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Rising fascism in the US

 
 
blatham
 
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Fri 28 Jan, 2022 04:16 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Once again, thank you for that post.
hightor
 
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Sat 29 Jan, 2022 05:58 am
@blatham,
I just heard about the "Trucker's Convoy" on Day Six. Looks like my plan to defect to Canada may have to be suspended.
Lash
 
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Sat 29 Jan, 2022 10:31 am
Very long research project on the emergence of the term Critical Race Theory and how it’s being manipulated politically. Teacher-reporting hotlines are becoming a thing.

One of the candidates for State Superintendent of Schools is running on a plank of patent control of what happens in the classroom—featuring a call in hotline.

Didn’t the Nazis get rid of educators early in their program?

Anyway. I haven’t read the whole thing, but putting here to finish later—and because it belongs here in this American era.

https://idea.gseis.ucla.edu/publications/the-conflict-campaign/publications/files/the-conflict-campaign-report?fbclid=IwAR0cFAulpah1kCcysCO5-b5n9W02LytREgDaqqqX81SSFWifJxnm1ROWjlE
hightor
 
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Sat 29 Jan, 2022 10:35 am
@Lash,
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I agree —- those factors with the added horror of Citizens United and other intentional changes made by our lawmakers that opened wider the floodgates of corruption and unaccountability of those in power.

There are so many unraveled threads which tempt us to follow them back to their source, which we might imagine to be from some single tear in the fabric of liberal democracy. But I think that's wishful thinking, as if we could find it, isolate it, and repair it. I doubt there's a single cause and I suspect the now-tattered fabric looks more like something that's been dragged through a briar patch. And I hate to say this but, "it's complicated". Marx alerted us to the material causes of poverty and exploitation under capitalism but I think there's more to it. I know you're a fan of Hedges, and while I'm often turned off by his aura of Christianity, and tend to dispel appeals to "spiritual" values applied to politics, there are reasons to suspect some deformation of human psychology which underlies our inability to balance individual freedom with concern for our collective welfare.
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And, we are in real trouble right now.

Right. And existentially, not just politically. We can't deal with climate change, for instance. Political leaders who attempt to address the problem are forced to institute measures which are unpopular — higher gasoline prices, for example. It's relatively easy for populists to rally voters to oppose the measures, such as the "Yellow Vest" protests in France. And obviously the pandemic is another example. Individual "rights" are deemed more foundational than concern over public health. Right-wing populists can easily exploit this issue — the people who make you pay taxes are the same ones telling you to get a vaccination! Pretty suspicious, eh? And measures which might be applied by political leaders to overcome public frustration are easily subverted by any opposing party, leading to more frustration and cynicism. Censoring covid disinformation is labeled "fascism" while "patriots" have no qualms about book-banning, and probably book-burning, as well.

Historian, and "christian socialist", R.H.Tawney differentiated between the "functional society" and the "acquisitive society" and I think he was definitely onto something.
in 1920, Tawney wrote:

"So wealth becomes the foundation of public esteem, and the mass of men who labor, but who do not acquire wealth, are thought to be vulgar and meaningless and insignificant compared with the few who acquire wealth by good fortune, or by the skilful use of economic opportunities. They come to be regarded, not as the ends for which alone it is worth while to produce wealth at all, but as the instruments of its acquisition by a world that declines to be soiled by contact with what is thought to be the dull and sordid business of labor."


His short book on the subject is available for free online and, Lash, as an anglophile, you might enjoy reading it:

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/33741/33741-h/33741-h.htm

This quote is from his Religion and the Rise of Capitalism:

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"While the political significance of this development [science of statecraft] has often been described, the analogous changes in social and economic thought have received less attention. They were, however, momentous, and deserve consideration. The emergence of an objective and passionless economic science took place more slowly than the corresponding movement in the theory of the State, because the issues were less absorbing, and, while one marched in the high lights of the open stage, the other lurked on the back stairs and in the wings. It was not till a century after Machiavelli had emancipated the State from religion, that the doctrine of the self-contained department with laws of its own begins generally to be applied to the world of business relations, and even in the England of the early seventeenth century, to discuss questions of economic organization purely in terms of pecuniary profit and loss still wears an air of not quite reputable cynicism. When the sixteenth century opens not only political but social theory is saturated with doctrines drawn from the sphere of ethics and religion, and economic phenomena are expressed in terms of personal conduct, as naturally and inevitably as the nineteenth century expressed them in terms of mechanism."
izzythepush
 
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Sat 29 Jan, 2022 10:39 am
@hightor,
If you want to understand Socislism read The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists by Robert Tressell.
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blatham
 
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Sat 29 Jan, 2022 11:59 am
@hightor,
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I just heard about the "Trucker's Convoy" on Day Six. Looks like my plan to defect to Canada may have to be suspended.

This started as a protest by truck drivers regarding restrictions at the border (their livelihoods obviously affected). There are only some 100 big trucks involved, otherwise it's cars, pick up trucks, and some tractors. Such protests in Ottawa are not unusual but this one has mushroomed with the inclusion of the anti-vax crowd and far right anti-government or anti-Trudeau elements. QAnon is represented, for example.

An interesting element is the duplication of American right wing memes, eg lotsa national flags, folks carrying copies of the Canadian charter (essentially our constitution) and some speaking of a desire to see a January 6 event happening here.

It's a very small minority of Canadians involved or in support. Something like 80 - 90% of truckers here are vaccinated, for example. But it's big and noisy and makes for dramatic media coverage.

Aside from that, it looks like omicron has entered our household (grandkids) but we won't know for a few days. I'll keep you posted.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 29 Jan, 2022 12:01 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
Didn’t the Nazis get rid of educators early in their program?
No.

The National Socialist youth and education policy could not be implemented in one fell swoop in 1933, but gradually supplanted the educational system of the Weimar Republic:

1. phase of securing power (1933-1935): no deeper interventions in the school system apart from dismissals of politically undesirable educators, centralisation and Gleichschaltung of state and society, and formation of new youth organisations.
2. phase of war preparation (1936-1940): interventions in the school structure, new curricula, compulsory Hitler Youth and camp education, exclusion, reorganisation of teacher training. In December 1936, the 13th grade was abolished without replacement for 12th grade boys in order to have two officer grades in 1939.
3. phase of expansion of power and disintegration (1941-1945): wartime shortages, recruitment of pupils ("Flakhelfer", "Volkssturm") in the final phase, minimalisation of education in the occupied territories.

Lash
 
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Sat 29 Jan, 2022 12:51 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter, you don’t think getting rid of ‘politically undesirable educators’ is getting rid of educators? It was in phase 1.

That is early in the movement.

I think you just like saying no.

And, by the way—that’s happening right now in America.
Lash
 
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Sat 29 Jan, 2022 01:00 pm
@hightor,
I agree with the bulk of your post.

The only Christianity I’ve noticed in Hedges is taking responsibility to help people in trouble. He teaches in prison and speaks up for the oppressed. I’ve listened to him and read him pretty frequently—and being agnostic and averse to proselytizing—I feel pretty confident I’d have noticed untoward appeals to what people call Christianity these days. He’s railed against Osteen and the old geriatric millionaire preachers.

Thanks for book suggestion.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 29 Jan, 2022 01:31 pm
@Lash,
This happened not only to teachers but to all other civil servants ("Gleichschaltung des öffentlichen Dienstes").
Because it happened everywhere in the civil service, it was actually not something particularly outstanding.

Law for the Restoration of the Professional Civil Service

More generally: Gleichschaltung

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hightor
 
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Sat 29 Jan, 2022 01:50 pm
@Lash,
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The only Christianity I’ve noticed in Hedges is taking responsibility to help people in trouble.

It was over a decade ago; he's a minister, so it's not that surprising. I think he defensively mischaracterizes atheism when he equates it with religious fundamentalism.I still think he has worthwhile ideas.
izzythepush
 
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Sat 29 Jan, 2022 02:01 pm
@hightor,
Some atheists are pretty fundamentalist, they may not be a problem in religious America, but they're a complete pain in the arse over here.
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edgarblythe
 
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Sat 29 Jan, 2022 02:14 pm
Atheists are just humans. Some are salt of the earth, some are skunks. Like anybody else.
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Lash
 
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Sat 29 Jan, 2022 02:56 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

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The only Christianity I’ve noticed in Hedges is taking responsibility to help people in trouble.

It was over a decade ago; he's a minister, so it's not that surprising. I think he defensively mischaracterizes atheism when he equates it with religious fundamentalism.I still think he has worthwhile ideas.


I sort of agree with his characterization. Fundamentalism and atheism tout a knowledge in or against the existence of God.

Agnosticism admits “I don’t know” and further, for some, “I don’t care.”
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Lash
 
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Sat 29 Jan, 2022 03:20 pm
https://www.facinghistory.org/holocaust-and-human-behavior/chapter-5/controlling-universities

Nazis and education, etc
Lash
 
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Sat 29 Jan, 2022 03:42 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

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The only Christianity I’ve noticed in Hedges is taking responsibility to help people in trouble.

It was over a decade ago; he's a minister, so it's not that surprising. I think he defensively mischaracterizes atheism when he equates it with religious fundamentalism.I still think he has worthwhile ideas.

From Hightor’s link about Hedges, lest an onlooker thinks Hedges is a standard ‘Christian’:

Excerpt—
Although I come out of a religious tradition -- I grew up in the church, my father was a Presbyterian minister, I graduated from seminary -- I've spent my life as a foreign correspondent, mostly for the New York Times, and I have a pretty hardheaded view of the world. I certainly understand that there is nothing intrinsically moral about being a believer or a nonbeliever, that many people of great moral probity and courage define themselves outside of religious structures, do not engage in religious ritual or use religious language, in the same way that many people who advocate intolerance, bigotry and even violence cloak themselves in the garb of religion and oftentimes have prominent positions within religious institutions. Unlike the religious fundamentalists or the New Atheists, I'm not willing to draw these kind of clean, institutional lines.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 30 Jan, 2022 12:43 am
@Lash,
After Hitler amassed so much power in 1933, the Nazis set about transforming society according to their ideas.
This process is called Gleichschaltung. Jewish and politically disliked civil servants are dismissed from their jobs. Trade unions are dissolved and the German Labour Front is founded instead. In this way, the Nazis prevent workers from organising themselves as opponents of the regime.
Lash
 
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Sun 30 Jan, 2022 01:10 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

After Hitler amassed so much power in 1933, the Nazis set about transforming society according to their ideas.
This process is called Gleichschaltung. Jewish and politically disliked civil servants are dismissed from their jobs. Trade unions are dissolved and the German Labour Front is founded instead. In this way, the Nazis prevent workers from organising themselves as opponents of the regime.

Yes, I know. This included educators. First phase, as you’ve confirmed.
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hightor
 
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Sun 30 Jan, 2022 05:17 am
@Lash,
(Thanks for that passage. I don't wish to derail this thread – I heard him interviewed back then and I was disappointed that, with all the real world problems and with his ability to clearly identify them, he was wasting his time in a cultural sideshow sideshow. If he'd called his book, "My Argument with Hitchins, Dawkins, and Harris" and left it there I'd probably have forgotten it by now. There's really nothing intrinsic to non-belief either.)
Lash
 
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Sun 30 Jan, 2022 05:34 am
@hightor,
No worries.
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