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Rising fascism in the US

 
 
oralloy
 
  -1  
Wed 8 Feb, 2023 01:56 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
Nobody takes Oralloy seriously either, he's like some character in a cartoon, a stereotype that's blown a gasket.

That's yet another lie on your part.

All you ever do is lie about other posters here, and not just me.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Wed 8 Feb, 2023 01:59 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
I haven't viewed a single post of his for more than a decade. This has not disadvantaged me.

That's because you always run away from any conversation that would require you to think.

Your posts are an endless parade of quotes from people who you guess are probably intelligent so you can pretend to be associated with them.
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Lash
 
  -1  
Wed 8 Feb, 2023 06:17 pm
As I knew. The US destroyed the Nordstrom Pipeline. Guess Germany forces their citizens to freeze and pay high tariffs for alternative fuel. Bending the knee to US hegemony.

https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream

How America Took Out The Nord Stream Pipeline
The New York Times called it a “mystery,” but the United States executed a covert sea operation that was kept secret—until now
Seymour Hersh

12 hr ago
Excerpt:

The U.S. Navy’s Diving and Salvage Center can be found in a location as obscure as its name—down what was once a country lane in rural Panama City, a now-booming resort city in the southwestern panhandle of Florida, 70 miles south of the Alabama border. The center’s complex is as nondescript as its location—a drab concrete post-World War II structure that has the look of a vocational high school on the west side of Chicago. A coin-operated laundromat and a dance school are across what is now a four-lane road.

The center has been training highly skilled deep-water divers for decades who, once assigned to American military units worldwide, are capable of technical diving to do the good—using C4 explosives to clear harbors and beaches of debris and unexploded ordinance—as well as the bad, like blowing up foreign oil rigs, fouling intake valves for undersea power plants, destroying locks on crucial shipping canals. The Panama City center, which boasts the second largest indoor pool in America, was the perfect place to recruit the best, and most taciturn, graduates of the diving school who successfully did last summer what they had been authorized to do 260 feet under the surface of the Baltic Sea.

Last June, the Navy divers, operating under the cover of a widely publicized mid-summer NATO exercise known as BALTOPS 22, planted the remotely triggered explosives that, three months later, destroyed three of the four Nord Stream pipelines, according to a source with direct knowledge of the operational planning.

Two of the pipelines, which were known collectively as Nord Stream 1, had been providing Germany and much of Western Europe with cheap Russian natural gas for more than a decade. A second pair of pipelines, called Nord Stream 2, had been built but were not yet operational. Now, with Russian troops massing on the Ukrainian border and the bloodiest war in Europe since 1945 looming, President Joseph Biden saw the pipelines as a vehicle for Vladimir Putin to weaponize natural gas for his political and territorial ambitions.

Asked for comment, Adrienne Watson, a White House spokesperson, said in an email, “This is false and complete fiction.” Tammy Thorp, a spokesperson for the Central Intelligence Agency, similarly wrote: “This claim is completely and utterly false.”

Biden’s decision to sabotage the pipelines came after more than nine months of highly secret back and forth debate inside Washington’s national security community about how to best achieve that goal. For much of that time, the issue was not whether to do the mission, but how to get it done with no overt clue as to who was responsible.

There was a vital bureaucratic reason for relying on the graduates of the center’s hardcore diving school in Panama City. The divers were Navy only, and not members of America’s Special Operations Command, whose covert operations must be reported to Congress and briefed in advance to the Senate and House leadership—the so-called Gang of Eight. The Biden Administration was doing everything possible to avoid leaks as the planning took place late in 2021 and into the first months of 2022.

President Biden and his foreign policy team—National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan, Secretary of State Tony Blinken, and Victoria Nuland, the Undersecretary of State for Policy—had been vocal and consistent in their hostility to the two pipelines, which ran side by side for 750 miles under the Baltic Sea from two different ports in northeastern Russia near the Estonian border, passing close to the Danish island of Bornholm before ending in northern Germany.

The direct route, which bypassed any need to transit Ukraine, had been a boon for the German economy, which enjoyed an abundance of cheap Russian natural gas—enough to run its factories and heat its homes while enabling German distributors to sell excess gas, at a profit, throughout Western Europe. Action that could be traced to the administration would violate US promises to minimize direct conflict with Russia. Secrecy was essential.

From its earliest days, Nord Stream 1 was seen by Washington and its anti-Russian NATO partners as a threat to western dominance. The holding company behind it, Nord Stream AG, was incorporated in Switzerland in 2005 in partnership with Gazprom, a publicly traded Russian company producing enormous profits for shareholders which is dominated by oligarchs known to be in the thrall of Putin. Gazprom controlled 51 percent of the company, with four European energy firms—one in France, one in the Netherlands and two in Germany—sharing the remaining 49 percent of stock, and having the right to control downstream sales of the inexpensive natural gas to local distributors in Germany and Western Europe. Gazprom’s profits were shared with the Russian government, and state gas and oil revenues were estimated in some years to amount to as much as 45 percent of Russia’s annual budget.

America’s political fears were real: Putin would now have an additional and much-needed major source of income, and Germany and the rest of Western Europe would become addicted to low-cost natural gas supplied by Russia—while diminishing European reliance on America. In fact, that’s exactly what happened. Many Germans saw Nord Stream 1 as part of the deliverance of former Chancellor Willy Brandt’s famed Ostpolitik theory, which would enable postwar Germany to rehabilitate itself and other European nations destroyed in World War II by, among other initiatives, utilizing cheap Russian gas to fuel a prosperous Western European market and trading economy.

Nord Stream 1 was dangerous enough, in the view of NATO and Washington, but Nord Stream 2, whose construction was completed in September of 2021, would, if approved by German regulators, double the amount of cheap gas that would be available to Germany and Western Europe. The second pipeline also would provide enough gas for more than 50 percent of Germany’s annual consumption. Tensions were constantly escalating between Russia and NATO, backed by the aggressive foreign policy of the Biden Administration.

Opposition to Nord Stream 2 flared on the eve of the Biden inauguration in January 2021, when Senate Republicans, led by Ted Cruz of Texas, repeatedly raised the political threat of cheap Russian natural gas during the confirmation hearing of Blinken as Secretary of State. By then a unified Senate had successfully passed a law that, as Cruz told Blinken, “halted [the pipeline] in its tracks.” There would be enormous political and economic pressure from the German government, then headed by Angela Merkel, to get the second pipeline online.

Would Biden stand up to the Germans? Blinken said yes, but added that he had not discussed the specifics of the incoming President’s views. “I know his strong conviction that this is a bad idea, the Nord Stream 2,” he said. “I know that he would have us use every persuasive tool that we have to convince our friends and partners, including Germany, not to move forward with it.”

A few months later, as the construction of the second pipeline neared completion, Biden blinked. That May, in a stunning turnaround, the administration waived sanctions against Nord Stream AG, with a State Department official conceding that trying to stop the pipeline through sanctions and diplomacy had “always been a long shot.” Behind the scenes, administration officials reportedly urged Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, by then facing a threat of Russian invasion, not to criticize the move.

There were immediate consequences. Senate Republicans, led by Cruz, announced an immediate blockade of all of Biden’s foreign policy nominees and delayed passage of the annual defense bill for months, deep into the fall. Politico later depicted Biden’s turnabout on the second Russian pipeline as “the one decision, arguably more than the chaotic military withdrawal from Afghanistan, that has imperiled Biden’s agenda.”

The administration was floundering, despite getting a reprieve on the crisis in mid-November, when Germany’s energy regulators suspended approval of the second Nord Stream pipeline. Natural gas prices surged 8% within days, amid growing fears in Germany and Europe that the pipeline suspension and the growing possibility of a war between Russia and Ukraine would lead to a very much unwanted cold winter. It was not clear to Washington just where Olaf Scholz, Germany’s newly appointed chancellor, stood. Months earlier, after the fall of Afghanistan, Scholtz had publicly endorsed French President Emmanuel Macron’s call for a more autonomous European foreign policy in a speech in Prague—clearly suggesting less reliance on Washington and its mercurial actions.

Throughout all of this, Russian troops had been steadily and ominously building up on the borders of Ukraine, and by the end of December more than 100,000 soldiers were in position to strike from Belarus and Crimea. Alarm was growing in Washington, including an assessment from Blinken that those troop numbers could be “doubled in short order.”

The administration’s attention once again was focused on Nord Stream. As long as Europe remained dependent on the pipelines for cheap natural gas, Washington was afraid that countries like Germany would be reluctant to supply Ukraine with the money and weapons it needed to defeat Russia.

It was at this unsettled moment that Biden authorized Jake Sullivan to bring together an interagency group to come up with a plan.

All options were to be on the table. But only one would emerge.

PLANNING

In December of 2021, two months before the first Russian tanks rolled into Ukraine, Jake Sullivan convened a meeting of a newly formed task force—men and women from the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the CIA, and the State and Treasury Departments—and asked for recommendations about how to respond to Putin’s impending invasion.

It would be the first of a series of top-secret meetings, in a secure room on a top floor of the Old Executive Office Building, adjacent to the White House, that was also the home of the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board (PFIAB). There was the usual back and forth chatter that eventually led to a crucial preliminary question: Would the recommendation forwarded by the group to the President be reversible—such as another layer of sanctions and currency restrictions—or irreversible—that is, kinetic actions, which could not be undone?

What became clear to participants, according to the source with direct knowledge of the process, is that Sullivan intended for the group to come up with a plan for the destruction of the two Nord Stream pipelines—and that he was delivering on the desires of the President.


THE PLAYERS Left to right: Victoria Nuland, Anthony Blinken, and Jake Sullivan.
Over the next several meetings, the participants debated options for an attack. The Navy proposed using a newly commissioned submarine to assault the pipeline directly. The Air Force discussed dropping bombs with delayed fuses that could be set off remotely. The CIA argued that whatever was done, it would have to be covert. Everyone involved understood the stakes. “This is not kiddie stuff,” the source said. If the attack were traceable to the United States, “It’s an act of war.”

At the time, the CIA was directed by William Burns, a mild-mannered former ambassador to Russia who had served as deputy secretary of state in the Obama Administration. Burns quickly authorized an Agency working group whose ad hoc members included—by chance—someone who was familiar with the capabilities of the Navy’s deep-sea divers in Panama City. Over the next few weeks, members of the CIA’s working group began to craft a plan for a covert operation that would use deep-sea divers to trigger an explosion along the pipeline.

Something like this had been done before. In 1971, the American intelligence community learned from still undisclosed sources that two important units of the Russian Navy were communicating via an undersea cable buried in the Sea of Okhotsk, on Russia’s Far East Coast. The cable linked a regional Navy command to the mainland headquarters at Vladivostok.

A hand-picked team of Central Intelligence Agency and National Security Agency operatives was assembled somewhere in the Washington area, under deep cover, and worked out a plan, using Navy divers, modified submarines and a deep-submarine rescue vehicle, that succeeded, after much trial and error, in locating the Russian cable. The divers planted a sophisticated listening device on the cable that successfully intercepted the Russian traffic and recorded it on a taping system.

The NSA learned that senior Russian navy officers, convinced of the security of their communication link, chatted away with their peers without encryption. The recording device and its tape had to be replaced monthly and the project rolled on merrily for a decade until it was compromised by a forty-four-year-old civilian NSA technician named Ronald Pelton who was fluent in Russian. Pelton was betrayed by a Russian defector in 1985 and sentenced to prison. He was paid just $5,000 by the Russians for his revelations about the operation, along with $35,000 for other Russian operational data he provided that was never made public.

That underwater success, codenamed Ivy Bells, was innovative and risky, and produced invaluable intelligence about the Russian Navy's intentions and planning.

Still, the interagency group was initially skeptical of the CIA’s enthusiasm for a covert deep-sea attack. There were too many unanswered questions. The waters of the Baltic Sea were heavily patrolled by the Russian navy, and there were no oil rigs that could be used as cover for a diving operation. Would the divers have to go to Estonia, right across the border from Russia’s natural gas loading docks, to train for the mission? “It would be a goat ****,” the Agency was told.

Throughout “all of this scheming,” the source said, “some working guys in the CIA and the State Department were saying, ‘Don’t do this. It’s stupid and will be a political nightmare if it comes out.’”

Nevertheless, in early 2022, the CIA working group reported back to Sullivan’s interagency group: “We have a way to blow up the pipelines.”

What came next was stunning. On February 7, less than three weeks before the seemingly inevitable Russian invasion of Ukraine, Biden met in his White House office with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, who, after some wobbling, was now firmly on the American team. At the press briefing that followed, Biden defiantly said, “If Russia invades . . . there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.”

Twenty days earlier, Undersecretary Nuland had delivered essentially the same message at a State Department briefing, with little press coverage. “I want to be very clear to you today,” she said in response to a question. “If Russia invades Ukraine, one way or another Nord Stream 2 will not move forward.”


Several of those involved in planning the pipeline mission were dismayed by what they viewed as indirect references to the attack.

“It was like putting an atomic bomb on the ground in Tokyo and telling the Japanese that we are going to detonate it,” the source said. “The plan was for the options to be executed post invasion and not advertised publicly. Biden simply didn’t get it or ignored it.”

Biden’s and Nuland’s indiscretion, if that is what it was, might have frustrated some of the planners. But it also created an opportunity. According to the source, some of the senior officials of the CIA determined that blowing up the pipeline “no longer could be considered a covert option because the President just announced that we knew how to do it.”

The plan to blow up Nord Stream 1 and 2 was suddenly downgraded from a covert operation requiring that Congress be informed to one that was deemed as a highly classified intelligence operation with U.S. military support. Under the law, the source explained, “There was no longer a legal requirement to report the operation to Congress. All they had to do now is just do it—but it still had to be secret. The Russians have superlative surveillance of the Baltic Sea.”

The Agency working group members had no direct contact with the White House, and were eager to find out if the President meant what he’d said—that is, if the mission was now a go. The source recalled, “Bill Burns comes back and says, ‘Do it.’”
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More at the link.

oralloy
 
  -2  
Wed 8 Feb, 2023 08:47 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
Guess Germany forces their citizens to freeze and pay high tariffs for alternative fuel.

IF the US did it, they surly secured the agreement of the German government first.

Anyway, better to pay higher prices than to be subject to Russian blackmail.


Lash wrote:
Bending the knee to US hegemony.

Nonsense. Freedom and democracy are not hegemony.


Seymour Hersh wrote:
From its earliest days, Nord Stream 1 was seen by Washington and its anti-Russian NATO partners as a threat to western dominance.

This bit of nonsense makes the entire article questionable. The only party that is trying to dominate Europe is Russia.

Anything that babbles about "western dominance" is disinformation from the KGB.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Wed 8 Feb, 2023 09:34 pm
@oralloy,
surly -> surely
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 9 Feb, 2023 11:24 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
Guess Germany forces their citizens to freeze and pay high tariffs for alternative fuel.
Your ability to guess is wrong as usually before.

Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Thu 9 Feb, 2023 11:25 am
@Lash,
This weakly substantiated blog post with the claim that the USA blew up the Nord Stream pipelines is, of course, already using Russian propaganda mightily for its own purposes.
"Biden writes himself into history as a terrorist," wrote the chairman of the Russian parliament, Vyacheslav Volodin, on his Telegram channel. (Earlier, media loyal to the Kremlin had already picked up Hersh's report).
Based on the "facts", Biden should be brought to justice and "compensation should be paid to the countries affected by the terrorist attack", Duma speaker Volodin continued. He also drew parallels between Biden and former US President Harry S. Truman, who ordered the dropping of atomic bombs on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki during World War II.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov had also said Hersh's report deserved more attention, according to the Reuters news agency. Unlike Volodin, however, he was more diplomatic in his comments. "The world needs to find out the truth about who carried out this act of sabotage," Peskov said. He called for an international investigation with Russian participation. The Western partners reject this.

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izzythepush
 
  3  
Thu 9 Feb, 2023 11:37 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Being told what to think by the Kremlin hardly counts as guessing.
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Lash
 
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Thu 9 Feb, 2023 11:46 am
@Walter Hinteler,
So glad to hear your energy costs didn’t rise after the US blew the pipeline.
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Thu 9 Feb, 2023 11:49 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
So glad to hear your energy costs didn’t rise after the US blew the pipeline.
I suppose, you got hacked since I wrote nothing about my (or German or European) or of the energy costs of countries supporting the Ukraine.

Regarding the use of alternative fuel: with the aim to promote the production of renewable energy (RE), the first German Feed-in Tariff (EEG) came into force in 2000.
The production of electricity from renewable sources in Germany was only 6.2% in 2000, increasing to 23.7% by 2012, up to about 28 % in 2014 to 50+% this year.

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Lash
 
  -2  
Thu 9 Feb, 2023 11:53 am
In other obviously unrelated news.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/german-industry-pay-40-more-energy-than-pre-crisis-study-says-2023-01-30/

German industry to pay 40% more for energy than pre-crisis - study says

FRANKFURT, Jan 30 (Reuters) - German industry is set to pay about 40% more for energy in 2023 than in 2021, before the energy crisis triggered by Russia's invasion of Ukraine, a study by Allianz Trade said on Monday, citing contract expiries and delayed wholesale pricing effects.
(Notice the misleading framing of why the prices are skyrocketing—L)

"The large energy-price shock still lies ahead for European corporates," said Allianz Trade, the credit insurer that changed its name from Euler Hermes last year.

In 2022, higher corporate utility bills were contained as long pass-through times from wholesale markets and government interventions mitigated the immediate hit from surging prices as Russia curbed fuel exports to the West.

The price increases will hit corporate profits across Europe by 1-1.5% and lead to lower investment, which in Germany's case would amount to 25 billion euros ($27 billion), Allianz Trade estimated.

Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Thu 9 Feb, 2023 12:08 pm
@Lash,
Quote of the summary from the original (German) source (Allianz Trade Study).
Quote:
• Energy price shock still ahead of European companies in 2023

• Price increase for companies in 2022 manageable due to government measures and only partly indexed long-term contracts

• With the extension of expiring contracts, the price level is likely to rise significantly

• But: Gas price cap dampens rise in Germany and German companies show resilience to crisis

• Comparatively moderate: energy prices are likely to be around 40% higher for German companies in 2023 than before the Ukraine war in 2021; in Italy and Spain energy prices are likely to skyrocket more dramatically by +90% compared to 2021

• Fear of deindustrialisation due to energy price shock unfounded: Energy consumption usually accounts for about 1-1.5% of production costs in manufacturing - labour costs and exchange rates have a much greater impact

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 9 Feb, 2023 12:29 pm
@Lash,
As for Nord Stream ("Strom" is German, indeed, but translates as "electricity"):
Since the beginning of the planning in the mid-90s of the last century, there have been protests, especially from the Baltic states, Poland and Ukraine.
This intensified after the opening of Nord Stream I in 2011 and the planning/construction of Nord Stream II.

The changing USA administrations of the past years all rejected the project.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 9 Feb, 2023 01:36 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
mid-summer NATO exercise known as BALTOPS 22

A personal comment on this.

As a conscript (navigator on a minesweeper), I took part in the big NATO Baltic exercise in 1970, which was then called BALTOPS (short for Baltic Operations) from 1971.

As a reserve officer, I also served on a minesweeper in 1971, then on landing crafts until 1979 in several BALTOPS.

In 1983 and 1984, my participation was extremely indirect: regatta sailor on a navy cutter during the 'Kieler Woche'. (Most of the ships involved in BALTOPS also take part in Kiel Week, some specifically also in the regattas.


BALTOPS always has been in early summer (around mid-June, not "mid-summer"), as was BALTOPS 22 - Kiel Week takes place in the last full week of June.
vikorr
 
  4  
Thu 9 Feb, 2023 03:16 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
There's and odd quirk to winter and summer - the solstice dates are generally 22 June and 22 Dec. The solistices are sometimes referred to as the mid winter/summer solstice, due to the earths proximity to the sun.
Frank Apisa
 
  2  
Fri 10 Feb, 2023 04:02 am
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:

There's and odd quirk to winter and summer - the solstice dates are generally 22 June and 22 Dec. The solistices are sometimes referred to as the mid winter/summer solstice, due to the earths proximity to the sun.


That is not quite correct, Vikorr.

First of all, the more frequent date of the solstices...is the 21st, not the 22nd. And they have nothing to do with the Earth's proximity to the Sun. You are correct that the Earth does come closer to the sun at times than others, because its orbit is not circular. Counterintuitively, the Earth is closest to the Sun during the winter (in the northern hemisphere)...and furthest away during the summer.

The solstices are a function of the tilt of the Earth with regard to its position during its revolution around the Sun.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Fri 10 Feb, 2023 04:33 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank's right, it's only the 22nd during a leap year.
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vikorr
 
  2  
Fri 10 Feb, 2023 06:53 am
@Frank Apisa,
I was trying to keep things simple, as to why they may have called it mid summer.

I thought about correcting myself, then didn't think anyone would pick up on it. Silly me.

Technically, the solstices are really just the shortest or longest day of the year, which occurs because of the tilt of the earth, and how that positions different parts of the globe in relation to the sun, and how that in turn affects the length of the day, during different parts of the seasonal cycle....which all sounds like gobbledigook.

As for the date, it really depends on where you are. It varies (depending on where you are) between the 20-22 of the month (remember, time zones affect dates as well). In my area, 22nd is most common.

That was a lot of talk for trying for a short explanation for why they called it mid summer........

Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 10 Feb, 2023 07:31 am
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:
I was trying to keep things simple, as to why they may have called it mid summer.
It was "mid-summer".
And since "mid-November" was written in that report as well, I didn't and don't think, midsummer (as the day/date around the summer solstice) was meant.
But I am certainly also influenced that we called it an 'early summer exercise'.
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Frank Apisa
 
  2  
Fri 10 Feb, 2023 07:39 am
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:


I was trying to keep things simple, as to why they may have called it mid summer.

I thought about correcting myself, then didn't think anyone would pick up on it. Silly me.

Technically, the solstices are really just the shortest or longest day of the year, which occurs because of the tilt of the earth, and how that positions different parts of the globe in relation to the sun, and how that in turn affects the length of the day, during different parts of the seasonal cycle....which all sounds like gobbledigook.

As for the date, it really depends on where you are. It varies (depending on where you are) between the 20-22 of the month (remember, time zones affect dates as well). In my area, 22nd is most common.

That was a lot of talk for trying for a short explanation for why they called it mid summer........




I hope I made the correction in a non-judgmental way, Vikorr. It was not that kind of correction. I appreciate what you were trying to do. I was just getting the facts of the matter straight.
 

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