Israeli firm bids on European wall to keep immigrants out...

Yes it does seem to be keeping the bad guys away from the innocents.

Yes it does seem to be keeping the bad guys away from the innocents.

The innocents just want to be able to get to their fields and jobs. The bad guys keep building new houses on the innocents side of the wall anyway.

As far as getting to their jobs, there should be no jobs for them in Israel. Let Arafat give them jobs.

"We're people in a prison," said Abed Hafiz Odeh, 58, a farmer who lives in Al-Daba, a Palestinian village of about 200 residents south of Qalqilyah that has been caught in a no man's land. Al-Daba is close to the Jewish settlement of Alfe Menashe, and when the settlement was fenced off from the rest of the West Bank, so was Al-Daba. Already prohibited from crossing into Israel, Odeh and the other residents of Al-Daba now cannot enter the West Bank, either.

Fifty yards of barbed wire, ditches, roads and fences separate Odeh and his brother from their 45 acres of olive trees and wells in the West Bank. Their children can no longer attend school in the Palestinian town of Ras Atiya because it, too, is on the other side of the fence. And so far, human rights activists say, there is no provision for allowing the Palestinian Authority to cross the fence to deliver basic services.

Israeli officials said 41 agricultural gates have been installed in the 90 miles of completed fencing to allow Palestinian farmers access to their lands if they have the necessary permits to cross. The fence will also have 10 passages exclusively for auto and foot traffic and five for goods, Israeli officials said.

But Palestinians say that as long as Israel controls the gates, the fence will not work. In Jayyus -- a town of 2,800 that was cut off from 2,150 acres, or two-thirds of its land -- Israeli soldiers recently refused to open a gate for 10 straight days, according to Abdullatif Khaled, a regional coordinator for Pengon's Apartheid Wall Campaign.

"There's a gate, and the key to the gate is in Israel's pocket," said Maarouf Zahran, the mayor of Qalqilyah.

A major Palestinian city with 42,000 people, Qalqilyah is the hub for 32 nearby villages with 90,000 people who rely on the city for health and education services. But it has been completely surrounded by 8.7 miles of fences and high walls with guard towers, with one main entrance for people and goods and two agricultural gates. Only 13 permits have been issued for farmers to visit the 938 acres of land and 19 wells situated outside the fence, according to Zahran.

McGentrix wrote:

Yes it does seem to be keeping the bad guys away from the innocents.

So there is peace in Israel and the occupied territories then?

FreeDuck wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

Yes it does seem to be keeping the bad guys away from the innocents.

So there is peace in Israel and the occupied territories then?

More than there was. That's all anybody was asking for.

McGentrix wrote:

Yes it does seem to be keeping the bad guys away from the innocents.

I don't think that is the case.

The innocents just want to be able to get to their fields and jobs. The bad guys keep building new houses on the innocents side of the wall anyway.

That's the first time I've heard anyone advocate genocide as a solution to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

That's the first time I've heard anyone advocate genocide as a solution to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

Given the same level of provocation, Americans would have exterminated the "palestinians" three or four years ago.