of the Israeli Government against innocent civilians in Gaza and the Occupied Palestinian Territories.

Germany cannot morally express commitment to the United Nations Convention against genocide, including atonement for the genocide in Namibia, whilst supporting the equivalent of a holocaust and genocide in Gaza. Various international organizations, such as Human Rights Watch have chillingly concluded that Israel is committing war crimes in Gaza.

President Geingob reiterates his call made on 31 December 2023, “No peace-loving human being can ignore the carnage waged against Palestinians in Gaza”. In that vein, President Geingob appeals to the German Government to reconsider its untimely decision to intervene as a third-party in defence and support of the genocidal acts of Israel before the International Court of Justice.
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If Germany doesn’t already regret this pro-Israel-at-genocide stance, I think it’s just a matter of time before they do.
izzythepush
 
  1  
Sat 13 Jan, 2024 05:37 pm
@Lash,
Feel free, complain away.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 14 Jan, 2024 12:40 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
On Namibian soil, #Germany committed the first genocide of the 20th century in 1904-1908, in which tens of thousands of innocent Namibians died in the most inhumane and brutal conditions.

Yes, between August 1904 and 1907, the German Reich attempted to exterminate the indigenous Ovaherero people, along with the groups of rebellious Khoikhoi.
Unfortunately, it has still not been legally clarified whether a basis for Namibia's claims for reparations or damages can be derived from a concept of "genocide" that is to a certain extent intertemporal - and therefore retroactive.

Lash wrote:
Germany cannot morally express commitment to the United Nations Convention against genocide, including atonement for the genocide in Namibia, whilst supporting the equivalent of a holocaust and genocide in Gaza.
I sincerely doubt that anything can be compared to the Holocaust.
glitterbag
 
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Sun 14 Jan, 2024 03:25 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Didn't Ms. Know-it-All pretend she was a history teacher? That shocks me.
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blatham
 
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Sun 14 Jan, 2024 04:26 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Re: Lash (Post 7347294)
we're wasting our time dealing eith your bollocks

That seems a definite possibility.

When someone is 1) flooding the zone with **** and who 2) almost never admits she's got anything wrong, then attempts to correct him/her look likely to be a time-wasting endeavor.
izzythepush
 
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Sun 14 Jan, 2024 04:51 am
@Walter Hinteler,
This seems similar to the British Empire legacy that I get thrown at me.

When I'm not being castigated for events that happened before I was born, those same events are used to justify American atrocities.

And we can all play that game. The US's extermination of its indigenous people inspired the Holocaust.

And Turkey, which is opposing Israel's actions, had its own genocide in 1915.

Now those events have been checklisted perhaps we can deal with the here and now.

Btw, I don't think Lash should be held personally responsible for the events at Wounded Knee.
Lash
 
  -1  
Sun 14 Jan, 2024 05:11 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

When someone is 1) flooding the zone with **** and who 2) almost never admits she's got anything wrong, then attempts to correct him/her look likely to be a time-wasting endeavor.

‘Flooding the zone with ****’ in blathamspeak is saying something he doesn’t agree with / detracting from his lordly little monologues.

But when his fury gets the best of him, he stoops to misgendering me—a woman he’s spoken to on the phone while I was visiting in the home of a person I thought was his friend. He’s well aware of my gender.

While it doesn’t bother me for myself, it informs on how low his irrational anger takes him—that he would even conceive of trying to claim a woman is a man as a mode of censure or attack or suppression of rights due to his anger.

This type of person, to me, is beneath contempt. A very low, evil-spirited type that can use this insidious, base attack on people irl to cause them real danger.
hightor
 
  2  
Sun 14 Jan, 2024 05:40 am
@Lash,
Quote:
He’s well aware of my gender.


Yes, as he indicated here:
Quote:
2) almost never admits she's got anything wrong...


Looks like your fury might have gotten the best of you, your irrational anger revealed in your lack of reading comprehension.

Quote:
A very low, evil-spirited type that can use this insidious, base attack on people irl to cause them real danger.


WTF are you even talking about?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 14 Jan, 2024 05:40 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
And we can all play that game.
My problem is how far back you can go with today's definitions. And should or must.

The genocides in the modern era mainly took place in colonies: initially during colonisation by European powers (e.g. against Indians during the Indian wars); then partly again during decolonisation.

The term genocide quickly became common in the English-speaking world after several US newspapers used it when they began to report in detail on the Nazi mass crimes in Europe towards the end of 1944.

The "Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide" came into force on 12 January 1951. It is one of the first human rights conventions of the United Nations. (However, the UN General Assembly had already declared genocide to be a crime under international law in 1946).

Researchers sometimes criticise the insistence on the uniqueness and incomparability of the Holocaust and the demand that the term genocide should only be used for the murder of the European Jews.
Instead, some scholars interpret the Shoah as a genocide among others, but one that is extremely unique in terms of its planning, organisation, the totality of the will to exterminate and the number of victims.

What was specifically German about this genocide was above all the dovetailing of radical anti-Semitism, total war, occupation and food policies as well as large-scale resettlement plans with industrialised killing.
hightor
 
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Sun 14 Jan, 2024 06:27 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The Nazis scoured Europe, captured religious, ethnic, and sexual minorities, and imprisoned them in concentration camps. On the other hand, the Gazan Palestinians have basically been living in a political entity which devolved into a concentration camp. This political entity was created by the Oslo Peace Accords and its transformation into a concentration camp was aided by the malign neglect of the Arab countries in the region who were as content to let the issue fester as the Western powers were to reluctantly impose a solution opposed by Israel.

Sometimes I question the need to take an instance of mass slaughter, which is bad enough on it own, and then turn the evil up a notch by labeling it "genocide". It's similar to labeling a murder, which is bad enough on its own, a "hate" crime. The victims are dead in either case. And then we have these arguments as to whether an incident fits a particular definition – a definition which somehow makes the crime worse, the perpetrators more guilty, the victims more dead. The term ends up being used primarily for its political effect.
Lash
 
  0  
Sun 14 Jan, 2024 06:57 am
@hightor,
This is the second time he’s referred to me as he/she.

No disingenuous defense from you changes that.
Glennn
 
  0  
Sun 14 Jan, 2024 07:06 am
@hightor,
Quote:
Sometimes I question the need to take an instance of mass slaughter, which is bad enough on it own, and then turn the evil up a notch by labeling it "genocide". It's similar to labeling a murder, which is bad enough on its own, a "hate" crime. The victims are dead in either case. And then we have these arguments as to whether an incident fits a particular definition – a definition which somehow makes the crime worse, the perpetrators more guilty, the victims more dead. The term ends up being used primarily for its political effect.

An instance of mass slaughter? It's an ongoing mass slaughter. And there's really no need to argue about this one. Israel is in the process of committing crimes against humanity. When people (mostly women and children) are slaughtered, do recall that, in nutanyahu's nutty head, every Gazan is an Amalekite and will be treated that way. He's a religious nut, and as such, has a warped sense of reality that needs to be condemned.
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In 4th month of Israeli genocide, 4 percent of Gaza’s population dead, missing, or injured; 70 percent of Strip’s infrastructure destroyed.

Geneva - As Israel’s genocidal war enters its fourth consecutive month, about 4% of the total population of the Gaza Strip—more than 90,000 people—are now dead, wounded, or missing, Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor revealed in a statement issued Friday. Included in this number is injured Gazans with long-term disabilities, the rights group said, noting that the genocide is a mass-disabling event.

Euro-Med Monitor highlighted that Israel’s continuous air, land, and sea attacks have destroyed about 70% of the Gaza Strip’s civilian facilities and infrastructure since 7 October, citing the clear Israeli aim of implementing collective punishment against the entire population and making the Strip, which has been under siege for over 17 years, uninhabitable. Israel is pushing hundreds of thousands of civilians towards mass forced displacement.

According to Euro-Med Monitor estimates, 30,676 Palestinians have been killed during the Israeli attacks as of Thursday evening, including 28,201 civilians. The death toll includes 12,040 children, 6,103 women, 241 health workers, and 105 journalists. An additional 58,960 individuals have been injured, hundreds of whom are currently in serious condition.

Euro-Med Monitor stated that, in addition to the statistics provided by the Palestinian Health Ministry, its own figures include people who have been missing beneath the debris of buildings hit by Israeli air and artillery strikes for more than 14 days now, with very little hope of survival. Hundreds of bodies that cannot be recovered remain on the roads, according to Euro-Med Monitor, particularly in areas where the Israeli army has conducted ground incursions.

The Euro-Med Monitor team further reported that about 1.9 million Palestinians have been displaced from their homes and residential areas in the Gaza Strip amid a lack of safe shelters, as 67,946 housing units have been completely destroyed and 179,750 housing units have been partially damaged. According to the team, the facilities targeted by Israel during its ongoing attacks include 318 schools; 1,612 industrial facilities; 169 health facilities, including 23 hospitals, 57 clinics, and 89 ambulances; 201 mosques; three churches; and 169 press offices.

Euro-Med Monitor noted that Israel continues to escalate its military assaults against Palestinian civilians in an apparent attempt to expand its territory to include the entire Gaza Strip, uprooting the vast majority of the Strip’s population in violation of international law. This likely amounts to war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide, the rights group said.

In addition to the indiscriminate, deadly attacks that disregard the principles of necessity and proportionality, Israel is using starvation as a weapon, contended Euro-Med Monitor. Israel is prohibiting humanitarian supplies from entering the Strip more and more frequently, it said, to subjugate the people of Gaza and force them into evacuating their land.

According to the Geneva-based organisation, Israel is deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure in order to cause as many casualties, material losses, and as much destruction as possible as a form of retaliation and collective punishment. This is against international humanitarian law, the 1949 Geneva Convention, and amounts to war crimes according to the Rome Statute, which governs the International Criminal Court.

Israel has flagrantly broken the terms of international humanitarian law, Euro-Med Monitor reiterated, which forbids property damage as a “preventive means” and property destruction as a means of deterrence, even for military purposes.

Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor has once again called on the special rapporteurs at the United Nations and the Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court to investigate the violations that have been widely documented since Israel started its genocidal war on Gaza, end the policy of impunity that Israel enjoys and make sure that perpetrators of human rights violations are held accountable, as well as ensure that all victims receive compensation.

https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/4th-month-israeli-genocide-4-percent-gazas-population-dead-missing-or-injured-70-percent-strips-infrastructure-destroyed-enar
Lash
 
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Sun 14 Jan, 2024 07:07 am
The bombings, while horrifying, even though they do target residential buildings, don’t really constitute genocide.

It is the bombings of hospitals, schools; the targeting of journalists and their families—but much more so, the cutting off of food, WATER, medical supplies, electricity. Neonatal incubators lost power as doctors warned and begged about—and babies were found rotting inside them later.

It is also the Amalek rhetoric sung by videotaped IDF soldiers, having a pep rally before activating in an urban area. Kill the children, kill the animals, utterly destroy Amalek.

It

Is

Genocide.

Israelis plant their flag in these utterly destroyed neighborhoods and towns.
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hightor
 
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Sun 14 Jan, 2024 07:12 am
@Lash,
Quote:
This is the second time he’s referred to me as he/she.

This is the second time I'm telling you you're wrong:
Quote:

Looks like your fury might have gotten the best of you, your irrational anger revealed in your lack of reading comprehension.

Here, I'll help you:
Quote:
...almost never admits she's got anything wrong, then attempts to correct him/her look likely to be a time-wasting endeavor.

"She" then attempts to correct him/her.

Him/her refers to the person you're trying to correct.

Further discussion with someone who floods the zone with **** and won't admit they are wrong looks likely to be a waste of time.
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hightor
 
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Sun 14 Jan, 2024 07:18 am
@Glennn,
Quote:
He's a religious nut, and as such, has a warped sense of reality that needs to be condemned.

But if he were a nonreligious mass killer it wouldn't be as bad? Dropping two atomic bombs on Japan doesn't warrant condemnation because the US was a secular society?
 

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