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Rising fascism in the US

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 26 Jan, 2022 11:39 pm
>Tennessee school board bans Pulitzer prize-winning Holocaust novel, Maus< - 77 years ago, the Germans began the evacuation of Auschwitz and its subcamps. So there's no need to read about it, especially, if there are eight curse words and an illustration of a naked cartoon mouse.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Thu 27 Jan, 2022 06:47 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Thinking of the book suppression happening in Florida and elsewhere (in both schools and libraries) I'm wondering how long it will take before we see challenges to Fahrenheit 451, the Handmaid's Tale, Animal Farm and 1984 on the claim that a student or citizen was made to feel anxious and uncomfortable by those books' content.


And how about The Bible? That is a book that should make EVERYONE anxious and uncomfortable.
blatham
 
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Thu 27 Jan, 2022 08:57 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Tennessee school board bans Pulitzer prize-winning Holocaust novel, Maus< - 77 years ago, the Germans began the evacuation of Auschwitz and its subcamps. So there's no need to read about it, especially, if there are eight curse words and an illustration of a naked cartoon mouse.

What's happening to American culture and politics seems likely to become the most tragic story of my lifetime.
blatham
 
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Thu 27 Jan, 2022 08:58 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
And how about The Bible? That is a book that should make EVERYONE anxious and uncomfortable.

A similar thought has occurred to me as well, Frank.
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Lash
 
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Thu 27 Jan, 2022 09:00 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
Tennessee school board bans Pulitzer prize-winning Holocaust novel, Maus< - 77 years ago, the Germans began the evacuation of Auschwitz and its subcamps. So there's no need to read about it, especially, if there are eight curse words and an illustration of a naked cartoon mouse.

What's happening to American culture and politics seems likely to become the most tragic story of my lifetime.


Agreed. Something horrible has happened and it’s becoming more powerful.
hightor
 
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Thu 27 Jan, 2022 09:50 am
@blatham,
Quote:
What's happening to American culture and politics seems likely to become the most tragic story of my lifetime.

And we're dragging the rest of the world along with us, for good measure.
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 27 Jan, 2022 10:03 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
What's happening to American culture and politics seems likely to become the most tragic story of my lifetime.

And we're dragging the rest of the world along with us, for good measure.


The right may get its victory…they may actually win, rather than just lying in pretense of a win.

Hell, the German fascists did…when they put Hitler into office. And the slave holders won when the South broke away from the Union.

So…the Right may win.

 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Bundesarchiv_B_145_Bild-P054320%2C_Berlin%2C_Brandenburger_Tor_und_Pariser_Platz.jpg

 http://emergingcivilwar.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/burn.jpg

Of course the American Right can win!

 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Pyrrhus_MAN_Napoli_Inv6150_n03.jpg
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blatham
 
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Thu 27 Jan, 2022 07:24 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
Agreed. Something horrible has happened and it’s becoming more powerful.

We know what's happening. We know to a great extent the structures, institutions and persons who are directing and participating in this effort. We know the strategies that have been used. Most of this is in the public domain and has been detailed by many reporters, political writers and political scientists for years. We know that this knowledge/reporting has been subsumed under what Bannon and others like him refer to as "flooding the zone with ****".

We also know that mythic, delusional notions of American exceptionalism notwithstanding, American democracy can collapse.

What we don't know is what this collapse will look like.
hightor
 
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Fri 28 Jan, 2022 07:25 am
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hightor
 
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Fri 28 Jan, 2022 08:12 am
@blatham,
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We also know that mythic, delusional notions of American exceptionalism notwithstanding, American democracy can collapse.


I get the feeling that, whatever the combination of factors which has led to the global challenges to democracy we see today, in the USA our vaunted institutions have been unable to respond, primarily prevented by a system of government designed in a different era, for a different population – and we're too romantically wed to the "shining city on the hill" rhetoric to see just how rotten we've become.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 28 Jan, 2022 09:22 am
@hightor,
In 1929, one could not have imagined in Germany what would happen in 1933.
Then, at that time, people were agitating against the parties in the Weimar Republic, because they were of the opinion that the German people did not need these parties, but only one true representation of the people - in the form of a leader, in the form of a single strong party.
And right-wing protests were therefore justified by the threat situation.
And fear of immigration and foreigners was constantly stirred up.

The Nazis in the Weimar Republic grew up on the streets.
And verbal agitation turned into violent assaults.
All these elements of the Weimar Republic can certainly be seen again today.
But that does not mean that we are repeating Weimar. Rather, it means that we must prevent Weimar in the consciousness of Weimar.

Just saying.
blatham
 
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Fri 28 Jan, 2022 09:40 am
@hightor,
Indeed. Another fascinating aspect of this is that the strongest, most rigid and unyielding statements or formulations of this creed arise within the universe of American conservatism where questioning this creed is perceived as dangerous, unpatriotic and even evil.

The parallel here with the fervor, the black/white dichotomies and the rigidity of extremist religious creeds - not to mention highly authoritarian/totalitarian political systems - is not coincidental.
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blatham
 
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Fri 28 Jan, 2022 09:55 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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And right-wing protests were therefore justified by the threat situation.

Yes. That's the gimmick. And it's exactly why right wing voices are constantly creating and promoting panics: Sharia Law, gay marriage, war on christmas, caravans of immigrants, vaccines and mandates, black lives matter, George Soros, election fraud, antifa, critical race theory, etc etc etc.

Given the current panic regarding books in school and local libraries, it's an interesting thought experiment to imagine the furor that would erupt if one book that directly speaks to this - Orwell's 1984 - was heavily promoted by a Democratic president with funding allocated to ensure all libraries had multiple copies of it available for citizens and students.

Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 28 Jan, 2022 10:12 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:


In 1929, one could not have imagined in Germany what would happen in 1933.
Then, at that time, people were agitating against the parties in the Weimar Republic, because they were of the opinion that the German people did not need these parties, but only one true representation of the people - in the form of a leader, in the form of a single strong party.
And right-wing protests were therefore justified by the threat situation.
And fear of immigration and foreigners was constantly stirred up.

The Nazis in the Weimar Republic grew up on the streets.
And verbal agitation turned into violent assaults.
All these elements of the Weimar Republic can certainly be seen again today.
But that does not mean that we are repeating Weimar. Rather, it means that we must prevent Weimar in the consciousness of Weimar.

Just saying.


Thank you, Walter. You are right on the button here.
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coluber2001
 
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Fri 28 Jan, 2022 10:20 am
@blatham,
Fascists also welcome terrorist attacks or even protests by the opposition so the flames can be fanned.

When Hitler and the Nazi party were elected, they still were a minority. When the burning of the Reichstag occurred, the Communist Party was blamed. The Communists in the parliament were arrested and then the Nazis had the majority. Some people believe it was a false flag operation with the Nazis having everything to gain by setting fire to the Reichstag.

"When the terrorist attack comes remember that authoritarians exploit such events in order to consolidate power. The sudden disaster that requires the end of checks and balances, the dissolution of opposition parties, the suspension of freedom of expression, the right to a fair trial, and so on is the oldest trick in the Hitlerian book. Do not fall for it."
--Timothy Snyder
blatham
 
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Fri 28 Jan, 2022 10:58 am
@coluber2001,
Quote:
"When the terrorist attack comes remember that authoritarians exploit such events in order to consolidate power. The sudden disaster that requires the end of checks and balances, the dissolution of opposition parties, the suspension of freedom of expression, the right to a fair trial, and so on is the oldest trick in the Hitlerian book. Do not fall for it."
--Timothy Snyder

I like that very much.
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blatham
 
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Fri 28 Jan, 2022 11:02 am
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The right's book-banning campaign reaches a new level

t was last fall when local Republicans' efforts to ban books started to look like a national trend. A county in Virginia removed LGBTQIA fiction from school libraries. Around the same time, a Kansas school district started pulling several well-known novels from school libraries, including "The Handmaid's Tale" by Margaret Atwood and a Pulitzer Prize winning play from August Wilson.

It was against this backdrop that a Republican state legislator in Texas put together a list of 850 books he believed might make students feel uncomfortable — and then asked schools which of the titles are available to students.

Nora Pelizzari, a spokesperson for the National Coalition Against Censorship, soon after told The Washington Post, "What has taken us aback this year is the intensity with which school libraries are under attack.... [T]his feels like a more overarching attempt to purge schools of materials that people disagree with. It feels different than what we've seen in recent years."

The campaign clearly isn't fading. NBC News reported overnight:

Quote:
A Tennessee school board voted to remove "Maus," a Pulitzer Prize-winning graphic novel about the Holocaust, from the district's curriculum after officials objected to eight instances of profanity and an image of a nude woman. The McMinn County Board of Education's Jan. 10 vote to remove the novel, published by cartoonist Art Spiegelman about his Jewish parents' experiences in Nazi concentration camps, was 10-0, according to meeting minutes.


The fact that the unanimous vote to remove the celebrated work about the Holocaust came shortly before Holocaust Remembrance Day made matters just a bit worse.

It'd be easier to overlook stories like these if they were far and few between, but that's simply not the case. Axios reported last week, "School districts from Pennsylvania to Wyoming are bowing to pressure from some conservative groups to review — then purge from public school libraries — books about LGBTQ issues and people of color. "

The article quoted Deborah Caldwell-Stone, director of the American Library Association's Office for Intellectual Freedom, saying, "I've worked for this office for 20 years, and we've never had this volume of challenges come in such a short time."

NBC News reported a week earlier that dozens of Black authors are finding their works "are being pulled from school libraries under the pretext that they're teaching critical race theory.... Most of the books that are targeted for bans don't teach critical race theory but are written by and about people of color."

As we've discussed, these fights are not altogether new. Conservative activists have launched all kinds of related efforts for generations, targeting books they deemed morally and socially unworthy for one reason or another.

But there's evidence that the renewed book-banning campaign is intensifying, even as many on the right complain about "cancel culture.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 28 Jan, 2022 11:11 am
@blatham,
The National Socialists had nothing but deep contempt for modernist culture, which was perceived as decadent.
They rejected avant-garde styles in art across the board as "un-German" and a "typical Jewish product". The Nazi regime fought everything "foreign" in art and promoted a "moral idea of state and culture".

Since 1933, art and culture were no longer autonomous, but were in the service of the state, the people and the race.

By the way: with their "literary policy", the Nazis drove the book trade to complete ruin.
izzythepush
 
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Fri 28 Jan, 2022 11:16 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Jonathan Meades did a really good documentary on Nazi art and architecture. I saw it years ago, don't know how easy it is to get hold of now.
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Lash
 
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Fri 28 Jan, 2022 11:41 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
We also know that mythic, delusional notions of American exceptionalism notwithstanding, American democracy can collapse.


I get the feeling that, whatever the combination of factors which has led to the global challenges to democracy we see today, in the USA our vaunted institutions have been unable to respond, primarily prevented by a system of government designed in a different era, for a different population – and we're too romantically wed to the "shining city on the hill" rhetoric to see just how rotten we've become.

I agree —- those factors with the added horror of Citizens United and other intentional changes made by our lawmakers that opened wider the floodgates of corruption and unaccountability of those in power.

Also, the disgusting conservative movement we see now would have never gained this burgeoning power if the Democrats had served the people. We’d ALL be aligned loyally and viscerally with the Democratic Party.

And, we are in real trouble right now.
 

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