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Rising fascism in the US

 
 
neptuneblue
 
  4  
Sun 27 Nov, 2022 12:11 am
@Brandon9000,
Are you actually serious?? There's tons of documentation.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-downplaying-virus-mocked-wearing-masks-months/story?id=73392694


Trump, downplaying virus, has mocked wearing masks for months
He wore one as he headed to the hospital Friday afternoon.

ByLibby Cathey
October 2, 2020, 8:52 PM

The president has spoken out about mask-wearing multiple times during the coronavirus pandemic.

Throughout the pandemic, President Donald Trump has disregarded the warnings of his own health experts and, saying he knew better, defied the science -- from holding campaign mega-rallies to touting an unproven drug, even suggesting injecting bleach as a treatment.

He has especially mocked wearing masks, continuing to do so despite promising he would -- and against the advice of public health officials that everyone should wear them to save thousands of lives.

Just this week, on a national debate stage with 73 million viewers tuned in, he attacked Democratic nominee Joe Biden for wearing one.

"I don't wear masks like him. Every time you see him, he's got a mask. He could be speaking 200 feet away from it, and he shows up with the biggest mask I've seen," Trump said, bragging about the large crowds of supporters at his outdoor rallies, many not wearing masks.
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As far back on April 3, when the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention first recommended Americans wear face coverings in public, changing earlier guidance that it wasn't necessary, it was Trump who made the announcement at a task force briefing -- but he stressed the practice was "voluntary" and that "you do not have to do it."

Ever since, Trump has resisted wearing one.

"I just don't want to be doing -- somehow sitting in the Oval Office, behind that beautiful, Resolute Desk, the great Resolute Desk, I think wearing a face mask -- as I greet presidents, prime ministers, dictators, kings, queens, I don't know, it somehow, I don't see it for myself," Trump said.

In late May, as the death toll from COVID-19 neared 100,000 and the White House coronavirus task force meetings with experts dwindled down, Trump said he wore a mask behind closed doors on a visit to a Ford plant in Detroit but he "didn't want to give the press the pleasure of seeing it."
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It took him more than two months to don one in public, following the CDC's recommendation, when he visited wounded service members at the Walter Reed National Military Medical Center in Maryland.

"When you are in a hospital, especially in that particular setting when you are talking to a lot of soldiers, people that in some cases just got off the operating table, I think it's a great thing to wear a mask," Trump said in July, calling it "patriotic."

Trump faced questions about risks to his own health as the pandemic spread across America, but maintained a lack of concern that he could contract the virus.

Asked in an interview with Maria Bartiromo on Fox Business in May about the possibility that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi could assume the presidency if Trump and Vice President Mike Pence were to fall ill, the president scoffed at the idea.

"We'll keep our vice president very healthy and I'll stay healthy," he said. "Never going to happen."

In August, talking about masks, he said, "Maybe they’re great, and maybe they’re just good. Maybe they’re not so good.”

In a White House briefing just last month, Trump was asked why he doesn't wear a mask to set an example, instead of encouraging supporters who view rules requiring masks as a violation of personal freedom.

Once again, he mocked Biden.

"Well, I'm tested, and I'm sometimes surprised when I see somebody sitting and -- like, with Joe. Joe feels very safe in a mask. I don't know, maybe he doesn't want to expose his face," Trump said on Sept. 16. "There's no reason for him to have masks on."

"We get tested -- I'm tested. I have people tested. When people come into the Oval Office, it's like a big deal. No matter who they are -- if they're heads of countries, they all get tested. So I'm in sort of a different position. And maybe if I wasn't in that position, I'd be wearing it more," he continued.

ABC News Contributor John Cohen said it's essential in a public health crisis to set an example.

"The president, by his own admission, downplayed the severity of the pandemic. From the start he sent mixed messages on the wearing of masks and other protective measures recommended by his own public health experts," said Cohen, a former acting undersecretary for intelligence at the Department of Homeland Security. "He, his staff and his campaign ignored CDC guidance and that high-risk behavior not only confused Americans -- placing our communities at greater risk -- but it also made the White House a more dangerous place to work and visit."

In September, a frustrated Trump asked a White House reporter to remove as mask while asking a question: "If you don't take it off, you're very muffled."

Despite the president and his close adviser Hope Hicks getting sick, a White House spokesman said Friday afternoon that mask wearing still will not be required at the White House, where many had gone without them for months.

It will instead remain a personal choice, the spokesman said.

But as staffers gathered on the South Lawn to watch their boss leave for Walter Reed Friday afternoon, most, if not all, were wearing masks.

And so was the president, one with a presidential seal.
Lash
 
  -3  
Sun 27 Nov, 2022 02:55 am
@Real Music,
Real Music wrote:

Quote:
Considering his very likely role in the creation and proliferation of the initial virus, I’m comfortable saying he should be in prison.

He profited from Covid.


Are you spreading disinformation?

No, FAUCI is guilty of spreading disinformation.
Lash
 
  -3  
Sun 27 Nov, 2022 02:59 am
@Real Music,
Real Music wrote:

1. Your (entire) last post sounds like something that Marjorie Taylor Greene herself would have posted.

2. Let me reiterate, I am referring to your whole entire last post.

3. Every word and every sentence of your last post.

The facts are in now. Fauci was wrong about most everything initially. I realize it’s difficult to process new information that conflicts with the heavy dose of propaganda we were fed during the height of Covid, but thankfully, people began to resist the mindless drumbeat and ask questions.

You should too.
Lash
 
  -3  
Sun 27 Nov, 2022 03:01 am
@neptuneblue,
Hilarious.

The science advisor is wrong, so blame Trump.
Trump Derangement Syndrome can be fatal, you know.

Trump bears his own responsibilities, but Fauci’s errors are not among them.
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Lash
 
  -3  
Sun 27 Nov, 2022 03:17 am
https://www.politico.eu/article/vladimir-putin-war-europe-ukraine-gas-inflation-reduction-act-ira-joe-biden-rift-west-eu-accuses-us-of-profiting-from-war/

(Notice the facts couched in heavy propaganda. How not to do journalism is a ‘free country’)

Europe accuses US of profiting from war
EU officials attack Joe Biden over sky-high gas prices, weapons sales and trade as Vladimir Putin’s war threatens to destroy Western unity.


(Putin has nothing to do with the US profiting on this war. It was Ukraine that paid Hunter Biden millions (just the money we know about) in the years-long run up to this war.)

Excerpt:

Top European officials are furious with Joe Biden’s administration and now accuse the Americans of making a fortune from the war, while EU countries suffer.

“The fact is, if you look at it soberly, the country that is most profiting from this war is the U.S. because they are selling more gas and at higher prices, and because they are selling more weapons,” one senior official told POLITICO.

The explosive comments — backed in public and private by officials, diplomats and ministers elsewhere — follow mounting anger in Europe over American subsidies that threaten to wreck European industry. The Kremlin is likely to welcome the poisoning of the atmosphere among Western allies.

“We are really at a historic juncture,” the senior EU official said, arguing that the double hit of trade disruption from U.S. subsidies and high energy prices risks turning public opinion against both the war effort and the transatlantic alliance. “America needs to realize that public opinion is shifting in many EU countries.”

Another top official, the EU’s chief diplomat Josep Borrell, called on Washington to respond to European concerns. “Americans — our friends — take decisions which have an economic impact on us,” he said in an interview with POLITICO.

The U.S. rejected Europe's complaints.
“The rise in gas prices in Europe is caused by Putin’s invasion of Ukraine and Putin's energy war against Europe, period," a spokesperson for Biden's National Security Council said. Exports of liquefied natural gas from the U.S. to Europe "increased dramatically and enabled Europe to diversify away from Russia," the NSC spokesperson said.

The biggest point of tension in recent weeks has been Biden’s green subsidies and taxes that Brussels says unfairly tilt trade away from the EU and threaten to destroy European industries. Despite formal objections from Europe, Washington has so far shown no sign of backing down.

At the same time, the disruption caused by Putin’s invasion of Ukraine is tipping European economies into recession, with inflation rocketing and a devastating squeeze on energy supplies threatening blackouts and rationing this winter.
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Much more at the link.

This is a historic piece of writing. It seems to be designed to try to blame Putin for Europe’s anger at the US. Wonder what the result will be.
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Lash
 
  -2  
Sun 27 Nov, 2022 03:37 am
Solidarity with the Chinese people in their struggle against authoritarianism

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/26/china/china-protests-xinjiang-fire-shanghai-intl-hnk/index.html

Protests erupt across China in unprecedented challenge to Xi Jinping’s zero-Covid policy

(Text at link)

✊🏼❤️
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izzythepush
 
  3  
Sun 27 Nov, 2022 04:44 am
@neptuneblue,
That's what Brandon does, he requests proff 9f what is already established common knowledge.

He wants you to waste your time finding, quotes, links, citations and articles he's never going to read.

It's called sealioning, and Brandon is the worst offender on A2K by far.
Real Music
 
  3  
Sun 27 Nov, 2022 05:24 am
@Lash,
Quote:
The facts are in now.

1. You stated that Fauci had recommended a nationwide shutdown.

2. You also stated that he contradicted himself by later saying he didn’t.

2. What news article are you referencing?

3. What video are you referencing?

4. The reason I am asking you these questions is to determine whether or not you are spreading disinformation.


Quote:
I realize it’s difficult to process new information that conflicts with the heavy dose of propaganda we were fed during the height of Covid, but thankfully, people began to resist the mindless drumbeat and ask questions.

1. It's not difficult for me to process new information.

2. I don't care if information is new or old.

3. The important thing is that the information is accurate.

4. You said to ask questions. So, I'm asking you questions.
hightor
 
  5  
Sun 27 Nov, 2022 05:58 am
@Brandon9000,
Brandon9000 wrote:

Could you post a link to Trump criticizing social distancing, wearing a mask, or taking a vaccine?


I think you may have misconstrued the statement. "The millions of people that listened to Trump" can simply refer to the millions of people who identify with Trump's MAGA campaign. It doesn't necessarily mean that they literally listened to Trump tell them to refuse social distancing, not to wear masks, or to avoid the vaccine. In this case when they listened to Trump he was telling states to open up, touting the use of disinfectants, and telling people "don't be afraid of Covid." Yes, he gets credit for signing the bills that authorized the development of the vaccines but after he saw how unpopular public health measures were with his base he backed off and started using the pandemic as a way to bash China, the CDC, and Democratic governors.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 27 Nov, 2022 06:08 am
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:

Lash wrote:

AG Jeff Landry
@AGJeffLandry
Nov 23
Wow! It was amazing to spend 7 hours with Dr. Fauci. The man who single-handedly wrecked the U.S. economy based upon "the science." Only to discover that he can't recall practically anything dealing with his Covid response!


1.09 million deaths are NOT due to Dr. Fauci. Blaming an ailing economy on a person instead of an infectious, deadly disease is wrong.


Trying to reason with Lash...is like trying to reason with a badger. I just will not work.

This Fauci bashing is absurd. But for worthless people...attacking people of substance has value. That is why they do it.
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hightor
 
  4  
Sun 27 Nov, 2022 06:33 am
@Lash,
Quote:
No, FAUCI is guilty of spreading disinformation.

Two points:

1. Fauci is being accused by his political opponents; he hasn't been found guilty of anything.

2. There's an important distinction between mis-information and dis-information. In the early days of the pandemic the CDC came out with some guidelines that were later seen to be unnecessary or mistaken as the real nature of transmission came to be better understood. This was classic misinformation – the unintentional spreading of false information believed to be true or not fully proven but believed to be helpful. You'll notice that as the real facts became known, Fauci and the CDC adjusted their messaging to reflect this knowledge. When an agent knowingly and purposely spreads false claims and statements to undermine public trust or prop up a particular political cause, that is considered disinformation. It's possible to mistakenly accept disinformation as legitimate and spread it unknowingly. It then becomes a form of misinformation, as it's believed to be true.
neptuneblue
 
  3  
Sun 27 Nov, 2022 06:48 am
@hightor,
Even then, I'm not buying the "Fauci Is Evil" campaign.

What I remember him saying is to wear a mask, wash your hands frequently, use social distancing if you MUST be in a close environment, and get the vaccine.

How is that mis- or dis-information?
I don't actually need a doctor to provide common sense to me.
hightor
 
  3  
Sun 27 Nov, 2022 07:09 am
@neptuneblue,
You're right, of course. Fauci's just a convenient lightning rod for idiots like Rand Paul and Ted Cruz who think they look smart confronting public health officials. It turned out that we didn't have to sterilize our shopping bags or wipe down our steering wheels with Lysol but only a total paranoid would think that those measures were encouraged by people who knew them to be unnecessary and intended some sort of deception.
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Lash
 
  -3  
Sun 27 Nov, 2022 07:17 am
@Real Music,
Real Music wrote:

Quote:
The facts are in now.

1. You stated that Fauci had recommended a nationwide shutdown.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/dr-fauci-says-recommended-nationwide-144411296.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEfS-it1caoNUKvObkOwlUJjwAuIPxy4xTMXibByHPAAQihqNClyGQDTP0_gj-w0-jx5nGyFitXnCzzL_4Ym-pCp0OvPfI-j6cXJ3nb4wkHqbyEBHZ56lE8PmcyOS8mj6xtk117BJ8jTAjbZFefbViH8eel5WNIlsw_-d6Lfm7xJ
Quote:

When you begin questioning the information fed to you by the news media and government, you’ll be a responsible citizen. I don’t mind giving evidence for what I say, but it’s the habit of everyone here to pretend the evidence is faulty in some way—every time—because you can’t countenance the truth.
Lash
 
  -1  
Sun 27 Nov, 2022 07:18 am
@hightor,
I reject these terms.

hightor
 
  3  
Sun 27 Nov, 2022 07:24 am
@Lash,
Quote:
I reject these terms.


Really? Why on earth would you deny yourself the verbal means to distinguish between the two types of untrue statements?

Quote:
UNESCO — the UN Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization — released a 128-page publication titled Journalism, Fake News & Disinformation in 2018. It was put together as a handbook for journalism education and training. The Foreword provided a sound summary of the dangers of fake news, juxtaposed against the importance of fact-based journalism. The publication’s authors differentiate between the terms ‘misinformation’ and ‘disinformation,’ wanting to make clear they are not the same, and that the delta between them comes down to intent. Misinformation is defined as misleading information, either created or disseminated without manipulative or malicious intent. The less-used term disinformation is defined as deliberate, often orchestrated attempts to “confuse or manipulate people through delivering dishonest information to them.’’ The UNESCO publication expounds that while both are problems for society, disinformation is more dangerous because it is intending to harm, and is “frequently organized, well resourced, and reinforced by automated technology.”
izzythepush
 
  3  
Sun 27 Nov, 2022 07:31 am
@Lash,
Never mind, I'm sure the rest of us will cope alright.

You sound like Oralloy.
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Sun 27 Nov, 2022 07:54 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
I reject these terms.
Some are not educated about the difference between the Latin prefix 'dis-' and the Germanic 'mis-'.

You're certainly not alone here.
izzythepush
 
  3  
Sun 27 Nov, 2022 08:13 am
@Walter Hinteler,
She is having an ongoing battle with dictionary definitions, which looks like it goes all the way back to Samuel Johnson.

C is for contrafibularity after all.
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Real Music
 
  2  
Sun 27 Nov, 2022 11:19 am
@Lash,
1. You stated that Fauci had recommended a nationwide shutdown.

2. You also stated that he contradicted himself by later saying he didn’t.

3. I never said that Fauci didn't recommend a nationwide shutdown.

4. (Everyone) is aware of Fauci's recommendation for a nationwide shutdown.

5. (Everyone) was always aware of Fauci's recommendation for a nationwide shutdown.

6. That was never in dispute.

7. Your (disinformation) is you stating that Fauci contradicted himself by later denying ever making that recommendation.

8. I've never read any news article of Fauci ever denying making that recommendation.

9. I've never seen any video of Fauci ever denying making that recommendation.

10. Once again, I am asking What news article are you referencing?

11. Once again, I am asking What video are you referencing?

12. The reason I am asking you these questions is to determine whether or not you are spreading disinformation.

13. You said to ask questions. So, I'm asking you questions.
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