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Rising fascism in the US

 
 
hightor
 
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Wed 14 Dec, 2022 12:12 pm
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Of course it leaked from the place in Wuhan where they were weaponizing it.

No, not "of course". Possibly would be a better choice of words. Now, we know that SARS was a zoonotic infection, originating in bats, then spreading to civets, which were sold in markets for food. This is a problem in parts of southeast Asia where many people make an income from the capture and sale of these wild animals. The Chinese were alarmed at the possibility of similar outbreaks occurring in the future and decided to upgrade the existing institute of virology. The new lab was constructed in 2014:
Wikipedia wrote:
The WIV was founded in 1956 as the Wuhan Microbiology Laboratory under the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS). It was established by scientists Gao Shangyin, a graduate of Soochow University (Suzhou),[7] and Chen Huagui.[8] In 1961, it became the South China Institute of Microbiology, and in 1962 was renamed Wuhan Microbiology Institute. In 1970, it became the Microbiology Institute of Hubei Province when the Hubei Commission of Science and Technology took over the administration. In June 1978, it was returned to the CAS and renamed Wuhan Institute of Virology.[9]

In 2003, the Chinese academy of Sciences approved the construction of mainland China's first[a] biosafety level 4 (BSL-4) laboratory at the WIV. In 2014, the WIV's National Bio-safety Laboratory was built at a cost of 300 million yuan (US$44 million), in collaboration and with assistance from the French government's CIRI lab).[10][5][11] The new laboratory building has 3000 m2 of BSL-4 space, and also 20 BSL-2 and two BSL-3 laboratories.[12] The BSL-4 facilities were accredited by the China National Accreditation Service for Conformity Assessment (CNAS) in January 2017,[5] with the BSL-4 level lab put into operation in January 2018.[13] The highest level biosafety installation is necessary because the Institute investigated highly dangerous viruses, such as SARS, influenza H5N1, Japanese encephalitis, and dengue.[14]

The National Bio-safety Laboratory has strong ties to the Galveston National Laboratory in the University of Texas.[15] It also had ties with Canada's National Microbiology Laboratory until WIV staff scientists Xiangguo Qiu and her husband Keding Cheng, who were also remunerated by the Canadian government, were escorted from the Canadian lab for undisclosed reasons in July 2019.[16] Researchers from the WIV have, in the past, collaborated with international scientists in the creation of chimeric coronavirus.[17] Some researchers (notably Richard Ebright) believe this work falls under the definition of gain of function research, but many other experts dispute this classification.[18]

A number of safety precautions were taken into consideration when building the Wuhan lab. The lab was built far away from any flood plain. It was also built to withstand a magnitude-7 earthquake, even though the region has no history of earthquakes. Many Wuhan lab staff were trained at a BSL-4 lab in Lyon, France.[5] Researchers were also trained in Australia, Canada, the United States and then in-house before the lab was operational.[12] Scientists such as U.S. molecular biologist Richard H. Ebright, who had expressed concern of previous escapes of the SARS virus at Chinese laboratories in Beijing and had been troubled by the pace and scale of China's plans for expansion into BSL-4 laboratories,[5] called the institute a "world-class research institution that does world-class research in virology and immunology" while he noted that the WIV is a world leader in the study of bat coronaviruses.[15]


It's not unusual for countries and public health organizations to fund research on viral and bacterial diseases. Such research is vital in determining how best to guard against pandemics. Experimentation with particular strains involves DNA analysis of viruses raised in the laboratory and manipulation of the genetic sequence to determine the components of virus and how they work. This knowledge is shared with pharmaceutical companies which use the findings to develop vaccines.

The Wuhan Institute is a highly advanced and technologically sophisticated laboratory and Chinese virologists are among the most knowledgeable in the world. Sure, it's possible that a technician inadvertently caught a disease from the biological specimens being analyzed or unknowingly spread contamination outside the lab. But gain-of-function research is known to be a potential source of pathogens and researchers take great care to prevent the escape of any experimentally mutated pathogen. The Chinese aren't primitive. They understand the need for safety protocols. If there was a "lab leak" you can be sure they'd be the first to know and appropriate steps would be taken to prevent such an occurrence in the future.

The charge that they are "weaponizing" the virus is stupid, simplistic, and vaguely racist. A similar rumor was directed at alleged "bioweapons labs" in Ukraine – pretty much by the same collection of conspiratards. As someone pointed out earlier in this thread, the corona virus is a particularly bad candidate for weaponization. Not only is it often non-lethal – a significant number of infections are asymptomatic. It's not anthrax.
Lash
 
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Wed 14 Dec, 2022 12:14 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I also agree.

Thank you for the translation. I’d seen similar ones, but of course, couldn’t begin to trust a translation.
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izzythepush
 
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Wed 14 Dec, 2022 12:16 pm
@hightor,
When the Salisbury poisonings occured the Russians were very quick to point a finger at the Biological and Chemical weapons reserach centre at Porton Down.
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Lash
 
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Wed 14 Dec, 2022 12:17 pm
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The charge that they are "weaponizing" the virus is stupid, simplistic, and vaguely racist.

Wtf do you think Fauci’s ‘gain of function’ efforts were for??

I guess I’m racist against Italians.

Idiot.
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Lash
 
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Wed 14 Dec, 2022 12:25 pm
https://nypost.com/2021/10/21/faucis-agency-admits-it-funded-gain-of-function-work-in-wuhan-what-else-are-they-keeping-from-us/

It turns out US taxpayer money did go for “gain of function” research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, despite Dr. Anthony Fauci’s heated denials of just that.

Gain-of-function work involves intentionally making a virus more effective against humans. The “lab leak” theory for COVID-19’s origins posits that WIV researchers so engineered a coronavirus, with some accident letting it reach the wider world and kill nearly 5 million worldwide.

This particular work doesn’t seem COVID-related, but the news increases the odds that other EcoHealth projects also went off the reservation.

Tabak, the NIH principal deputy director, broke the news in a letter to Rep. James Comer, the House Oversight Committee’s top Republican. The “limited experiment” used humanized mice to test infection with bat coronaviruses; the modified virus did indeed sicken more of them than the unmodified one. But “EcoHealth failed to report this finding right away, as was required by the terms of the grant,” Tabak wrote, vowing to demand full disclosure from the grantee.

Laughably, Tabak also claims the 2018 experiments didn’t fit the definition of the US ban on funding gain-of-function work on potential pandemic-causers “because these bat coronaviruses had not been shown to infect humans.”

This isn’t the only shady EcoHealth experiment coming to light now, nearly two years after COVID broke out. The Intercept reported starting last month that EcoHealth violated the terms of its grant at least four times by “creating new viruses using different parts of existing bat coronaviruses and inserting them into humanized mice” in the Wuhan lab, which was overseen by the NIH’s Fauci-led National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

NIH chief Francis Collins insists none of the bat viruses studied under this grant could “possibly have caused the COVID-19 pandemic.” But what of other grants? And how can he be sure EcoHealth or the Wuhan researchers didn’t break more rules than the one NIH just admitted? Notably, he’s still claiming the bug evolved naturally, while saying it’s impossible to prove without China’s help and ignoring the strong evidence implicating the Wuhan lab.

EcoHealth, the NIH and Fauci all have a lot of explaining to do.
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Lash
 
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Wed 14 Dec, 2022 12:34 pm
Discredited due to his observations and speech, an epidemiologist, VP of EcoHealth BIOWEAPONS LAB speaks out

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/covid-19-lableak/2022/12/11/id/1100046/

A scientist who formerly worked at a National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases-funded U.S. non-governmental organization says he believes the COVID-19 pandemic leaked out of the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

Andrew Huff, the former vice president at EcoHealth Alliance and an infectious disease epidemiologist in his own right, said, according to the Washington Times, that his organization engaged in "gain-of-function" research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology for years prior to the COVID-19 outbreak. Huff said he believes the Wuhan lab, which he notes as a Chinese bioweapons research facility that he was aware of since 2010, manufactured the coronavirus that would later escape and cause a worldwide pandemic.

"I suspected," Huff said, "that this was a lab leak from day one and as time went on the information gaps that I had were filled." The epidemiologist notes that no evidence supports a theory of the virus emerging out of the Wuhan wet market.
Lash
 
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Wed 14 Dec, 2022 12:35 pm
I’m getting the impression you people never once read or thought critically about this.

hightor
 
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Wed 14 Dec, 2022 12:39 pm
Wikipedia wrote:
In virology, gain-of-function research is usually employed with the intention of better understanding current and future pandemics. In vaccine development, gain-of-function research is conducted in the hope of gaining a head start on a virus and being able to develop a vaccine or therapeutic before it emerges. The term "gain of function" is sometimes applied more narrowly to refer to "research which could enable a pandemic-potential pathogen to replicate more quickly or cause more harm in humans or other closely-related mammals."
Lash
 
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Wed 14 Dec, 2022 12:43 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Wikipedia wrote:
In virology, gain-of-function research is usually employed with the intention of better understanding current and future pandemics. In vaccine development, gain-of-function research is conducted in the hope of gaining a head start on a virus and being able to develop a vaccine or therapeutic before it emerges. The term "gain of function" is sometimes applied more narrowly to refer to "research which could enable a pandemic-potential pathogen to replicate more quickly or cause more harm in humans or other closely-related mammals."



The story is out. No need to cape for the US or Fauci any longer—certainly not to me.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 14 Dec, 2022 01:08 pm
@Lash,
Huff's classification of the origin of the virus seems groundbreaking.

Surely there is clear evidence in his book "The Truth About Wuhan" that proves the emergence and outbreak from the laboratory? (In any case, none of this in the original report published by the British tabloid 'The Sun' over a week ago - even before the 'Washington Times' picked it up, the one Newsmax, quoted by you, reported.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 14 Dec, 2022 01:13 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Surely there is clear evidence in his book "The Truth About Wuhan" that proves the emergence and outbreak from the laboratory?


EcoHealth Alliance Statement Regarding Book by Andrew Huff
Quote:
RE: Publication of Andrew Huff’s The Truth About Wuhan

December 5, 2022

Andrew Huff, a former employee of the EcoHealth Alliance, has published a book entitled The Truth About Wuhan: How I Uncovered the Biggest Lie in History. According to press reports, Mr Huff claims that the COVID-19 pandemic was the result of a lab leak from research conducted by the Wuhan Institute of Virology in collaboration with EcoHealth Alliance.

Mr. Huff is entitled to his own opinions, but not to his own facts. The actual “truth about Wuhan” is:

1) Mr. Huff was employed by the EcoHealth Alliance from 2014 to 2016. However, reports that he worked at or with the Wuhan Institute of Virology during that time are untrue. He was assigned to a completely different project working on computer-based algorithms to assess emerging disease threats.

2) Mr. Huff alleges that EcoHealth Alliance was engaged in gain of function research to create SARS-CoV-2. This is not true.

3) Mr. Huff makes a number of other speculations and allegations about the nature of the collaboration between EcoHealth Alliance and the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Given that he never worked at or with the Wuhan Institute of Virology, his assertions along these lines cannot be trusted.

4) Mr. Huff claims that SARS-CoV-2 emerged as a lab leak from the Wuhan Institute of Virology based on research conducted there on bat coronaviruses and, further, that this research was related to U.S. intelligence gathering efforts. This is not true.

Dr. Francis Collins, then Director of the U. S. National Institutes of Health issued the following statement on October 20, 2021: “NIH wants to set the record straight on NIH-supported research to understand naturally occurring bat coronaviruses at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, funded through a subaward from NIH grantee EcoHealth Alliance. Analysis of published genomic data and other documents from the grantee demonstrate that the naturally occurring bat coronaviruses studied under the NIH grant are genetically far distant from SARS-CoV-2 and could not possibly have caused the COVID-19 pandemic. Any claims to the contrary are demonstrably false.

The scientific evidence to date indicates that the virus is likely the result of viral evolution in nature, potentially jumping directly to humans or through an unidentified intermediary animal host. Historically, many viruses have emerged from animals to cause epidemics and pandemics, including influenza, Ebola, Zika, West Nile fever, SARS, and more. Importantly, after an intensive investigation, agencies in the U.S Intelligence Community agreed that the virus was not developed as a biological weapon and most agencies assessed that SARS-CoV-2 most likely was not genetically engineered.”
https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/who-we-are/nih-director/statements/statement-misinformation-about-sars-cov-2-origins

5) Mr. Huff argues that the origin of COVID-19 is definitely due to a lab leak, yet he provides no scientific evidence to support his case. To the contrary, the emerging consensus, based on peer-reviewed scientific evidence, is that COVID-19 originated through zoonotic spillover. Substantial published scientific evidence indicates that COVID-19 originated via a similar pathway to SARS, involving a spillover from bats to intermediate animal hosts, then to people within the wildlife trade, leading to the first known cluster in the Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan, China, in December 2019. The hypothesis that SARS-COV-2 was created in a laboratory is now widely considered less probable than emergence via the wildlife trade. A recent report by the Independent Task Force on COVID-19 and Other Pandemic Origins, Prevention, and Response, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, reviews the considerable peer-reviewed literature and concludes that the preponderance of the evidence is most consistent with COVID-19’s origin as a zoonotic infection within the wildlife trade. While a lab leak cannot be absolutely ruled out, the Independent Task Force found no verifiable and credible evidence or scientific data to support this interpretation.

Here is the link to the PNAS paper and its supplement (see Table S6) containing links to all of the available published (and some unpublished) evidence on COVID-19 origins: https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2202871119 .
blatham
 
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Wed 14 Dec, 2022 01:38 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
But..but..but...

Lash has Newsmax and the Washington Times to back up her, um, opinions. And these are two news sources long loved and respected by progressive scholars around the world.
Lash
 
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Wed 14 Dec, 2022 01:38 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Gee, imagine my surprise that they don’t want to cop to developing a bioweapon that wrecked the world for a few years and killed millions of people.
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Real Music
 
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Wed 14 Dec, 2022 01:40 pm
@Lash,
Just for clarification:


1. Lash, Are you blaming Dr. Fauci for the (actual existence) of Covid-19?

2. Lash, Are you claiming that Dr Fauci is the blame for the pandemic?
Lash
 
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Wed 14 Dec, 2022 01:41 pm
@blatham,
Still caping for an outed false narrative constructed by a disgusting corrupt bunch of crooks. Yay team.
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Lash
 
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Wed 14 Dec, 2022 01:43 pm
@Real Music,
1. Yes
2. Along with others, yes.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 14 Dec, 2022 01:45 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
Lash has Newsmax and the Washington Times to back up her, um, opinions. And these are two news sources long loved and respected by progressive scholars around the world.

The well-founded and highly scientific journalism of these quality newspapers actually exceeds my intellect
hightor
 
  4  
Wed 14 Dec, 2022 01:53 pm
@Real Music,
I think she called him an "idiot", too!

Quote:
...developing a bioweapon that wrecked the world...

No, that was Pfizer.
blatham
 
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Wed 14 Dec, 2022 01:59 pm
Free speech absolutist changes his mind again...

Quote:
Twitter Suspends Account That Tracked Elon Musk’s Private Jet
Mr. Musk previously said he wouldn’t suspend the @ElonJet account
WSJ

Actually, I find this completely understandable as a security matter. I suspect most Jewish and transgender people would as well.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Wed 14 Dec, 2022 02:02 pm
@hightor,
Since an idiot is "a person with esp. profound mental retardation", it would be interesting to know, if one of the world's most frequently cited scientists across all scientific journals has mild, moderate, severe, or profound levels of retardation.
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