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Rising fascism in the US

 
 
Lash
 
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Mon 19 Dec, 2022 07:33 am
Wonder what’s next for Twitter.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 19 Dec, 2022 10:06 am
@Lash,
The question is whether Twitter is a medium, which would make Musk responsible for the content there, or whether Twitter is just an infrastructure on which others dump their content.

Musk can block whoever or whatever he wants on Twitter. Social networks are private companies, and house rules apply.
A medium, on the other hand, is always subject to the respective media laws. In democratic countries, these are formulated in such a way that the right to freedom of expression and freedom of the press is guaranteed just as much as the right to human dignity and the prevention of criminal offences such as the dissemination of false information, agitation or incitement to violence.
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Lash
 
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Tue 20 Dec, 2022 11:16 am
Section 230 is being re-considered, as you may know.
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Lash
 
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Tue 20 Dec, 2022 11:18 am
The FBI paid over $3million to Twitter to suppress the Bidens’ crimes to throw an election.

https://youtu.be/r7_PATZuEd8
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Lash
 
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Tue 20 Dec, 2022 05:00 pm
https://www.theblaze.com/news/actor-tim-robbins-expresses-remorse-about-turning-on-the-unvaccinated-and-the-unmasked

Leftist actor Tim Robbins appeared on British comedian Russell Brand's podcast this week to retroactively denounce the politicization of health policies during the pandemic and to express remorse about his uncritical acceptance of the media's COVID-19 narrative.

In the Dec. 18 episode of Brand's podcast, Robbins, an Academy Award-winning actor, explained his journey from strict compliance with government edicts early in the pandemic to one of doubt about the inerrancy of so-called health experts and the official narrative constructed around COVID-19, vaccination, lockdowns, and masking.

Despite having initially "bought into it" and "adhering to the requests" made of him, Robbins explained that his real-life encounters were ultimately at odds with what he had otherwise been told about the pandemic, anti-lockdown protesters, and the unvaccinated. This generated a sense of cognitive dissonance, prompting him to doubt the official narrative.

What are the details?

Robbins said he was living in Los Angeles when the pandemic first struck.

Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti told the unvaccinated to prepare to lose their jobs.

"I bought into it. ... I was masking everywhere. I was keeping my social distance. I was adhering to the requests made of me, and I felt angry at people that didn't do that," Robbins told Brand.

Although he saw thriving areas that were not strictly following statist health protocols when he drove across the U.S., it was not until he visited the United Kingdom that Robbins acknowledged the possibility that he may have been wrong to unquestioningly accept the official pandemic narrative.

In Britain, he "noticed a lot of people were not adhering again to these requests made by their government. I thought, well, they're going to have a hard day coming up, that there will be some serious death here."

"When I saw that there wasn't a huge death rate [in Britain], after I witnessed personally what was happening, I started to wonder more and more about what we were being told and whether it was true or not."

The catastrophe of and for the unvaccinated that Robbins and others were guaranteed by the Western governments and the media hadn't come to be. He began to wonder what else wasn't so.

The actor recalled navigating through an anti-lockdown protest in London. Robbins hadn't joined because he supported the protest, but rather because he was curious.

"I saw the way that they were being described in the press, and it wasn't true," he said. "These were not, you know, National Front Nazis. These were liberals and lefties and people who believed in personal freedom."

Politicizing the pandemic

Robbins suggested that the pandemic was particularly politicized in the United States.

Brand concurred, suggesting that "there is a lot more political ideology at play than is perhaps wise, prudent, or even honest when the claim that is being made is that we are following science."

Robbins admitted, "At first, if you were a Democrat, when Trump was president, well, you weren't going to take that vaccine because it was Trump's vaccine, and then that seemed to somehow change. It was kind of Orwellian. It was like we are no longer at war with East Asia."

However, after the political winds shifted and Democrats assumed power during the pandemic, Robbins noted, "If you didn't take the vaccine, you were a Republican."

The end result, according to Robbins: "We turned into tribal, angry, vengeful people."

Robbins previously told investigative reporter Matt Taibbi, "I think we lost a lot of ourselves during this time."

"I heard people saying [during the pandemic], 'If you didn’t take the vaccine and you get sick, you don’t have a right to a hospital bed.' It made me think about returning to a society where we care about each other. Your neighbor would be sick, and you’d bring over some soup. It didn’t matter what their politics were, you’re their f---ing neighbor," said Robbins.

The actor suggested to Taibbi that those who dehumanize and divide others "often think they're being virtuous."

Robbins accepts that he too was swept up into the ranks of the socially destructive.

"You go from someone that is inclusive, altruistic, generous, empathetic, to a monster. Where you want to freeze people’s bank accounts because they disagree with you," he said. "That’s a dangerous thing. That’s a dangerous world that we’ve created. And I say 'we,' because I was part of that. I bought into that whole idea early on."

While Robbins and others have admitted guilt, others would prefer to gloss over their dehumanization of those treated as pariahs for standing up to coercive pandemic protocols.

TheBlaze previously reported that Emily Oster, an economist at Brown University, demanded a "Pandemic Amnesty" in the pages of the Atlantic.

Unlike Robbins, Oster suggested that blind compliance to health edicts and demonization of dissenters "wasn't a moral failing" and that "we need to learn from our mistakes and then let them go. We need to forgive the attacks, too."


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Mame
 
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Wed 21 Dec, 2022 05:47 am
And your post is apropos of what exactly? Who cares what Tom Robbins or this Oster person think? Are you just dredging up anything to support your POV?
NSFW (view)
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hightor
 
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Wed 21 Dec, 2022 06:46 am
@Mame,
It's the typical modus operandi of people who wish to prolong an argument and look as if they're engaged in deep research – find sources on right-wing and alt-left media and post endless permutations of the same story told by different people who are never cross-examined or asked to show their train of reasoning. And if the story seems half-cooked, don't worry – there's more to come and you should be quaking in your boots 'cause it's gonna be explosive!
izzythepush
 
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Wed 21 Dec, 2022 07:00 am
@Frank Apisa,
He appeared on Jonathan Ross' radio show where he phoned Andrew Sachs, who played Manuel in Fawlty Towers, only to boast that he'd fucked his granddaughter.

Andrew Sachs died shortly afterwards.

That's the sort of vile behaviour he's known for.
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blatham
 
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Wed 21 Dec, 2022 09:06 am
@hightor,
Quote:
Re: Mame (Post 7290509)
It's the typical modus operandi of people who wish to prolong an argument and look as if they're engaged in deep research – find sources on right-wing and alt-left media and post endless permutations of the same story told by different people who are never cross-examined or asked to show their train of reasoning. And if the story seems half-cooked, don't worry – there's more to come and you should be quaking in your boots 'cause it's gonna be explosive!

Very nicely stated and as astute as anything we'll read today.

And there's a very interesting psychology that attends such voices which (1) posits some unique level of perspicacity and unusually brave honesty in confronting reality and which (2) axiomatically holds that any and all criticism of ideas/claims forwarded is not merely proof of their glorious victimization but which also stands as proof for the propositions held in (1).
McGentrix
 
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Wed 21 Dec, 2022 09:28 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

izzythepush wrote:

something useless


Then he would be very, very popular with America's far right.


Brand had long been a darling of the Left Frank. But, he dared to speak against them and was immediately labeled far right. He still holds many liberal opinions and expresses them freely.

Make your own opinion about things and stop reading what people spew like so much verbal diarrhea.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 21 Dec, 2022 09:48 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:
Brand had long been a darling of the Left Frank. But, he dared to speak against them and was immediately labeled far right.
The BBC2 broadcast had nothing to do with speaking against the left but it was an unacceptable intrusion into private lives. (Those more than 42,000 complaints didn't label him far right either.)
McGentrix wrote:
Brand had long been a darling of the Left
Yes, he endorsed Labour in 2015, but wasn't advocating a vote for Labour because he became a born-again Milibandite, but because he believed Labour were far more amenable to pressure than the Tories.
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izzythepush
 
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Wed 21 Dec, 2022 09:55 am
@McGentrix,
No he wasn't.

He's always been an arsehole, a complete embarrassment.

Then again someone who considers sexual assault of minors as alpha male behaviour should have no problem with the abuse of an elderly actor.
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Lash
 
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Wed 21 Dec, 2022 10:00 am
@Mame,
Mame wrote:

And your post is apropos of what exactly? Who cares what Tom Robbins or this Oster person think? Are you just dredging up anything to support your POV?

LOL!! Now, this type of person tries to silence others. See how easy it becomes when there’s a national narrative, followed religiously by mindless marching idiots who trust without question?

This is really amazing.
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hightor
 
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Wed 21 Dec, 2022 10:00 am
@McGentrix,
Quote:
Brand had long been a darling of the Left Frank.

Probably not a "darling", but like Candace Owens, Dave Rubin, and Greenwald, someone who was once mistakenly perceived to be "liberal" because of our cultural penchant for using ideological labels.
Quote:
He still holds many liberal opinions and expresses them freely.

But that doesn't mean that he knows what he's talking about.
Quote:
Make your own opinion about things and stop reading what people spew like so much verbal diarrhea.

Frank's point stands – Brand is now popular with people on the right.
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Lash
 
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Wed 21 Dec, 2022 10:01 am
@hightor,
Says someone who’s never brought an article that aligned with his opinion.
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Lash
 
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Wed 21 Dec, 2022 10:04 am
@blatham,
Welcome to the Rising Fascism in the US thread.

My god, Tim Robbins has slayed the whole bunch of you! (Scanning madly for more thoughts by Tim Robbins!!😂😂)
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Lash
 
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Wed 21 Dec, 2022 10:08 am
The Core Fallacy of Trump Derangement Syndrome
https://youtu.be/gKLdFpBNWAQ

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Lash
 
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Wed 21 Dec, 2022 10:11 am
Notice the democrat cheerleading squad unable to refute any content ever—but ALWAYS revert immediately and religiously to ad hominem attacks.

Because they no longer think or read challenging material—they deflect, distract, and run with their eyes closed.

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