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Do the Palestinians have the power to stop the conflict and make peace? Yes, they are the only ones with that power.

Bullsh*t. The Israelis have done everything they can to turn palestine into a little hell. I'm not surprised that the palestinians resort to terrorism - every year the vise gets turned a little bit tighter on them. BOTH sides will have to work to end the conflict if either wants peace, and that is going to mean concessions by Israel.

Do you acually think you cn seperate them.

I can't help but notice that the American liberals in most instances have something in common with the Europeans. They are pro palestinian and anti-Israeli. It almost makes me want to vote for Bush.

Who lived in it in 1850? Who was its king in 1800?

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Who lived in it in 1850? Who was its king in 1800?

In 1800, I believe it was ruled by Egypt. Later they were ruled by the the Turks and the Brits. But it doesn't matter, the land was occupied for a thousand years by the Arab people you so despise.

Although this is a digression, but than again the entire discussion has been a digression. Why is it that Israel has citizens who are Moslem when Jews who have lived in the Arab nations for thousands of years were literally thrown out or left in fear of their lives with nothing but the cloths on their backs? Why is it that Jews are not allowed in Arab countries? Where the hell is the outcry of apartheid. Need I really ask.

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As much as I dislike siding with Swolf he is correct about the history of the land called Palestine. In fact the name Palestinian was originally applied to Jews in what is now Israel and the West bank. The Jews turned a dusty swamp ridden sparsely populated land int a veritable garden. And yes I have been their and seen it. That caused the "New Palestinians "to flood in.

Although this is a digression, but than again the entire discussion has been a digression. Why is it that Israel has citizens who are Moslem when Jews who have lived in the Arab nations for thousands of years were literally thrown out or left in fear of their lives with nothing but the cloths on their backs? Why is it that Jews are not allowed in Arab countries? Where the hell is the outcry of apartheid. Need I really ask.

Au, swolf and you have a very biased view of history that does not hold up in light of the facts.

Jews were well treated in Muslim countries until the 1940's. Through much of history, their treatment was considerably better in Moslem countries than the Christian ones. There is evidence that the much of the exodus of Jews to Palestine from Arab countries was precipitated by Israel, not by the Muslim host countries.

Furthermore, the fact is that in 1850 Palestine was populated. Many of what you are calling "New Palestinians" are the descendants of "Old Palestinians".

One source (which is clearly biased but I can't find an unbiassed one right now) estimates there were 500,000 Arabs (of which 400,000 were Muslims and the rest Christian) living in Palestine with 25,000 Jews. If you have a credible source with better numbers, I would be interested in seeing them.

Don't you think the descendants of these Arabs who clearly have a tie to the land and villages where they lived for hundreds of years have a claim?

Now the point is: how is the current situation for Jews in the Arab world? Well, it is known that especially Morocco and Tunisia still have a considerable "large" Jewish population - approximately 5,500 and 2,000 people. For what I know, their position is relatively good. However, notice that anti-Semitism in the Arab media is still common. It's not only anti-Zionist / anti-Israel feelings being expressed here. Nevertheless, a lot of Arabs still seem to be proud of their countries's Jewish histories - I noticed that in my days on arabia.com.

That, most muslims view as intolerable.

... the holocaust was brought about because of Jews not being able to get INTO any other country on the face of the Earth.

Almost immediately the Nazi government set up an Office of Emigration in Vienna. Adolph Eichmann, the Jewish expert in the SD, was placed in command of the center. There were more than 180,000 Jews in Austria in 1938. Eichmann began deporting Jews as efficiently as possible and by September of 1939, there were only about 60,000 remaining in Austria. But there were still hundreds of thousands of Jews in Germany and in Austria. The Emigration Center encountered serious difficulties finding countries around the world to open their doors to Jews. However, there was enough interest to cause President Roosevelt to call a meeting of some 32 nations to discuss the problem. They convened at Evian, France on July 6, 1938.
By 1938, the world outside Germany should have known something of Hitler's sentiments and intentions toward the Jews. As early as 1935, the Nazis had passed the infamous Nuremberg Laws regarding racial purity and, in subsequent statutes, defined the Jews as non-citizens. In the three months prior to the conference at Evian, several specific statutes were passed which were clearly intended to deprive Jews of their economic livelihood and to remove them from a competitive position in the German economy. Despite these widely known facts, the conference closed on July 15 without deciding on any policy for assisting Jewish deportees.
In fact, the rest of the world turned a totally deaf ear to the problem. The United States admitted about 100,000 prior to 1939 (during the years from 1933 to 1943, there were 400,000 unfilled slots in the U.S. quota system which had been established by the Johnson-Reed Act of 1924; however, Germany's quota was filled and the quotas were non-transferable!) England accepted 80,000, Holland, 22,000, Belgium, about 13,000, Switzerland, 9,000, Argentina, 20,000, other Latin American countries, about 20,000. British-controlled Palestine only admitted about 70,000 prior to 1941. These numbers are pitifully small in contrast to the fate, which Europe's 11 million Jews faced in 1933.