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Rising fascism in the US

 
 
blatham
 
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Wed 14 Dec, 2022 02:04 pm
@Walter Hinteler,

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Re: blatham (Post 7288870)
blatham wrote:
Lash has Newsmax and the Washington Times to back up her, um, opinions. And these are two news sources long loved and respected by progressive scholars around the world.


The well-founded and highly scientific journalism of these quality newspapers actually exceeds my intellect


They're the top of the heap. Consistent excellence in journalism.
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Real Music
 
  3  
Wed 14 Dec, 2022 02:05 pm
@Lash,
1. I believe that you are falsely stating that Fauci (created) the Covid-19 virus.

2. I believe that you are falsely claiming that Fauci's recommendations are the cause of the pandemic.

3. The recommendations I am referring to includes:
Encouraging the public to get covid vaccinations, wearing face coverings, social distances, washing hands, and so on.

4. These are the recommendations that you falsely claim are the causes for the pandemic.

5. I'm not going to dwell on the subject any further.

4. It's just for clarification and understanding.
blatham
 
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Wed 14 Dec, 2022 02:08 pm
@hightor,
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I think [Lash] called him an "idiot", too!


Shouldn't be a long wait before Fauci and yourself are described as likely pedophiles. I can only hope I'm similarly honored.
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Real Music
 
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Wed 14 Dec, 2022 02:12 pm
@blatham,
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Rhetorical survey question:
When following Lash's writing and observing her behavior here, which of the two individuals below are you more reminded of?

(1) Bernie Sanders

(2) Steve Bannon


(3) Marjorie Taylor Greene
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 14 Dec, 2022 02:13 pm
@blatham,
Flight bots from Bill Gates and Zuckerberg, for example, continue to be active.

But fortunately, you can look for yourself where his plane is:
https://i.imgur.com/jxg31pel.jpg
(Landed 10 hours ago)
blatham
 
  4  
Wed 14 Dec, 2022 02:40 pm
@Real Music,
Good addition to our choices.
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blatham
 
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Wed 14 Dec, 2022 02:41 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Yes. Even if he bans this fellow from Twitter, that in itself has little value.
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Lash
 
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Wed 14 Dec, 2022 02:44 pm
@Real Music,
You are obviously suppressing his direction to dance naked chanting.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Wed 14 Dec, 2022 03:40 pm
@Lash,
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I’m getting the impression you people never once read or thought critically about this.


Interesting enough, I know this is true about you. I read NY Post and listen to Newsmax (an ironic use of "news", even more so than 'Fox News'), but I'd never take them for a source of real or truthful "news".
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Wed 14 Dec, 2022 03:47 pm
@Lash,
Regarding Nicholas Wade

“Wuhan lab” theory proponent Nicholas Wade pushed racist pseudo-science in 2014 book
Andre Damon
@Andre__Damon
6 June 2021

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/06/07/wade-j07.html

Over the past month, the New York Times, Washington Post, and Wall Street Journal have all published editorials and op-eds endorsing the “credibility” of the theory that COVID-19 was released from the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China.

The majority of these editorials and op-eds cite the writings of Nicholas Wade, the former New York Times journalist who, in a May 5 article in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, translated what began as a nakedly political hoax into quasi-scientific language.

Wade argued that Shi Zheng-li, China’s leading expert on bat viruses, received funding from the National Institutes of Health, in collaboration with zoologist Peter Daszak, to genetically manipulate bat coronaviruses which he claims could have created SARS-CoV-2 and allowed it to escape into the city of Wuhan.

But none of these articles mention the fact that Wade is a known serial fabricator and a leading advocate of racist pseudo-science, whose 2014 book arguing for a genetic basis for differences in intelligence between races was condemned by the scientists whose research he cited, together with more than 140 other leading human developmental biologists.

Nor do they mention that Wade’s book was hailed by former Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard David Duke—together with other neo-Nazis—as a blow against “Jewish Supremacists.”

Over the past month, Wade’s writings have been cited by the following articles, which used his arguments as the linchpin of their claims that COVID-19 could have been released from the Wuhan Institute of Virology:

• A May 17 editorial by the Washington Post, entitled, “Two possible theories of the pandemic’s origins remain viable. The world needs to know”:

Did some byproduct of the research leak, or did workers become inadvertently infected? Was the research carried out in less protected BSL-2 laboratories instead of the more secure BSL-4? Did Dr. Shi successfully manipulate a virus in the lab to add genetic features boosting affinity for human cells, as science journalist Nicholas Wade has suggested in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists?

• A May 25 “fact checker” article in the Washington Post, headlined, “How the Wuhan lab-leak theory suddenly became credible”:

Former New York Times science reporter Nicholas Wade, writing in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, reviews the evidence and makes a strong case for the lab-leak theory.

• A May 29 op-ed by Ross Douthat in the New York Times, headlined, “Why the Lab Leak Theory Matters”:

This is especially true if there’s any chance that the Covid-19 virus was engineered, in so-called gain of function research, to be more transmissible and lethal—a possibility raised by, among others, a former science writer for this newspaper, Nicholas Wade.

• A May 31 op-ed by Bret Stephens in the New York Times, headlined, “Media Groupthink and the Lab-Leak Theory”:

Was it smart for science reporters to accept the authority of a February 2020 letter, signed by 27 scientists and published in The Lancet, feverishly insisting on the “natural origin” of Covid? Not if those reporters had probed the ties between the letter’s lead author and the Wuhan lab (a fact, as the science writer Nicholas Wade points out in a landmark essay in The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, that has been public knowledge for months).

• A June 3 op-ed by Marc A. Thiessen in the Washington Post, headlined, “The case that the virus emerged from nature, not a lab, is falling apart”:

Nicholas Wade—a science reporter for nearly 50 years at Science, Nature and the New York Times—points out in his exhaustive report for the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists that during the SARS1 epidemic, the intermediate host (civet cats bred for human consumption) was identified in just four months.

• A May 7 op-ed in the Wall Street Journal by James Freeman, headlined, “China, Fauci and the Origins of Covid”:

In an exhaustive account of the viral possibilities published this week by the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, Nicholas Wade argues that the Chinese lab is the most likely source of the world-wide agony.

On May 6, 2014, Wade published a book titled, A Troublesome Inheritance: Genes, Race and Human History. The book, according to the New York Times review by David Dobbs, says modern genetics shows that “the three major races,” Africans, Caucasians and East Asians, are genetically distinct races that diverge much as subspecies do, and that their genetic differences underlie “the rise of the West.”

The New York Times report notes that Wade tells, “for instance, of specific gene variants that reputedly create less trust and more violence in African-Americans and, he says, explain their resistance to modern economic institutions and practices.”

It goes on to flay Wade’s pseudo-scientific method, declaring, “he does this sort of thing repeatedly: He constantly gathers up long shots, speculations and spurious claims, then declares they add up to substantiate his case … The result is a deeply flawed, deceptive and dangerous book.”

Eric Michael Jonson, writing in Scientific American, made similar criticisms in an essay entitled “On the Origin of White Power,” which provides a devastating critique of Wade’s book:

Nicholas Wade is not a racist. In his new book, A Troublesome Inheritance, the former science writer for the New York Times states this explicitly. “It is not automatically racist to consider racial categories as a possible explanatory factor.” He then explains why white people are better because of their genes.

The article in Scientific American notes passages in Wade’s book such as the following:

From a glance at an Eskimo’s physique, it is easy to recognize an evolutionary process at work that has molded the human form for better survival in an arctic environment. Populations that live at high altitudes, like Tibetans, represent another adaptation to extreme environments; in this case, the changes in blood cell regulation are less visible but have been identified genetically. The adaptation of Jews to capitalism is another such evolutionary process (emphasis added).

For these and other passages, Wade’s book was hailed by leading white supremacists and anti-Semites, including the website of David Duke, who welcomed it as a “fascinating insight into how Jewish Supremacists attempt to guard the gates of scientific debate,” declaring “there is indeed a biological basis to race.”
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vikorr
 
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Wed 14 Dec, 2022 08:48 pm
@Lash,
My previous post was simply in relation to the qualifications one would need to properly investigate origin (if it is at all actually possible to investigate such a thing, rather than take educated guesses)

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However, in relation to your assertion that scientists were silenced:

I remember more that there was a lot of speculation for a long time about the origins of coronavirus being man-made and it was driven by politicians and media and a number for scientitsts. It's also convenient for politicians to have a patsy to blame coming problems on, so it is a narative politicians would be very interested in. This evironment is hardly conducive to 'silencing scientists'.

As it turns out, a quick search shows my memory of this seems to be quite accurate.

Here's a Mar 2021 article stating this theory, but also being careful say it may indicate, rather than it is: https://www.science.org/content/article/further-evidence-offered-claim-genes-pandemic-coronavirus-can-integrate-human-dna
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A team of prominent scientists has doubled down on its controversial hypothesis that genetic bits of the pandemic coronavirus can integrate into our chromosomes and stick around long after the infection is over. If they are right—skeptics have argued that their results are likely lab artifacts—the insertions could explain the rare finding that people can recover from COVID-19 but then test positive for SARS-CoV-2 again months later.


May 2021 Here's scientists arguing for the alternative 'cause':https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-not-human-made-lab-genetic-analysis-nature
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"When Andersen, an infectious disease researcher at the Scripps Research Institute in La Jolla, Calif., first heard about the coronavirus causing an outbreak in China, he wondered where the virus came from. Initially, researchers thought the virus was being spread by repeated infections jumping from animals in a seafood market in Wuhan, China, into humans and then being passed person to person. Analysis from other researchers has since suggested that the virus probably jumped only once from an animal into a person and has been spread human to human since about mid-November (SN: 3/4/20)."


May-2021 https://www.algora.com/Algora_blog/2021/05/30/virologists-say-genetic-fingerprints-prove-covid-19-man-made-no-credible-natural-ancestor
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Two notable virologists claim to have found “unique fingerprints” on COVID-19 samples that only could have arisen from laboratory manipulation, according to an explosive 22-page paper obtained by the Daily Mail. British professor Angus Dalgleish – best known for creating the world’s first ‘HIV vaccine’, and Norwegian virologist Dr. Birger Sørensen – chair of pharmaceutical company, Immunor, who has published 31 peer-reviewed papers and holds several patents, wrote that while analyzing virus samples last year, the pair discovered “unique fingerprints” in the form of “six inserts” created through gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China.

They also conclude that “SARS-Coronavirus-2 has “no credible natural ancestor” and that it is “beyond reasonable doubt” that the virus was created via “laboratory manipulation.”


Here's a June 2021 paper quoting scientists whose opinion was manmade: https://nypost.com/2021/06/06/damning-science-shows-covid-19-likely-engineered-in-lab/
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“Damning” science strongly suggests that COVID-19 is a man-made monster, optimized in a lab for maximum infectivity before hitting the outside to catastrophic effect, two experts said Sunday.

Writing in an opinion piece for the Wall Street Journal, Dr. Steven Quay and Richard Muller pointed to two key pieces of evidence to support the claim, which has increasingly gained steam after long being derided as little more than speculation.


Here's an Aug 2021 article about the change in direction, openly talking about the circumstances under which a group of scientists who believed Covid-19 was man-made came to change their view: https://thebulletin.org/2021/08/how-covid-19s-origins-were-obscured-by-the-east-and-the-west
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This article is written in a manner very favourable to 'conspiracy theorists'. It talks about China's well known reluctance to co-operate with the West, and about Western scientists who were sent to help but mishandled the investigation (as I said, the qualifications needed to do this properly would be immense), and talks about the grounds for the belief it was man-made. Yet if you keep reading into the article, it still goes on to say "Even today, no one can tell if the SARS2 virus emerged naturally or escaped from a lab"

There are many similar articles published in 2020. The above articles are over published more than 1 year after Covid-19 started , and then, over a 6 month period with many scientists involved. Some support your view, some don't. But one thing is certain - scientists made these claims for a long, long time without being 'silenced'.
vikorr
 
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Wed 14 Dec, 2022 08:58 pm
@vikorr,
I still hold the opinion by the way, that:
- 'knowing' the origins may simply not be possible; and
- looking for blame in this matter is an utterly pointless exercise, that achieves zero (other than the ability to point a finger). If it was created in a lab in China, and that is a definite if, they certainly aren't going to bend to any western demands.

Because of this, I can't see any positive outcome out of 'knowing', at all (I don't see fingerpointing that achieves nothing but a growing sense of helplessness and anxiety <in a lot of people> as positive)

I can say one thing though - if I ran China, I wouldn't let any other country into such a lab either. The only way other countries could properly investigate their theories would be to gain access to all of the research there (otherwise there would be claims of them hiding something). It would render all research there as redundant within a few months.
hightor
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2022 04:14 am
@vikorr,
Quote:
- looking for blame in this matter is an utterly pointless exercise, that achieves zero (other than the ability to point a finger). If it was created in a lab in China, and that is a definite if, they certainly aren't going to bend to any western demands.

You're absolutely right here – it's just an exercise in nationalism with a touch of far right racism. People in the West must see this as a way to score imaginary points against the Chinese because, as you point out, it won't achieve anything more than that.
BillW
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2022 05:07 am
@hightor,
The thing that is important to me is that the disease is following the same path and same time sequence as the Influenza epidemic of 1917-1919. It is almost as if the illness kills to many people, it must make itself weaker cause it doesn't do itself or its victims any good it they die off. It keeps changing until it finds the right ratio so it doesn't wipe out all it infects and we come up with yearly shots with the right ingredients to best work against the current illness. It bothers me not that certain low hanging fruit won't take advantage of preventions! Now the bug has just enough victims to keep it happy😂😎🤗
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2022 05:29 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
it's just an exercise in nationalism with a touch of far right racism. People in the West must see this as a way to score imaginary points against the Chinese because, as you point out, it won't achieve anything more than that.
I agree, with the small restriction (more precisely: expansion) that it is more than just "a touch of far right", at least here in Germany.

And besides, these people must either not be able to read scientific writings or have memory problems, because a leap as a zoonosis has long been documented with many other viral pathogens, e.g. also with SARS-CoV-1 in 2003.
hightor
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2022 05:46 am
@Walter Hinteler,
And as all the attention is focused on an alleged "lab leak" in Wuhan, the trade in wild animals continues at wet markets around Southeast Asia, practically guaranteeing another crossover virus.
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hightor
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2022 05:50 am
An Alternate Reality: How Russia’s State TV Spins the Ukraine War

Leaked emails detail how Russia’s biggest state broadcaster, working with the nation’s security services, mined right-wing American news and Chinese media to craft a narrative that Moscow was winning.

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As Russian tanks were stuck in the mud outside Kyiv earlier this year and the economic fallout of war with Ukraine took hold, one part of Russia’s government hummed with precision: television propaganda.

Spinning together a counternarrative for tens of millions of viewers, Russian propagandists plucked clips from American cable news, right-wing social media and Chinese officials. They latched onto claims that Western embargoes of Russian oil would be self-defeating, that the United States was hiding secret bioweapon research labs in Ukraine and that China was a loyal ally against a fragmenting West.

Day by day, state media journalists sharpened those themes in emails. They sometimes broadcast battlefield videos and other information sent to them by the successor agency to the K.G.B. And they excerpted and translated footage from favorite pundits, like the Fox News host Tucker Carlson, whose remarks about the war were shown to millions of Russians.

“Be sure to take Tucker,” one Russian news producer wrote to a colleague. The email referred to a clip in which Mr. Carlson described the power of the Chinese-Russian partnership that had emerged under Mr. Biden — and how American economic policies targeting Russia could undermine the dollar’s status as a world-reserve currency.

The correspondence was one of thousands of email exchanges stored within a leaked database from Russia’s largest state-owned media company, the All-Russia State Television and Radio Company, known as V.G.T.R.K. The data was made publicly available online by DDoSecrets, a group that publishes hacked documents.

The New York Times created a search tool to identify material from the 750 gigabytes of files related to the buildup to the war and its earliest stages from January to March 2022, when the available documents ended. The Times verified the documents by confirming email addresses and people’s identities. In many instances, matters discussed in the emails led to content broadcast on the air.

The emails provide a rare glimpse into a propaganda machine that is perhaps Russia’s greatest wartime success. Even as the country faces battlefield losses, mounting casualties, economic isolation and international condemnation, state-run television channels have spun a version of the war in which Russia is winning, Ukraine is in shambles and Western alliances are fraying. Along with a fierce crackdown on dissent, the propaganda apparatus has helped President Vladimir V. Putin maintain domestic support for a war that many in the West had hoped would weaken his hold on power the longer it dragged on.

To create this narrative, producers at the state media company cherry-picked from conservative Western media outlets like Fox News and the Daily Caller, as well as obscure social media accounts on Telegram and YouTube, according to the records. Russian security agencies like the Federal Security Service, or F.S.B., the successor to the K.G.B., fed other information, creating an alternative version of events such as the bombing of the Ukrainian city of Mariupol.

In other instances, V.G.T.R.K. workers shared clips, sometimes from little-known American media, that appeared to show opposition to the war rising in the West or how sanctions were backfiring against the United States.

How a Local News Clip in the U.S. Became Part of a Russian Broadcast

On March 3, an ABC affiliate in Huntsville, Ala., ran a segment about rising gas prices.

The clip showed how some in the area were pasting stickers on the pump with a photo of President Biden saying, “I did that.” It quoted a local gas station manager, who worried the stickers could cause trouble during corporate inspections.

https://int.nyt.com/data/videotape/finished/2022/12/1670971538/gas_full_context_english-640w.jpg

Two days later, the broadcast was featured in an email roundup of video clips from across the United States sent to V.G.T.R.K. journalists.

The clip had picked up a modest 30,000 views on YouTube. It noted the sticker protest, which had appeared elsewhere in the United States, had “gained a second wind” as prices rose over the conflict in Ukraine.

https://static01.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2022-12-09-russia/09ac0313d9e713b4db6ccfb44f326749bc1df678/_assets/redacted_email.png

That same day, the clip appeared dubbed into Russian on Russian national news.

The segment covered the ways discontent over inflation was rising in the United States. The reporter concludes: “Because of Ukraine, Biden can’t or doesn’t want to focus on domestic issues in the U.S.”

https://int.nyt.com/data/videotape/finished/2022/12/1670863617/stickers_russian-640w.jpg

Other material showed an organization grappling with Russia’s growing isolation. V.G.T.R.K. employees tracked how their broadcasts were received overseas and talked about how to react when their channels were being blocked in neighboring European countries. They even discussed a response to Russia being dropped from the popular Eurovision singing competition, a major television event.

China was used to bolster Russian story lines, according to the records, with producers pulling from Chinese media for potential story ideas. In another instance, they discussed currying favor with a top Chinese propaganda official.

V.G.T.R.K. did not respond to requests for comment. A Fox News spokeswoman didn’t provide a comment.

V.G.T.R.K. has roughly 3,500 employees and operates some of the country’s most-watched channels, including Russia 1 and Russia 24, as well as a robust online operation. With national and regional networks, it reaches nearly the entire Russian population, from urban hubs to rural areas, and its dominance has grown as the government has restricted access to social media and independent news. The company receives about $500 million a year from the Russian government, analysts estimated.

“Besides the political machine of what the Kremlin operates directly, V.G.T.R.K. is the second-most important part of propaganda in Russia,” said Vasily Gatov, a Russian media researcher at the University of Southern California’s Annenberg Center on Communication Leadership and Policy.

The company, created in 1990 and now run by the Kremlin ally Oleg Dobrodeyev, sets the news agenda and shapes public opinion, Mr. Gatov said. About two-thirds of Russians count television as their main source of news, according to a recent survey. And V.G.T.R.K.’s influence extends to other media outlets, with its former Kremlin correspondent, Margarita Simonyan, now the top editor of RT, Russia’s English-language news channel.

Collaboration between the Kremlin and state broadcasters dates back more than two decades, said Mr. Gatov, a former Russian journalist and an expert on state propaganda. Each day, the Kremlin provides a list of talking points for broadcasters. The closely guarded document, known as the “temnik,” is delivered to senior officials at V.G.T.R.K. and other organizations, outlining issues the Kremlin wants covered, positively or negatively, along with views to endorse and people to criticize, said Mr. Gatov, who has seen copies.

The Kremlin’s tight control of the media has increased since the invasion of Ukraine, but people’s trust in what they are watching is falling the longer the war goes on and its violent realities become harder to hide, said Vera Tolz, a professor at the University of Manchester who has studied Russian media for the British Parliament and European Union. “There are cracks,” she said.

In the early days of the war, what was not explicitly outlined in Kremlin orders was left to television producers to fill in.

The United States was a frequent target, according to the documents. Each day, emails circulated with long lists of news clips and viral posts that served as a palette to paint a darkening picture of the United States.

In early February, weeks before the invasion of Ukraine, producers flagged a clip of President Biden declining to answer questions about sending troops to Poland, bolstering the idea that America was eager for a fight. A New York Times story about Ukraine’s aggressive information war against Russia was also recast as evidence of the country’s dishonesty. Another, pulled from Britain’s Daily Mail, showed Mr. Biden picking his teeth.

As the war dragged on, producers sought clips about the fallout in the United States. One came from a local news program in northern Alabama about stickers being placed on gas pumps that showed Mr. Biden saying, “I did that.” Another video, showing a U.S. grocery store emptied of food, came from a viral Telegram post. It seemed to inspire a broadcast soon after titled, “Oil shock and empty shelves: Trump’s grim prophecy is coming true.”

In March, Denis Davydov, a V.G.T.R.K. reporter in Washington, flagged a seven-year-old YouTube post, gaining newfound popularity, that claimed that the United States and NATO had fueled Russia’s hostility toward Ukraine.

“The Western viewer is looking for alternative information,” Mr. Davydov wrote in an email. (He did not respond to a request for comment.)

As Russia became isolated, China’s importance grew. V.G.T.R.K. reporters reworked reports from Chinese state media, conveying the image of a powerful country at Russia’s side whose people backed a just war in Ukraine. One email that led to a broadcast identified a refrain said to be circulating on the Chinese internet: “By buying a Russian candy, you can turn it into a bullet against Nazism.”

When the birthday of Shen Haixiong, a top Chinese propagandist, was coming up, V.G.T.R.K. leaders planned to ensure that a gift — an album containing reproductions of masterpieces by Russian artists — would get through China’s lengthy Covid quarantine in time, according to one email.

V.G.T.R.K. used Chinese officials and state media to build support for a conspiracy theory that the United States maintained secret labs to build biological weapons in Ukraine. In March, producers broke down footage from Zhao Lijian, a spokesman for China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, saying the U.S. research was “aimed at creating a mechanism for the covert spread of deadly pathogens.”

To add an American voice to the biolab claims, producers discussed and then aired remarks by Roger Stone, a former Trump adviser, from the far-right television channel Real America’s Voice.

Fox News and other conservative outlets were fixtures of internal news roundups, scripts and broadcasts. Producers circulated a clip of a Fox News commentator discussing Russia’s “sanction-proof” economy and a Breitbart article about the effect on oil prices.

Mr. Carlson’s broadcasts were passed around V.G.T.R.K., according to emails.

“Anything less than hating Putin is treason.”

In one clip from early February, the Fox News host attributed American distrust for Russia to partisan anger about former President Trump.

https://int.nyt.com/data/videotape/finished/2022/12/1670863617/tucker_standalone-640w.jpg

V.G.T.R.K. watched how it was perceived abroad.

Reports tracked the foreign media coverage of a leading V.G.T.R.K. presenter, Dmitri Kiselyov, noting pickups by global newspapers and categorizing them as positive, negative or neutral. Mr. Kiselyov is a firebrand known for inflammatory statements — in May, he threatened Britain with nuclear annihilation — and his negative press mentions jumped in 2022, according to the reports. Outlets in Germany, Nigeria and Canada all had critical things to say. One quote, marked red for negative from the German magazine Stern, described the state of Russian television under “propagandists” like Mr. Kiselyov: “A poisonous mixture of lies, hatred and absurdity.”

Emails showed close ties between state media and Russia’s security apparatus, which provided information that was quickly put on the air that gave a rosy picture of a war that was in reality deteriorating.

On Feb. 24, the day of the invasion, the F.S.B. sent emails to state media calling them “colleagues” and claiming that Ukrainian soldiers were abandoning their posts. Another message noted a supposed attack by Ukraine on a civilian cargo ship.

In March, the F.S.B. sent dossiers about two Ukrainian officers killed in combat, making unverifiable claims that they had killed civilians and were terrorists. In the email, the security service said not to attribute the information to the F.S.B., orders that were followed in the ensuing broadcast.

State media took cues from the F.S.B. and the Ministry of Defense about how to cover events that drew international outrage, according to the documents. After the March bombing of a theater in Mariupol, where civilians were believed to be seeking cover, the military sent an email to V.G.T.R.K. and other state media with the subject “Important!” It provided a video of a woman who said members of a Ukrainian nationalist group had blown up the theater, not the Russian military.

“Please use in stories,” the note said.

nyt


blatham
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2022 07:21 am
@hightor,
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@vikorr,
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- looking for blame in this matter is an utterly pointless exercise, that achieves zero (other than the ability to point a finger). If it was created in a lab in China, and that is a definite if, they certainly aren't going to bend to any western demands.


You're absolutely right here – it's just an exercise in nationalism with a touch of far right racism. People in the West must see this as a way to score imaginary points against the Chinese because, as you point out, it won't achieve anything more than that.


@vikorr
Those are two very good posts. Thank you.

But as regards the "why point fingers" at China both of you are addressing, I think it is very important to make argument or observation here that Trump and those in support of him understood that the pandemic posed an inevitable political danger for him and party and that they clearly saw utility in distracting attention away from the ballooning death tolls. Recall, for example, the cruise ship that Trump would not allow to dock in San Francisco so that the infection numbers "don't double" which would make him look bad. Likewise, the many instances from early on where right wing voices were claiming that the virus was a nothing burger or a scam and that the growing press attention and coverage was merely another example of "liberal media" out to do damage to Trump/Republicans/conservatives.

As hightor points out, racism too was in the mix as regards where the fingers were/are pointing alongside (I'd add) the evergreen fear-mongering re commies. Again, there was and still is utility in using that element as a means of distracting attention from the pandemic and the (inevitable) impotence of Trump in the face of a pandemic. Of course that was true for all national leaders but given the innate and hyper authoritarianism of Trump and American conservatism, the worst association for him and their leader is an appearance of impotence. He could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue but he cannot be seen as impotent. Much of this was clearly evident from the beginning and that surely accounts for some of the resistance against the lab leak story pushed by those who were motivated by political rather than scientific considerations.

I'd also make the related observation/argument that modern conservatism in the US is profoundly influenced by religious notions, particularly southern Evangelical notions, and one of these notions is that God's pristine natural world is tarnished only by intentional evil. When bad things emerge in the world, the broad tendency is to conceive that there is agency behind it. Blame must be identified, or more accurately, allocated. It cannot be the case that God fucked up in his design and plans. There must be another or other intentions at work. These are broad cultural phenomena in US society but are, I think, entirely relevant.

Lastly, the right wing suggestions that there have been cover ups, secret plots and alliances of convenience between scientists worldwide, pharmaceutical companies, many national government health agencies and international bodies concerned with health and pandemic issues is a notable dynamic in this story. This is what Lash's posts are directed towards. And this, obviously, is tied up in the growing sentiments of anti-institutionalism we see coming mainly, though not exclusively, from the far right in the US and elsewhere.

None of this is to contradict anything you two and others have been arguing. I just thought I'd do some finger pointing of a different sort.
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Thu 15 Dec, 2022 07:49 am
@hightor,
I may have mentioned this earlier but over the last 6 months or so I have been following posts on the Facebook page of a large Canadian news agency (Global TV). What I've found is an avalanche of right wing posts on any Ukraine/Russia news item voicing pro-Russian and anti-Ukraine propaganda. Many of these are clearly bots but many others from within Canada or from outside demonstrate how effective Russian online propaganda is now. Most of the victims are poorly educated though they clearly think the opposite is the case. It's been sobering and I'd be naive to not be concerned.
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Thu 15 Dec, 2022 07:56 am
From Josh's comments on the Talking Points Memo's must-read series on Jan 6 related emails

Quote:
Strongman Envy
by Josh Marshall

One of the most bracing, bizarre aspects of Mark Meadows texts with members of Congress is the fact that many truly seemed to believe the most absurd claims and conspiracy theories. This wasn’t just red meat they were tossing out on Fox and Newsmax. They were saying this stuff, in earnest, in the privacy of text messages with longtime colleagues. But even this, I would say, isn’t the heart of the matter. There’s something else we see in the very first texts, before the TV networks called the race but when the writing was clearly on the wall. It can most easily be summarized as: Trump can’t be allowed to lose. On Nov. 6, 2020, Rep. Brian Babin tells Meadows that they “refuse to live under a corrupt Marxist dictatorship.”

There are various comments like this. Trump has simply been too good a President. And we can’t let him not be President. If we lost, we have to figure out a way to un-lose, and fast. Or there’s Rep. Rick Allen’s comment that the nation is in a state of “Spiritual War at the highest level.” It’s all of a piece. The impulse precedes the evidence.

Not all of these characters are members of the House Freedom Caucus. But most are. (In one telling detail, Babin was a member of the HFC but resigned because it proved insufficiently loyal to Donald Trump.) Meadows himself was one of the group’s founders. Ron DeSantis was another member during his three terms in Congress. Someone recently remarked to me that the Freedom Caucus is libertarian in opposition and authoritarian in power — which is a good way to put it but also simply another way of describing authoritarians. Authoritarians don’t have any generalized belief in untrammeled expressions of power. They believe in the untrammeled expression of their own power.

And that makes the simple point. The people in the Freedom Caucus have always been a dangerous group of authoritarian radicals. The one member who was a genuine libertarian, Justin Amash, was quickly purged from the group and booted out of Congress once Trump’s presidency brought out the group’s true nature. People are allowed to have such views. People can even elect them to Congress. But they must be seen in that light, like any other radicals awash in unAmerican ideas. Their model has always been Erdogan, Putin and similar global strongmen.
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