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Rising fascism in the US

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2022 06:01 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
There should be an investigation about every aspect of the pandemic.

Transparency increases trust.
Secretiveness and censorship causes distrust and anger.
The Spanish flu spread in the years 1918 to 1920 and claimed a total of around 50 million lives. Some estimates even put the death toll at up to 100 million.
It is considered the "mother of all pandemics".

Despite its name, it did not originate in Spain, but in the USA, most probably in Kansas.

Why hasn't any aspect of it been investigated during the last hundred years?
hightor
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2022 06:09 am
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If you haven’t read Bari Weiss’ TwitterFiles5 about Twitter’s process of banning Trump, you don’t have the information necessary to form a meaningful opinion.

And why is the Murdoch media the preferred platform for this non-story? I've read the account by Chamberlain and Propper and I fail to find any connection to fascism. It describes efforts to suspend Trump's account and, given his prominence and toxicity, I can understand why they wouldn't want their platform used as his message board. He and his supporters had many other ways to promote their lies and did so quite effectively.
hightor
 
  3  
Tue 13 Dec, 2022 06:51 am
@hightor,
I heard someone on NPR describe it as, "Musk using Twitter to get other people to talk about Twitter on Twitter."
izzythepush
 
  4  
Tue 13 Dec, 2022 07:16 am
Trump is too heavily invested in "truth social."

People have put money in because Trump is exclusive.

If he starts posting on Twitter he will find himself in court yet again.

And not by ripped off tradespeople, but by rich investors who can afford better lawyers.
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blatham
 
  1  
Tue 13 Dec, 2022 11:09 am
@hightor,
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I heard someone on NPR describe it as, "Musk using Twitter to get other people to talk about Twitter on Twitter."

Yes. It may be that one of Musk's strategies is to do something similar to what Murdoch has done with FOX. That is, to corral a broad segment of the population within his operation and to then produce income from that significant number of users. Since takeover his tweets have increasingly become troll posts which seem designed to "trigger the libs" in a highly public manner and he's smart enough to know that there's nothing the rightwing crowd love more than that.

Would we be much surprised if he started to hint at a presidential run? On paper he looks like an ideal candidate (ideal in many ways we'd consider the opposite of ideal in a democracy) but though he appears to have the untutored arrogance to imagine himself a world-conquering visionary (Caesar with a half million satellites) I really doubt he'd want the life.

PS... I find it rather perfect that Musk's ex-wife played a humanoid robot on Westworld

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hightor
 
  3  
Tue 13 Dec, 2022 11:14 am
@blatham,
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On paper he looks like an ideal candidate...

As Elon was born in South Africa and neither of his parents are US citizens he is, I say with much sorrow, unable to seek the office of president.
blatham
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2022 11:33 am
@hightor,
Well, you have me there.
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blatham
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2022 11:40 am
Talking Points Memo has a great series of pieces (on-going) related to the coup attempt as revealed by text messages of key players.

Quote:
A Plot To Overturn An American Election
TPM Has Obtained Explosive Evidence Uncovered By The January 6 Select Committee

The messages you are about to read are the definitive, real-time record of a plot to overturn an American election...
The first in the series is here
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Lash
 
  -2  
Tue 13 Dec, 2022 02:03 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Couldn’t say. That was 100 years ago.
This pandemic however happened during my lifetime, and I want an investigation.
thack45
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2022 02:49 pm
@Lash,
We can't just have an investigation. We must find people that can be trusted to do it first. So, who can we trust?
hightor
 
  4  
Tue 13 Dec, 2022 02:50 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
This pandemic however happened during my lifetime, and I want an investigation.

Why? What makes you think you'd accept the results?

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We can now announce our findings. The Covid 19 virus was synthesized in a lab in Wuhan, China in the fall of 2019. Several workers in the lab contracted the disease and by the time the medical doctors realized it wasn't just seasonal flu it had already begun to spread. Dr. Fauci (now in hiding) who bankrolled the experiment, was contacted. He told them to keep a lid on it so he'd have enough time to destroy some incriminating documents.

Meanwhile big pharma extorted money from the US treasury by lying to Pres. Trump and saying they could formulate an experimental vaccine even while covering up the existence of several effective medicines already in the CDC formulary, hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin. Jackbooted federal agents were authorized to silence any doctors who didn't sign on to use of the experimental vaccine or recommended the effective alternatives. The government coerced the big social media platforms to censor content and ban users, clearly violating the US Constitution.

As the virus spread in the US, brave actions by Pres. Trump and his MAGA movement helped significant numbers of patriotic citizens to resist the efforts of the public health fascists, rejecting social distancing and vaccination and encouraging people to meet and pray in houses of worship. At the same time, big pharma was working desperately to keep the truth about the experimental killer vaccines from the public. Fortunately, courageous journalists like Alex Jones and Joe Rogan helped get the truth out to the public along with highly admired political figures like Rand Paul.

When the plandemic coverup began to unravel, the Proud Boys were enlisted to begin ripping off the masks of anyone caught wearing one in public. The national fever began to break, the death count was found to be highly inflated, and the Democrat Party was outlawed, as had been called for by someone on a message board. The CDC was abolished and henceforth people were allowed to seek out and consume medical treatment of their own choosing. The alleged disease was nothing more than the "little flu" as described by the widely respected Jair Bolsonaro.

The House Committee to Investigate the Fauci Flu
Rep. Jim Jordan, Chairman
blatham
 
  1  
Tue 13 Dec, 2022 07:14 pm
@hightor,
Jesus Keywriste. I'd never read Jordan's statement before. Every sentence is extraordinarily vile. Just one example...
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When the plandemic coverup began to unravel, the Proud Boys were enlisted to begin ripping off the masks of anyone caught wearing one in public.
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blatham
 
  1  
Tue 13 Dec, 2022 07:45 pm
DeSantis:
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"Today, I'm announcing a petition with the Supreme Court of Florida to empanel a statewide grand jury to investigate any and all wrongdoing in Florida with respect to covid-19 vaccines."

"Our CDC, at this point, anything they put out, you just assume, at this point, that it's not worth the paper it's printed on ... we're creating what we're calling the Public Health Integrity Committee."


He'd make a great President, wouldn't he. Perhaps he'll choose Lash as running mate.


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Lash
 
  -2  
Tue 13 Dec, 2022 08:10 pm
@thack45,
That is an issue. It looks like mainstream media is already paid for. Then, who among independent media is honest and professional. It’s a conundrum.

But I won’t listen to corrupt mercenary shites because they’re the most prolific. I just won’t.

vikorr
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2022 11:12 pm
@Lash,
Do you honestly believe anyone in media would be qualified to tell truth from lies? How are they going to have any clue what is true and what is not? Look at a document? How do they know if the document is legit or just a fabrication?

As far as I can tell, the only qualified persons would be:
- a virologist
- with forensic qualifications
- specialising in tracing mutations
- who was also a trained investigator
- who had the authority to investigate

- and the permissions & access to investigate

And presumably anyone that specialised would already be paid for, if you believe in that sort of thing.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 14 Dec, 2022 05:41 am
Musk has become so popular in QAnon circles that many regard him, not Trump, as the savior-like figure they’ve been waiting for.

QAnon is finding new life in Elon Musk’s conspiracy theories
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Twitter owner Elon Musk’s boosting of far-right memes and grievances has injected new energy into the jumbled set of conspiracy theories known as QAnon, a fringe movement that Twitter and other social networks once banned as too extreme.


The billionaire has spread bogus theories about the violent attack on House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband to his 120 million followers, and he called for the criminal prosecution of infectious-disease expert Anthony S. Fauci. He has thrown around baseless accusations about adults sexualizing children, helping stir up an angry online mob against Yoel Roth, a former Twitter safety executive Musk praised in October for his “high integrity.”

And on Tuesday, he tweeted a message with an emoji that many people interpreted as saying “follow the white rabbit,” possibly harking back to “Alice in Wonderland” or “The Matrix.” But many QAnon believers saw the rabbit as a wink to one of their foundational icons, a secret indicator shared in one of QAnon’s earliest online prophesies, known as “drops.”

Musk mocked the suggestion that the tweet could be interpreted negatively but offered no clarification. Among QAnon promoters, though, the message was clear: Musk was speaking to them.

One QAnon-amplifying account on Telegram with 118,000 followers, known for spreading a bogus claim that Russian fighters were targeting “U.S. biolabs” in Ukraine, said the tweet was only his latest flirtation with QAnon ideology.

“Elon called out Fauci for creating [covid-19], [is] calling out the woke hive mind, is paving the path for 2020 to be nullified and Trump reinstated … and now he’s directly quoting Q,” the account said. “Elon is an Anon,” the account added, using the term QAnon disciples call themselves.

Logan Strain, a conspiracy theory researcher who uses the name Travis View on the podcast “QAnon Anonymous,” said Musk’s “conspiracist dog whistles” have galvanized a group that was fractured after 2020, when major social networks including Twitter started banning QAnon accounts and Trump lost the White House.

“He’s responding to and validating a rogues’ gallery of right-wing conspiracists … [and] going through a checklist of far-right grievances in a way that has certainly energized them,” Strain said. For QAnon believers, “what they view as the major battlefield in the information warfare just opened up again.”

QAnon devotees had spent years arguing that Trump was winning a secret holy war against a global Satanist cabal that would culminate in the mass executions of top Democrats and other “deep state” elites. Online, they dissected thousands of cryptic prophesies from someone known as Q who called themselves a top-secret government operative but was quite possibly just an administrator of the fringe message board 8kun.

Musk has never explicitly supported QAnon, and some of his closest allies say they doubt he believes some of the wilder things he says online. One person in Musk’s inner circle, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss Musk’s views, said he uses the claims merely to win the internet’s most prized currency: attention. “He wants to muck it up,” the person said.

But in QAnon circles, Musk’s ambiguity and plausible deniability have been seen as a strategic way for him to subtly push their dogma into the mainstream. A QAnon-boosting account with 165,000 followers on Truth Social, Trump’s social network, wrote Monday, “At this rate, Elon is on pace to start posting Q drops to millions of normies and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop him.”

Asked for his thoughts about QAnon, Musk responded in an email: “lol.”

Twitter has for years been one of QAnon’s most significant online spaces — an influential battlefield on which Q wanted “digital soldiers” to fight an information war. Before Twitter banned the conspiracy movement, QAnon believers used it not only to spin theories about Q’s secret influence on world events, but also to recruit acolytes to the cause.

Since launching his $44 billion takeover of the company, Musk has become so popular in QAnon circles that some regard him, not Trump, as the savior-like figure they had been waiting on to usher in “the Storm,” a quasi-biblical moment in which the cabal that runs the American government, media, technology industry and education system would be vanquished through public executions.

In 2017, Q had written that the brutal reckoning would be announced first on Twitter by someone saying, “My fellow Americans, the Storm is upon us.” “Q doesn’t ever say it’s going to be from POTUS [Trump],” one poster in a QAnon group wrote on Telegram, alluding to Musk. “Q said ‘Look to Twitter’. Oh happy day.”

Musk was once portrayed as a hero of the American left, an environmentally focused innovator who vowed to use science and engineering to take on Big Oil and save the world through ambitious ventures such as SpaceX’s reusable rockets and Tesla’s electric cars.

But in the years since, Musk has become one of the internet’s most prominent trolls, needling his enemies with extreme messages and off-color memes that often dovetail with far-right messaging.

Musk, who has said he is “neither conventionally right nor left,” has chatted and joked on Twitter with prominent right-wing influencers and commentators, sometimes expressing outrage about how they have been treated by the “woke mob.” Musk has said the “woke mind virus” — a vague term generally referring to liberal advocacy, social justice and political correctness — is “pushing civilization towards suicide” so that “humanity will never [reach] Mars.”

He has also echoed far-right causes, including saying Fauci should face criminal punishment for lying to Congress and funding infectious-disease research “that killed millions of people.” Musk’s claims lack real evidence, and the White House has said Musk’s attacks are “divorced from reality.” (“My pronouns are Prosecute/Fauci,” Musk tweeted Sunday in a jab at transgender identity, which he has also criticized.)

After QAnon was banned on Twitter, its supporters flocked to the messaging service Telegram and to smaller right-wing platforms such as Truth Social, where they could discuss bogus theories about mind-controlling coronavirus vaccines and communist election-fraud algorithms without worrying about content-moderation rules.

Since Musk’s takeover, though, he has pushed Twitter to reinstate previously banned accounts under a policy of “general amnesty.” The site has already brought back Trump and a scattered crew of QAnon proponents, misogynists, white nationalists and other far-right provocateurs.

Online influencers who use QAnon to make money from their followers are eager to use Musk to fill a power vacuum in the far right, said Marc-André Argentino, an extremism researcher at Concordia University. Trump’s political clout has struggled, and Q, who disappeared for 18 months after Trump supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, has posted only sporadically ever since.

Musk does not perfectly fit the QAnon mold. He tweeted Tuesday that he is “generally pro-FBI,” and he said last month he would not reinstate the Twitter account of Alex Jones, a conspiracy theorist ordered to pay more than $1 billion in damages to the families of the Sandy Hook school shooting, which Jones had called a hoax.

But like Q, he has often framed current events as titanic spectacles of apocalyptic grandeur. Musk on Monday agreed that the world is facing a “mass awakening event or total collapse of society,” and he tweeted that buying Twitter is a way to combat the “woke mind virus,” which must be “defeated or nothing else matters.”

QAnon proponents have widely celebrated Musk’s impact at Twitter, including the “Twitter Files” cache showing how company officials made content-moderation decisions and Musk’s sudden dissolution on Monday of Twitter’s Trust and Safety Council, which civil rights experts had contributed to since 2016.

Musk said the council’s advisers deserved “shame” for being complicit while “children were being trafficked.” He also singled out former Twitter workers for condemnation, including Roth, who fled his home this week after facing violent threats.

Musk’s erratic behavior has sent some advertisers scrambling for the exits, and Tesla’s stock price has plunged nearly 50 percent this year, costing Musk his title as the world’s richest person.

But he has gained in other ways. On Twitter, he is now picking up an average of 200,000 followers every day.


blatham
 
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Wed 14 Dec, 2022 09:02 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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On Twitter, he is now picking up an average of 200,000 followers every day.

Again, I'll suggest that the example of Rupert Murdoch is not lost on Musk. Right wing media (from talk radio on up) has slowly built a dedicated audience who are more than willing to part with their money through the many devices this system has evolved. There are billions to be made. Murdoch is the epitome of how this works but now he's just one of many, many such operations. But he's probably the best example in that Murdoch has used his influence in the political sphere to enhance his money-making opportunities beyond the paper or the network itself.

Musk tried to get out of this very expensive deal but wasn't able to. He is paying big money to finance the deal and Tesla's value has been halved. He's stripping twitter of staff and property costs and he's crashing from pillar to post administratively in what seems something like a state of emotional/financial panic. Maybe this all seems like a quick, simple way to solve his problems and while feeding a galaxy-spanning ego at the same time?

blatham
 
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Wed 14 Dec, 2022 09:19 am
@vikorr,
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Re: Lash (Post 7288692)
Do you honestly believe anyone in media would be qualified to tell truth from lies?

Where an individual has fixed ideas or a singular desired conclusion, the only valid conclusion of any investigation by any party will be one that supports the fixed idea or desired conclusion. Where that investigating party finds otherwise, then that party becomes axiomatically unqualified.
Lash
 
  -2  
Wed 14 Dec, 2022 09:27 am
@vikorr,
There were virologists who spoke up early in the pandemic and were then silenced. Now that the lid has been blown off government agencies and the DNC censoring the public, those virologists who are still living are speaking out again.

Also, back in the day, there was a job called ‘investigative journalists.’ Of course for them to be credible, they have to care more about their integrity than threats, attacks from the Dem/government controlled media, or the money they’d be offered to stfu about certain topics.

But if your point is: who can you trust? Your point is well taken.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Wed 14 Dec, 2022 09:31 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
Musk tried to get out of this very expensive deal but wasn't able to. He is paying big money to finance the deal and Tesla's value has been halved. He's stripping twitter of staff and property costs and he's crashing from pillar to post administratively in what seems something like a state of emotional/financial panic. Maybe this all seems like a quick, simple way to solve his problems and while feeding a galaxy-spanning ego at the same time?
According to a recent survey, Musk is destroying Tesla's reputation in Germany.

Germans have a devastating image of Tesla. Whether in terms of sympathy or quality, the American electric car pioneer ranks far behind VW, BMW, Opel and others - just under nine months after Tesla opened the Gigafactory in Grünheide.

47 percent of the car enthusiasts surveyed said Musk's current behaviour had "definitely negatively" influenced their opinion of Tesla. Another 16 percent called their reaction "rather negative", while only three percent were "rather positively" impressed and six percent "definitely positively".
The survey was conducted between 1 and 9 December, before the latest escalation. (Civey surveys for SPIEGEL among people who deal with topics related to the automotive industry; survey period: 1 Nov. to 9 Dec. 2022 sample size: 2501 respondents.)
Unlike in the US, where Tesla seems to be replacing at least some of its renegade fans with new friends among Donald Trump's Republicans, there is no balancing factor at work here. The majority rejection cuts across all age, occupational and educational groups, and is independent of gender, regional origin, marital status, educational attainment, religious affiliation and political views.

 

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